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[Sakhalin]

RunAwayItzJack wrote...

Ask the Matriarch in Eternity. Bet you won't laugh the blue off her ass now.

I wonder if she just cleaned the bar..

[G3rman]

The entire point of destroying the relays is to get off of reaper tech, develop your own technology and supposedly hope it doesn't lead to singularity.

Rebuilding ME relays would be a bad idea.

[Big I]

G3rman wrote...
The entire point of destroying the relays is to get off of reaper tech, develop your own technology and supposedly hope it doesn't lead to singularity.

Rebuilding ME relays would be a bad idea.

Rebuilding the relays is the only humane thing to do. The relays being gone breaks apart families and crashes the economies of hundreds of worlds. It leaves hundreds more open to the threat of lawlessness and war. Without the relays everyone in the galaxy suffers.

[G3rman]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

G3rman wrote...
The entire point of destroying the relays is to get off of reaper tech, develop your own technology and supposedly hope it doesn't lead to singularity.

Rebuilding ME relays would be a bad idea.

Rebuilding the relays is the only humane thing to do. The relays being gone breaks apart families and crashes the economies of hundreds of worlds. It leaves hundreds more open to the threat of lawlessness and war. Without the relays everyone in the galaxy suffers.

That isn't the solution at all, it totally defeats the purpose of the ending of ME3 if you did that.  You'd literally be making Shepard's death for nothing.

Races of the galaxy are supposed to develop their own technology equivalent or better than Mass Relays and the rest of reaper tech.  

If you recreate the relays its only a matter of time before other pieces of reaper tech are reused and then the galaxy is back to where it started except this time they will be the ones dying from AI singularity.

[antagonist99]

I'll just play the game to find out what that singularity the reapers fear entails. Chances are I'm going to set it off. Can't really say I'm opposed to cybernetic organisms. "Living tissue under metal endoskeleton."

Especially when everybody ends up as one.

Modifié par antagonist99, 02 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[Big I]

G3rman wrote...
That isn't the solution at all, it totally defeats the purpose of the ending of ME3 if you did that.  You'd literally be making Shepard's death for nothing.

Races of the galaxy are supposed to develop their own technology equivalent or better than Mass Relays and the rest of reaper tech.  

If you recreate the relays its only a matter of time before other pieces of reaper tech are reused and then the galaxy is back to where it started except this time they will be the ones dying from AI singularity.

Reaper technology is not bad technology, it's just technology. Technology has no inherent ethical bias, only it's use does. If I use Reaper technology to open travel between worlds, that's good. If I use it to indoctrinate people, that's bad. The relays provide nothing but benefits to the galaxy.


As for the Singularity, there's no destiny that forces AIs to turn on people. For instance if the geth and quarians make peace the geth help the quarians to readjust to Rannoch.

[G3rman]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

G3rman wrote...
That isn't the solution at all, it totally defeats the purpose of the ending of ME3 if you did that.  You'd literally be making Shepard's death for nothing.

Races of the galaxy are supposed to develop their own technology equivalent or better than Mass Relays and the rest of reaper tech.  

If you recreate the relays its only a matter of time before other pieces of reaper tech are reused and then the galaxy is back to where it started except this time they will be the ones dying from AI singularity.

Reaper technology is not bad technology, it's just technology. Technology has no inherent ethical bias, only it's use does. If I use Reaper technology to open travel between worlds, that's good. If I use it to indoctrinate people, that's bad. The relays provide nothing but benefits to the galaxy.


As for the Singularity, there's no destiny that forces AIs to turn on people. For instance if the geth and quarians make peace the geth help the quarians to readjust to Rannoch.

Clearly you have no understanding of the script nor the reason BioWare has set up the reapers purpose.  They are pushing the idea of forced singularity on Reaper tech which is the reason why there is the destroy ending.

The geth could have gone either way in the AI rebellion cycle, Legion sacrificing himself for their individuality was what saved them.

[luzburg]

delijoe wrote...

 With ME3 unequivocally ending with the destruction of the mass relays and thus the end of galactic civilization as we know it, do you think with the knowledge the surviving races obtained over the years concerning the reaper tech, how long if ever will it be before mass relays are rebuilt?

Personally I think the Asari and possibly the humans could do it in 1000 years or so, but that would depend on what the state of the homeworlds are post reapers.

yea. remeber the prothy dlc dude he is from race other than the reapers that grasped mass relay tecnolegy.
the enings are bitter but the ending that is described as good wher the soldiers fighing the reapers are not killed when the cusible fires. 

so i dont think rebuilding the relay network takes faster than you think maybe just the world normany landed isnt connected in the end.  and if you disabled the reapers there is some data minin to be done there  maybe even make a non ai controled reaper ship

Modifié par luzburg, 02 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[marstor05]

prepare for mASS effect 4 - Rebuild.

[Pobatti]

Well, I don't think we'll see the galaxy suddenly repopulated with mass relays within an appropriate time-frame - however the thought occurred to me: do all the relays get destroyed, or just the ones that have been activated? There are a large number of primary relays that were never activated since their partner relay was never charted. These could be used to either reverse-engineer new relays within a shorter space of time, or otherwise re-located and modified to keep distant clusters in contact with each other.

Still - why even go there?

Why should we even stay in the Milky Way?

If the Normandy is indeed marooned, it may very well have been flung far outside the Milky Way, across dark space (now all the Reapers are gone) and is now residing on a planet within another nearby galaxy. This galaxy may well contain species that have access to similar mass-relay tech, and could eventually enable the crew of the Normandy to return home (if their technology is advanced enough).

This would broker relations between the two galaxies, and the location of the Normandy's crash would remain special since it would ever remain both the final resting place of the ship that rid the Milky Way (and indeed other galaxies) of the Reaper threat, but also the spot where first contact was made between two distant galaxies... the closest equivalent to first contact with the Turians that proved humanity was no longer alone in the galaxy, but on a galactic scale. That would eventually lead to the eventual colonisation of that world.

Modifié par Pobatti, 02 mars 2012 - 09:12 .

[Big I]

G3rman wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...
Reaper technology is not bad technology, it's just technology. Technology has no inherent ethical bias, only it's use does. If I use Reaper technology to open travel between worlds, that's good. If I use it to indoctrinate people, that's bad. The relays provide nothing but benefits to the galaxy.


As for the Singularity, there's no destiny that forces AIs to turn on people. For instance if the geth and quarians make peace the geth help the quarians to readjust to Rannoch.

Clearly you have no understanding of the script nor the reason BioWare has set up the reapers purpose.  They are pushing the idea of forced singularity on Reaper tech which is the reason why there is the destroy ending.

The geth could have gone either way in the AI rebellion cycle, Legion sacrificing himself for their individuality was what saved them.

The fact that peaceful coexistence between a race of robots and their creators is even possible completely invalidates the idea that an AI Singularity initiated genocide is a foregone conclusion.


And it doesn't matter what message, if any, Bioware is pushing with the script if that message lacks credibility. If Bioware wrote Shepard shooting a puppy and then had Shepard say all puppies are evil by nature, it would still be possible to invalidate that argument.

[Big I]

Pobatti wrote...
Why should we even stay in the Milky Way?

I don't see what you get through opening the story to another galaxy that you don't get in this one. The codex tells us that less than 1% of the galaxy had been explored with the rest of it behind inactive relays. There's plenty of room for stories to be set in right here.

[G3rman]

Let's stick to the Milky Way..the entire point of ME has been the focus of our galaxy. There is no reason other galaxies developed the SAME EXACT way ours did.

[Pobatti]

The Relays we have are Reaper technology. Nobody knows exactly how Reaper technology works except the Protheans who have figured out a small amount. Because they share the same tech, they have the same basic Achilles' Heel, so when the Protheans found out an inherant weakness with the relays, there was always a small chance the Reapers would also share that trait.

Essentially, the only difference between a mass relay and a Reaper is a Reaper's own sentience. This can be likened to a Geth creating a weapon or tool using it's own tech (which they are capable of) for their own purposes.

Whatever Shepard does at the end of Mass Effect 3 appears to have the affect similar to an EMP. The only difference is the science on how it actually works and how the effect travels and spreads throughout the Milky Way. This means that there was always going to be a problem or risk of disrupting or destroying the relay network and even the Citadel itself with whatever 'anti Reaper' method or weapon was employed.

[wicked_being]

RunAwayItzJack wrote...

Ask the Matriarch in Eternity. Bet you won't laugh the blue off her ass now.

I would love to see a scene of her telling the other asari matriarchs "I told you so."

[Pobatti]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Pobatti wrote...
Why should we even stay in the Milky Way?

I don't see what you get through opening the story to another galaxy that you don't get in this one. The codex tells us that less than 1% of the galaxy had been explored with the rest of it behind inactive relays. There's plenty of room for stories to be set in right here.

There's always plenty of room. Figuratively speaking, you could continue to make Mass Effect games until the end of time using just the same 1% of charted space and there would always be new stories to be told, descoveries to be made and everything else that comes with it. Most of the planets we've already 'seen' could never even be landed on.

Any further exploration has a real flaw compared to introducing a new galaxy - if we assume that it will take many generations to regain the ability to travel around the galaxy as freely as we already have, even then the process of charting new species and planets is a slow one. Who knows how long it will be before contact with another species occurs? Due to the Citadel conventions, no race has actively sought out contact with new ones for a long time since the new race could turn out to be hostile.

First contact scenarios have a tradition of being accidental. And you don't get more accidental that suddenly finding one of your crafts flung into another galaxy where a local friendly species is willing to broker friendship between the two distant galaxys. This would allow Mass Effect to gain a massive influx of new and fresh species, while the technology may exist in the other galaxy to replace the destroyed relay network in the Milky Way, and allow 'Mass Effect' as a franchise to get back on it's feet much quicker.

And last but not least, it gives a seemingly forced piece of depressing drama the potential to be surprisingly positive.

[G3rman]

I'll just say thank god you aren't a writer for BW or else it would only get worse.

[Pobatti]

G3rman wrote...

Let's stick to the Milky Way..the entire point of ME has been the focus of our galaxy. There is no reason other galaxies developed the SAME EXACT way ours did.

Of course they wouldn't have developed the same exact way. But I wouldn't be surprised if they developed surprisingly close to how the Milky Way did. For starters, we don't even know if the Reapers ever attacked other galaxies, so their technological level could be much higher than ours simply because they don't need to start from scratch every 50,000 years or make up for lost time by using ancient technology that nobody understands.

Secondly, you could say the same thing about anything. Turians, Quarians, Salarians, Asari, Humans... all totally different, evolving in seperate corners of the Milky Way, not having contact with each other until they each discovered their closest mass relay that led them to the Citadel - yet they all turned out to be surprisingly similar. They're different... but the same too - and that's always been an important aspect of Mass Effect.

[fosokles]

if the technology is acquired, i'd it would be possible, but still, the process would take tens of thousands of years just to get the system back to its original state

[Pobatti]

fosokles wrote...

if the technology is acquired, i'd it would be possible, but still, the process would take tens of thousands of years just to get the system back to its original state

That's my exact point

If we stay within the Milky Way, just because we feel we must, we open ourselves to either:

• Future games with limited or no travel, exploration or discovery
• Leap forward to the point where the Milky Way no longer resembles itself

Who wants to play a Mass Effect that's so far into the future that none of the races we know and love still exist in the form they do currently? Many of them may have evolved, others might have had wars or other disasters befall them, others may have just simply become extinct.

I'm grasping at straws here for a way to bring the galaxy back to a semblance of normal in as short a period as possible, preferably throwing in a link to the original trilogy and the Normandy so as to make that ending a bit easier to justify.

[Candidate 88766]

Go for synthesis in the ending.

Everyone is more intelligent and can live longer, and you may even have the Geth and peaceful Reapers as well, so technological advancement will come much faster than in the other endings. Given that the Reapers and Geth don't age, the vast expanses of space between clusters are meaningless to them. And given the slightly synthetic nature of organics now, when Geth and Reapers arrive in their systems to create some new Relay system, they will be understood rather than feared. It will take many, many decades, if not centuries, but eventually a new galactic society will rise out of the dust.

Thats how I'm imagining the future after the synthesis ending, and thats what I'm sticking too.

[ncknck]

sezneg wrote...

The relays won't be rebuilt. You would need to actually GET to where the main relays are placed to rebuild the network, and that would take hundreds of years per trip.

what? no. Thats too humancentric.  Others will simultaneously rebuild their mass relays. I would wish for a new beginning, but reality is that the complete network will be back up in like 100 years.

[MB957]

Maybe the grey warden steps through an aluvian, and sheps mech dog can re tool it for galactic travel!

Modifié par MB957, 02 mars 2012 - 02:20 .

[car man]

here is the ending where u destroy the relays







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