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[withneelandi]

Legit, unless you have played the game from start to finish, you have done the equivilent of picking up a novel, reading the last page in isolation and saying, "well that was rubbish"

[ArkkAngel007]

Those who have played it (not the press, but others) loved the game, and even enjoyed the endings. I do believe at least one of them has played all the previous titles, if that isn't the case for both of them.

[Almostfaceman]

The Last Guardian wrote...

I'm so tired of this. 

People get so upset about an ending they have 0 context of. They get the most basic 1st grader like details of what happen, and watch a 3 second video on youtube, with terrible quality and no audio and become disappointed. 

 Christ almighty. It pisses me off. Play the game fully, find out why the ending happened the way it happened, soak it with all the ambience of the music the dialogue, etc. Watch the credits, including the special cutscene after the credits and THEN make your opinion of how it ended.

 To me this is just so childish. Oh NOOOESS the ending sucks. 

1st why are you even spoiling yourself the ending? This is the final game in the trilogy, this is it. After this all the characters we've come to know and love are done (in terms of there own plotline). To me, the fact that some people PURPOSLY scoured the internet looked up all the detail possible on the ending and the main story is just pathetic in my eyes. 

Why? That's all I can ask. You seriously can't wait a measly few more days. I got spoiled by my friend, I didn't have the luxery of some other mass effect fans have had.

The ending might suck (and from what I've been spoiled on it does seem it would be upseting to SOME), but why not simply make that bold and cold statement from playing the damn ending yourself.

Ugh.<_<

I'm kinda "live and let live" about people going and spoiling themselves. But that's a decision you make for yourself.

I get more annoyed when people who have seen some of this stuff come in and hint at things. Just let us experience the endings for ourselves, thanks. That's really not too much to ask.

Great points about context, by the way. I don't know about any of the endings, but I do know from experience that the story, everything up to the final point, is what makes the ending worthwhile.

[fatalfeline]

I agree. And all the new bits of news I've gotten today are nothing but good! I'M READY!

[Decoy109]

Haseeo wrote...

I just plan to play another game in a series I enjoy.

short, on point and that's what's it's all about, enjoying the game.
ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME YOURSELF!

here's a fantastic quote from a user of these forums that applies to most topics on BWN.

"The next game Bioware should release is DRAMA QUEEN EFFECT"

i'm sorry if this offends anyone but that's is pretty accurate.

[CaptainZaysh]

Almostfaceman wrote...

On the opposite end of the opinion spectrum I read about the complaints for DA2 and then decided to play it for myself and it was an awesome game.

+1.  I miss Hawke, and hope I get to see her again in more DLC.

[Nathan Redgrave]

yesikareyes wrote...

A true fan supports what they love no matter what.

Although I'm largely on board with Mass Effect 3, I disagree with this idea. I believe a true fan should be open-minded and give things a chance even if they look like they could turn sour; I don't think they should support it no matter what. There's an important difference there, mainly in that the fan isn't expected to be a mindless drone who sings praises for things that may not deserve them.

I don't believe a fan of a series, company, author, director, or what-have-you needs to like everything that comes of what they're a fan of. I, for example, am in love with Stephen King's The Dark Tower series, but I'll be one of the first to admit that I found books five and seven quite a bit less enjoyable than the rest of the series. Likewise, I enjoy BioWare's games, but I still hold that:

- Dragon Age: Origins suffered for its slow-paced combat and its console versions didn't adequately convert the PC character control to the new format, missing out on at least one key feature that could have been (and, in Dragon Age II, actually was) implemented, mainly the ability to order several party members to move to different positions all at once rather than having to manually drive each to where you want them to be one at a time, in real-time gameplay, which limits your strategic options--a problem you don't have in the PC release. Also, several of the DLC packs--most notably "Witch Hunt"--were lackluster or bugged in some way.

- Dragon Age II would have been much better had player choice had more of a satisfying impact on the game world, and if Kirkwall had been livelier--you know, like an actual town. My biggest problem with the game, however, is the heavy reliance on waves of swarms. In the original, each encounter was a unique arrangement of specifically arranged enemies, requiring players to adjust their combat actions for each new encounter; in Dragon Age II, one strategy serves for nearly all encounters, and all encounters go pretty much the same very straightforward way, making the game much more repetitive than it should be. The game's over-reliance on re-using the same stock environments with slightly altered stage pieces is matched only by the side-quest portions of the first Mass Effect game.

- Mass Effect had a fantastic story and some monumental gameplay concepts, but the execution was massively flawed in several places, most glaringly in the side-quests, which, after the novelty of exploring vast open-world planetscapes wears off, you'll find extremely bland, tedious, and repetitive. The same three stock environments--a pre-fab warehouse, an underground complex with the same four rooms, and a mine shaft with the same arrangement of caverns--are recycled over and over, and occasionally, you get a fifth stock environment in the form of the same pre-fab merchant freighter. This in contrast to the fantastic environments of Eden Prime, the Citadel, Feros, Noveria, Virmire, and Ilos make the cheap, filler-feeling nature of the side-mission gameplay all the more apparent. The empty and open planetscapes are the only variety this side of the game has to offer, but one's mileage may vary on how long the changing views will enthrall. Additionally, the inventory system, while interesting in concept, suffers from a massive, headache-inducing case of scroll lag. It takes forever to scroll down your list when you've gotten a healthy supply of items, and there's no way to salvage, sell, or equip more than one item or upgrade at a time. Add to that the unnecessary inclusion of ten "levels" of every piece of equipment in the game, and you have a major time-waster on your hands. It could have worked oh so well if this aspect were fixed.

- Mass Effect 2 does a lot to augment the first game's problems, but overcompensates in a few ways. While having more variety in weapon function is nice, and is functionally more interesting than having sixty bajillion versions of the same four weapons with differing stat advantages, the total removal of the weapon upgrade system kills all sense of customization depth and the "purchase general upgrades" system doesn't actually add anything but a more sensible way to level up weapon skills (one that doesn't involve being a complete dunce with a sniper rifle until level twenty). The addition of new, class-specific powers such as Adrenaline Rush or Biotic Charge make for some great additions to class variety, but the overhauled powers system leaves a bit to be desired and the more shields, armor, and barriers the enemy employs, the more it seems that powers have been handicapped by the system (especially on higher difficulties). The "overheating" system in the first game is replaced by a generic ammo system that uses "thermal clips" as a lore mechanic to cover the change, and this results in an otherwise original aspect of the gameplay feeling relatively generic. The combat is overall much better, but still doesn't rival dedicated action games by any stretch of the imagination, and the dumbing-down of many RPG elements blunts its effectiveness as a genre-hybrid. The Paragon/Renegade system also feels much more restrictive with the lack of a separate Charm/Renegade skill, resulting in the common morality-system pitfall where a game strongly endorses going whole-hog in one direction or the other rather than allowing the player to exercise their own mixed logic when it comes to which situations warrent Paragon or Renegade options. While the sidequests are largely improved, the game does away with planetscape exploration entirely and the new mineral-scanning mechanic is simply a time-sink; it would have been infinitely less painful to simply make us purchase upgrades with ordinary money than giving us four extra "resources" to grind with which to purchase them instead.

For the record, I enjoy all four of these games, but I'm not above criticizing them. I would argue that a true fan is capable of seeing the positive in spite of the negative, but of pointing out the negative even in cases where the positive is what they would prefer to focus on.

[Repearized Miranda]

yesikareyes wrote...

A true fan supports what they love no matter what. Just like Resident Evil, everyone hated the movies but I love it to death. Well, Tekken the movie is my only exception! lol but that's maybe because I'm not really a hardcore fan of Tekken.

We all know why games don't translate well to movies - just as lipsyncing doesn't translate well to a live performance or how books don't translate well to movies! And apparently, we see how media translates to the masses (not just mainstream culture)

"I could just play the game!"
"I could just read the book!"
"I could just listen to the recording!"

Makes me wonder how the ME movies will do!

[Cody211282]

As long as the plot is better then ME2s then I'll be happy.

[mogonk]

XavierHollywood wrote...
ME3 will be a massive success critically and commerically and be adored by the vast majority of the people who play it

1.  Plenty of works get good reviews in mainstream publications and are enormously popular despite the fact that they're terrible.

2.  The gaming press is far, far worse than the film critics.  It's an industry of yes-men who give every freaking game that comes out an 8.0 or higher.  Major reviewers have been FIRED for giving AAA titles a 6.  Seriously.

So, yeah.  I'm 100% certain that the same people who loved Transformers 2 will love Mass Effect 3.  And I'm 100% certain that the same people who gave Dragon Age 2 9s will give ME3 10s.

Neither of which does much to quell my uncertainty about the quality of the game.

[CrazyCatDude]

I think the game is going to be amazing. I also think, like my play through of Dragon Age II, I'm going to get to the end of be emotionally gutted. I expect the war to be brutal. Hell, I WANT the war to be brutal.

Honestly, people rag on DA2, but I loved that game, the story it told. Pure Tragedy. Hawke tried so hard, for so long, and in the end, almost everything she touched turned to ash. Her sister dead of the darkspawn taint, her mother murdered, her home burned and her fortune gone, and the only thing she had left in the world was Isabella. That had power to it.

If I get to the end of Mass Effect 3 and it has that kind of emotional punch, I'll consider it a satisfying ending. The thing is, where as I spent 40 hours or so with Hawke before I reached that end, I've spent the last two years with Shepard. I've played those games into the ground, I've read the comics, listened to the interviews, and just loved this series for the past two years, so I've got a lot more invested in the game, and I suspect that whatever ending comes, it's gonna kick me right in the teeth.

[XavierHollywood]

theSteeeeels wrote...

i dont think anyone is hoping the game fails. they just KNOW it is going to.

old school fans of Bioware/ME1 fans can see how far the game has come.... from RPG/action to full blown TPS wth Online deathmatches.... from exploring actual planets and finding your own way around to a minigame of reaper pacman..... from full blown epic story to babysitting aliens. yeah, no one ishoping the game will suck.... they know it will

I suppose I could take the time to counter this argument on why ME3 (just from what ive seen) looks to be a much more polished rpg AND tps experience then ME1 was just an rpg, but that would be beating a dead horse.

Why is it though, if you KNOW this game is going to be a failure, are you still wasting your time here on a site devoted to a product that will fail?  Surely you have better things to do then waste your time bantering over something you dont even like.

[DJStarstryker]

Yep. I've been thinking this for quite some time, once all of the negativity first started several months ago with the announcement of multiplayer (and the negativity keeps going with whatever is hot to hate on today).

ME2 was fun to hate on for several months after its release, but now many people say they like it. I'm sure ME3 will be the same.

[mogonk]

Hyrist wrote...
By the time you play the ending cuteness, you've already determined so many different story endings for so many different occurrence arcs that the core ending of the actual game doesn't matter all that much. In the end, all your determining is the final twist in the tale already told.

That's pretty good story writing, honestly.

Wait, wait, wait.

The fact that the story ends up the same way no matter what you did along the way is GOOD story writing?

HOW?

[Cody211282]

XavierHollywood wrote...

 ...just like ME2, ME3 will be a massive success critically and commerically and be adored by the vast majority of the people who play it, including yourself?

It seems almost as if so many so called fans of Bioware and ME are HOPING for ME3 to fail.  Ive never before seen more whining/complaining/crying/nitpicking for a game in my life, and sometimes over the most ridiculous things imaginable.  However, Im also convinced that this incrediably loud crowd will also be an incrediably small minority.

Ive kept myself free of any major spoilers, but of what ive played and seen thus far I think I can confidently go out on a limb here and say that I will thoroughly enjoy this game from top to bottom.  I loved Mass Effect 1, Loved Mass Effect 2 just as much (though for slightly different reasons), and I have yet to feel any reason as to why ME3 wont continue that trend.

Hats off to you Bioware.  Im glad to have had the chance to experience your defining series.

How can you be tipping your hat for something that you havent even played yet. Thats like me saying how good the food is at a place I haven't eaten at yet, sure I really want it to be good but it could end up being just eh.

[Cody211282]

mogonk wrote...

Hyrist wrote...
By the time you play the ending cuteness, you've already determined so many different story endings for so many different occurrence arcs that the core ending of the actual game doesn't matter all that much. In the end, all your determining is the final twist in the tale already told.

That's pretty good story writing, honestly.

Wait, wait, wait.

The fact that the story ends up the same way no matter what you did along the way is GOOD story writing?

HOW?

Wait what? So no matter what I do the same thing happens at the end? Umm please no.

[spirosz]

I have mixed feelings, the more I see of the game, the more I'm seeing the best of both games, but all this negativity from the forums have been a big downer. I haven't read or seen any spoilers and don't plan to, but I think it's just BSN being BSN, there will always be negativity in this place, regardless of how great or bad the game is.

All that really matters to me is a satisfying conclusion and respecting character development with Shepard and his or her fellow crew-mates, they all deserve it, no matter how small or big their role is. When it comes down to it, I hope it delivers because Bioware has yet to disappoint me (even DAII wasn't that bad IMO, not their best, but that's not the point).

Each their own anyway, it's not like BSN is playing my game or my Shepard.

[Gatt9]

mogonk wrote...

XavierHollywood wrote...
ME3 will be a massive success critically and commerically and be adored by the vast majority of the people who play it

1.  Plenty of works get good reviews in mainstream publications and are enormously popular despite the fact that they're terrible.

2.  The gaming press is far, far worse than the film critics.  It's an industry of yes-men who give every freaking game that comes out an 8.0 or higher.  Major reviewers have been FIRED for giving AAA titles a 6.  Seriously.

So, yeah.  I'm 100% certain that the same people who loved Transformers 2 will love Mass Effect 3.  And I'm 100% certain that the same people who gave Dragon Age 2 9s will give ME3 10s.

Neither of which does much to quell my uncertainty about the quality of the game.

Pretty much this.

Advertisers are the only source of income for game sites,  so they essentially write reviewers paychecks.  Advertisers want their games to get great scores,  and you don't tell the guy writing your paycheck "No.". 

The gaming press is completely worthless.  DA2's a great example,  18 sites gave the PS3 version a 90+,  users gave it a 4.x on average.  When you have a 200% delta,  it's obvious there's a problem.

Or alternatively,  one could look at Skyrim.  No PS3 review warned buyers that the game was completely broken on their system and after a fairly small bit of time it'd become completely unplayable.  Bethesda didn't want potential customers warned that they were buying software that would become unusable.

[chaosomegas]

me3 will be a great game and i will want for da3 and jade empire 2. lol

[razgriz21]

Nervous but confident and optimistic.

This is Bioware's ride and I'm eager to take the journey to whatever destination.

[Julia343]

Going back to 2001 with BW games.... you can use pretty much the same strategy and get through the games. Come on. Same with shooters. Then some games went open world, and those games have exploits up the ying yang, which yield... (drumroll)... unchallenging boss battles. And after a while it gets like with Skyrim... oh hey, I remember this dungeon layout completely from Morrowind, and this one, too, and this one from Oblivion, but the lighting is different. Then after a while you put the layouts behind you and put the strategies behind and focus on the stories being told. After all, that's really what a RPG is about right?

So DA2? I thought it was a decent game. It wasn't the high fantasy game people expected, but I got the opportunity to play a cheat and a s*** in it.

The only thing I really hated in ME2 was the planet scanning. I never really paid much attention to the paragon/renegade stuff. I never do. I just wing it in the game. If I get the "special" dialog fine. If I don't fine. If I don't it sometimes means an extra fight, or less $$$, or less opportunity to be "selfless" or do something for personal gain.
So onward to ME3. Look at the plot so far. Get real about it. It's the Reapers. It's nearly hopeless, and if you've been a cheat and a s*** in ME1 & 2 ye reap what ye sow.

I went to the "Spoilers" section this week. Once again people are BMCing about the endings............(discussion not allowed in this section)............. but I think they sound okay.

[Nathan Redgrave]

mogonk wrote...

Hyrist wrote...
By the time you play the ending cuteness, you've already determined so many different story endings for so many different occurrence arcs that the core ending of the actual game doesn't matter all that much. In the end, all your determining is the final twist in the tale already told.

That's pretty good story writing, honestly.

Wait, wait, wait.

The fact that the story ends up the same way no matter what you did along the way is GOOD story writing?

HOW?

The idea is that despite the "main" ending of the Reaper invasion, by the time you get there you've already seen the endings and resolutions of all the other subplots you've been making choices about throughout the series. Ergo: there are many little subplot endings during the game, and then there are the endings at the actual end.

I don't 100% agree that this is entirely satisfying, but it'll most likely work for its intended purpose. I just wonder if we ever get any inkling about what happens to all the races after the ending. Probably not; whenever they do that, they wind up retconning half of it in the sequel.

[Repearized Miranda]

Entreri10 wrote...

I think its more that people love the series so much that they're nervous they might be disappointed.. I admit to that myself but I'm confident in Bioware's ability to craft a fantastic game.

Because they are expecting too much! Yes, BW has made some amazing games (notce: I said amazing - not perfect!); however, if they let their expectations get ridiculous, then what do they expect?

Maybe if they made sleeper games, expectations would die down a bit, but I doubt it!

This game will pretty good, too; however, I won't be naive enough to not expect flaws.

[XavierHollywood]

Cody211282 wrote...

XavierHollywood wrote...

 ...just like ME2, ME3 will be a massive success critically and commerically and be adored by the vast majority of the people who play it, including yourself?

It seems almost as if so many so called fans of Bioware and ME are HOPING for ME3 to fail.  Ive never before seen more whining/complaining/crying/nitpicking for a game in my life, and sometimes over the most ridiculous things imaginable.  However, Im also convinced that this incrediably loud crowd will also be an incrediably small minority.

Ive kept myself free of any major spoilers, but of what ive played and seen thus far I think I can confidently go out on a limb here and say that I will thoroughly enjoy this game from top to bottom.  I loved Mass Effect 1, Loved Mass Effect 2 just as much (though for slightly different reasons), and I have yet to feel any reason as to why ME3 wont continue that trend.

Hats off to you Bioware.  Im glad to have had the chance to experience your defining series.

How can you be tipping your hat for something that you havent even played yet. Thats like me saying how good the food is at a place I haven't eaten at yet, sure I really want it to be good but it could end up being just eh.

Ive always had faith in Bioware when it came to the ME series.  This is their baby afterall.   Ive been frequenting these boards for years now and have waded through so much negativity but never once doubted that I would love the games.  Sure the games arent  perfect in every way, but honestly, its the most enjoyment ive had in gaming this generation.  When it comes to ME, Bioware has earned the benefit of the doubt with me.  Could I be wrong? Sure, but im quite positive they wont let me down.

Its like going to a place I havent eaten yet, but I know the head chiefs are from my previously favorite restaurant:P

[Cody211282]

XavierHollywood wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

XavierHollywood wrote...

 ...just like ME2, ME3 will be a massive success critically and commerically and be adored by the vast majority of the people who play it, including yourself?

It seems almost as if so many so called fans of Bioware and ME are HOPING for ME3 to fail.  Ive never before seen more whining/complaining/crying/nitpicking for a game in my life, and sometimes over the most ridiculous things imaginable.  However, Im also convinced that this incrediably loud crowd will also be an incrediably small minority.

Ive kept myself free of any major spoilers, but of what ive played and seen thus far I think I can confidently go out on a limb here and say that I will thoroughly enjoy this game from top to bottom.  I loved Mass Effect 1, Loved Mass Effect 2 just as much (though for slightly different reasons), and I have yet to feel any reason as to why ME3 wont continue that trend.

Hats off to you Bioware.  Im glad to have had the chance to experience your defining series.

How can you be tipping your hat for something that you havent even played yet. Thats like me saying how good the food is at a place I haven't eaten at yet, sure I really want it to be good but it could end up being just eh.

Ive always had faith in Bioware when it came to the ME series.  This is their baby afterall.   Ive been frequenting these boards for years now and have waded through so much negativity but never once doubted that I would love the games.  Sure the games arent  perfect in every way, but honestly, its the most enjoyment ive had in gaming this generation.  When it comes to ME, Bioware has earned the benefit of the doubt with me.  Could I be wrong? Sure, but im quite positive they wont let me down.

Its like going to a place I havent eaten yet, but I know the head chiefs are from my previously favorite restaurant:P

Well going off what they have done in the past that sorta scares me. ME2 was a great game with a meh main plot and to me DA2 is better off not mentioned. I really really hope this game is amazing but I'm a bit more worried then I have been with previous titles.