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[Ghrelt]

Anyone else think that the kind of animosity shown by Morrigan and Alistair towards each other could only come from an intense, denied mutual attraction?  Or have I been overexposed to Hollywood-style contrived plot devices?

[Valmy]

Hmmmm...how much of the game have you played?

Modifié par Valmy, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:24 .

[Count Viceroy]

Hah, it's pretty one sided. Even if the animations don't do it justice.

[Ghrelt]

I have played the game from beginning to end and about three quarters through, twice more.

[PuffyTail]

I didn't really sense that, personally. Sometimes guys and girls bicker because they genuinely can't stand one another, not because they secretly want to bone each other.  Hollywood *does* tend to rely on that sort of trope pretty heavily, but it usually doesn't do much for me (as I tend to blame lazy/inept writing for an inability to write an interesting, real relationship and relying on "tension" instead).

Modifié par PuffyTail, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:30 .

[Ghrelt]

I'm not saying that either of them is aware of it. I'm just saying it's there.

[FlintlockJazz]

Considering that some people apparently reckon they are half brother and sister, then yes they could have some sort of underlying sexual tension if Bioware are going for the whole 'King Arthur and Morgan Le Fay' angle (notice the similarity in name and purpose of Morgan and Morrigan?).

[jeckaldied]

All I ever felt from them was that Alistair had genuine dislike for Morrigan, and Morrigan just enjoys mocking anyone she can, nothing overtly sexual about it from Alistair, and the standard secual affair from Morrigan.

[DiablosShadows]

they pretty much just hate each other maybe cuz one is a templar and other a mage and u saw how templars and mages treated each other at the tower

[Count Viceroy]

No, they hate each other because they are opposites. Alistair is a nice naieve guy where as Morrigan is a cold selfish ****.

[FlintlockJazz]

DiablosShadows wrote...

they pretty much just hate each other maybe cuz one is a templar and other a mage and u saw how templars and mages treated each other at the tower

They treated each other to pillow fights?

Actually, that would be awesome!  You enter the tower to find the templars and mages hitting each other with pillows while wearing pyjamas!

[Herr Uhl]

Morrigan is not a cold selfish ****, she is raised by Flemeth and has extremely bad people skills.



Felt sad when she left.



But I remember one of the party members saying that they should sleep together and just get it over with.

[Count Viceroy]

Pillows with plate gloves in them. Or better yet, Soap.



Full metal jacket ftw. Such a gruesome scene for a 10 year old, let me tell you.

[Count Viceroy]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Morrigan is not a cold selfish ****, she is raised by Flemeth and has extremely bad people skills.

Oh, she wants to sacrifice the elven slaves in return for blood magic enhancements for one, thats pretty cold. She wants to let the demon possess the girl in honoleath, just to give a few examples. And in the end, she shows her true colors, all her time spent with you was to further her own goals. Which qualifies for the selffish bit. 

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:38 .

[jeckaldied]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Morrigan is not a cold selfish ****, she is raised by Flemeth and has extremely bad people skills.

Felt sad when she left.

But I remember one of the party members saying that they should sleep together and just get it over with.

After all that, and going through her romance, forming emotional bonds with al lthese people, and then abandoning them for her ritual and her doubtfully going to be anything more than an average child god child for no real reason other than she can do what she wants with the baby, despite Flemeth being dead and their being no reason except  her own whims to do it, I wouldn't call her 'cold' but a 'selfish ****' yeah, I would go with that.

[Herr Uhl]

Depends on how you play it.

[Revik]

I don't think this is the case.

Firstly Alistair has templar training. He's been trained to hunt down people like Morrigan. This is already a source of tension. Morrigan also hates the Chantry which is Alistairs faith and religion. I think this alone is enough reason for both to be at odds.

IMO, to think that there is some sexual tension between the two is reading into it much deeper than it already is. The only thing perhaps you could bring up is that Morrigan is a free spirit whereas Alistair has been basically chained down his whole life. Alistair deep down may have wished to have lived a more free life but in actuality someone like him needed the structure and discipline.

[Mummolus]

Bioware are going for the whole 'King Arthur and Morgan Le Fay' angle (notice the similarity in name and purpose of Morgan and Morrigan?).

Actually I don't notice any similarity in name at all - Morgan is of Brythonic origins (specifically Welsh) while Morrigan is from the Goidelic branch (specifically Irish Gaelic). The two names mean completely different things and when pronounced by speakers of either language don't actually sound that much alike either.

[WaRCh1eF]

I sensed a sexual tension between Wynn and Oghren, but not with Morrigan and Alistair, lol xD

[Count Viceroy]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Depends on how you play it.

How ? The ritual is unavoidable, she admits everything up to this point has been a means to an end, regardless of how much you have done for her, even if you have feelings for each other. She still doesn't hesitate to blackmail you and god knows what repricussions her baby will have on the world.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:42 .

[Seagloom]

I get the impression Morrigan just dislikes Alistair a great deal because as previously said, they are opposite. Morrigan believes in attaining power at any cost, is selfishly minded, dislikes the Circle of Magi and the Chantry, and respects intellect.



To her Alistair embodies several of the things she loathes. She sees him as an unintelligent, foolishly kind and soft Templar that blindly believes in a god she thinks doesn't exist. Any fleeting physical attraction she might feel is buried underneath those beliefs. Even when and if they do sleep together, it's just a means to an end for her.

[Ryukahn]

WaRCh1eF wrote...

I sensed a sexual tension between Wynn and Oghren, but not with Morrigan and Alistair, lol xD

Yup.  Some of the interaction between them while running around Orzammar is hilarious.

[FlintlockJazz]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Morrigan is not a cold selfish ****, she is raised by Flemeth and has extremely bad people skills.

Oh, she'd sacrifise the elven slaves in return for blood magic enhancements. She wants to let the demon possess the girl in honoleath, just to give a few examples. And in the end, she shows her true colors, all her time spent with you was to further her own goals.

She also wants to abandon the Circle Mages for being 'weak', despite the fact that she only avoided becoming a Circle Mage (or dead) because of Flemeth, and was willing to release Sten and Jowan despite having gotten themselves caught which counteracts her arguments that the Circle Mages are weak despite Wynne and the others having avoided being caught at all and surviving, making Morrigan a complete hypocrite in my mind. 

Ooh!  There's also the fact that she derides Alistair for being upset over the death of his comrades despite never having cared for anyone herself and when she does get upset over her feelings towards you in the romance you just want to say "Well, you didn't seem to care about Al's feelings so why should we care about yours?" 

Claiming that she's just ignorant of real world stuff only gets her off the hook so far, and actually just shows what an idiot she is that she actually thinks she's superior.

[Ghrelt]

WaRCh1eF wrote...

I sensed a sexual tension between Wynn and Oghren, but not with Morrigan and Alistair, lol xD

Come to think of it, I could see Wynne finally caving to Zevran's advances...

Modifié par Ellythe, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:45 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Mummolus wrote...

Bioware are going for the whole 'King Arthur and Morgan Le Fay' angle (notice the similarity in name and purpose of Morgan and Morrigan?).

Actually I don't notice any similarity in name at all - Morgan is of Brythonic origins (specifically Welsh) while Morrigan is from the Goidelic branch (specifically Irish Gaelic). The two names mean completely different things and when pronounced by speakers of either language don't actually sound that much alike either.

They are spelt and pronounced similarly in English, and the characters themselves fulfill similar roles (Alistair being the possible future king, Morrigan being a witch, and the possibility that the two of them are half brother and sister).  Since it's a fantasy world, I don't think the devs are particularly bothered by the literal meanings and the ascetics of the names.