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Hello,

I recently noticed that the terms of service and code of conduct for the BioWare Social site have been updated, and I have a few outstanding questions about a few of these.  Yes, there is an elephant in the room regarding the motivation behind these changes but I won't bother with that because it's not really relevant.  And no, before I go on, this thread is not intended as trolling, or a personal jab at BioWare staff or volunteers, or the community - I am completely serious in asking about this.

Specifically,

While we continue to value all of our customers and fans, participation in the BSN and engaging with staff and like-minded community members is - to be abundantly clear - a privilege, and not a right. Members may continue to discuss and critique our games and products in a civil manner, but any form of discussion targeted at an individual will not be tolerated. New and existing members who cannot adhere to the code of conduct, or maintain a civil demeanor at all times, are encouraged  instead to contact customer support for any game related issues they may have.

Aside from the fact that this seems to be poorly worded (I assume you mean any negative discussion targeted towards an individual), these terms are extremely vague.  Joking banter?  Sarcastic quips?  Outright insults?  Are certain insults more or less appropriate than other ones?  The rules themselves state the following:

Content that is insulting to anyone based on gender, lifestyle,
religion, ethic group, race etc.
is unacceptable and will be deleted
without warning. Anyone posting a personal attack on staff, moderators
or other Community members will, at the sole discretion of staff or
moderators, be banned
from the BioWare Social Network without notice and
is no longer welcomed.

So, basically any hate speech is outlawed.  Makes sense to me, but then, that seems pretty standard for just about any forum community.  But what's this about personal attacks?  What qualifies as a personal attack, exactly?  Is it just bigotry, or is there more to it?  What if I call David Hasselhoff an idiot, and it turns out he has an account here after all?  If a staff member feels threatened even though there was no intent at harm and the user apologizes, is that still grounds for a ban?  What about if a staff member provokes an attack?  How about statements against BioWare or EA regarding their business practices and/or game content?

The same goes for terms like "civil demeanor" - what does that mean, exactly?  Is casual swearing civil?  What about making offensive, non-personal, light-hearted jokes at the expense of certain groups?  Not adhering to a particular dominant socio-political ideology held by the staff or community at large, and expressing one's self in accordance with it?

I realize a lot of this is interpreted contextually and comes at the discretion of moderators, but I think there need to be more clear terms to follow, more nuance to the rules, more leeway, etc.  Not that I wish to play the "draconian!" card, but "we can ban you for any reason whenever we want without warning or discussion" is not exactly encouraging from an end user perspective, nor is it friendly.

I don't post here often, and I fully admit sometimes I'm a bit crass and blunt about things, but these new terms make me wonder if I could even express my opinion here, without sugar-coating, and not end up banned.  I've moderated and administrated forums for years, and the job is as much about setting positive examples for other users as it is about dealing with issues.  If users have no idea what constitutes a bannable offense, or what sorts of opinions they are allowed to express (and how) then I don't see how these rules are effective as they are.

In any case, could we please get a solid, concrete understanding of what qualifies as  "personal attack", what qualifies as a "civil demeanor", and so forth?  There needs to be a more definite set of guidelines for posting and more subtlety in enforcing the rules before the banhammer comes down, and more transparency and discussion with users as to their motives and reasons for their behaviour.

Modifié par sea-, 02 mars 2012 - 02:35 .


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mrmike_1949

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it is apparently what ever a mod happens to feel like that particular day - same as it always has been - since admins never seem to do anything about "over eager" mods

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I'd just like to bump this and ask if a staff member could please post a reply.

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Oh for crying out loud. What next? A clear, transparent and independent arbitration procedure with the right to trial by your peers? An independent judiciary? A BioWare Bill of Rights? Jurisprudence in banning and thread closure? Perhaps UN or OSCE monitors?

Just think of the terms as the Penal Code of the People's Republic of North Korea. Don't do, say, or think anything you wouldn't do, say or think in North Korea and you'll be just fine.

Modifié par Ostagar2011, 02 mars 2012 - 05:40 .


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I agree with the OP, if I believe BioWare/Mod is being hypocrite on X matter, and do a logical post pointing out why, will I just be banned for calling people hypocrite, and screw any sensible points I made?

It will just lead to people not posting any negative thing with fear of being banned. BSN will stop being the place where we go to offer feedback and become the place BioWare goes to be praised.

EDIT: I only hypoteticaly called BioWare and Mods hypocrite, BTW. Please don't ban me. :mellow:

Modifié par felipepepe, 02 mars 2012 - 06:09 .


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Still waiting on a reply, thanks.

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I find it a little hilarious that if I ask for clarification about the site rules, I get no replies, and yet were I to insult a staff member here, I'd be insta-banned. Thanks for your help, guys, I appreciate it.

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just for laughs, try sending a p.m. to an admin; keep us posted