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FlyingWalrus wrote...
Just try to tell me it isn't juvenile to be angry about a story not ending the way you wanted it to.



People are well within their rights to express opinions about a piece of fiction they have purchased and have an investment in, and that includes how it ends. Why does it matter to you how they feel about it?

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In response to thread title:

Because they suck.


I C wut u did thar.

Where's a mod when you need one to lock this crap down?

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LookingGlass93 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...
Just try to tell me it isn't juvenile to be angry about a story not ending the way you wanted it to.



People are well within their rights to express opinions about a piece of fiction they have purchased and have an investment in, and that includes how it ends. Why does it matter to you how they feel about it?

It does not matter to me. I am merely inquiring as to the logic behind this frenzy. I'm sure whatever the ending is, the journey there will satisfy me and it will all make sense within the context of the greater whole. Of course, other people's perceptions may vary. However, why people cannot seem to comprehend this IS what baffles me.

So, is it or is it not juvenile to be mad because the story doesn't end with dancing ewoks and fireworks?

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 02 mars 2012 - 10:16 .


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FlyingWalrus wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...
Just try to tell me it isn't juvenile to be angry about a story not ending the way you wanted it to.



People are well within their rights to express opinions about a piece of fiction they have purchased and have an investment in, and that includes how it ends. Why does it matter to you how they feel about it?

It does not matter to me. I am merely inquiring as to the logic behind this frenzy. I'm sure whatever the ending is, the journey there will satisfy me and it will all make sense within the context of the greater whole. Of course, other people's perceptions may vary. However, why people cannot seem to comprehend this IS what baffles me.

So, is it or is it not juvenile to be mad because the story doesn't end with dancing ewoks and fireworks?


What is more juvenile, having serious issues with the conclusion?

Or calling those that do "Knobs"?  Image IPB

I'm fairly certain hoping for a more varied experiance, is not wanting dancing Ewoks. Image IPB

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To be honest, the majority of the lot of those "having serious issues with the conclusion" are being rather obnoxious with their entitlement complex. Ergo, "knobs."

And if that rather brief innuendo in your signature is a spoiler, I do suggest you remove it posthaste.

So. Is it not juvenile to be mad at the apparently unideal ending? It seems to be admitted that it is to some degree, therefore I think we can say "yes" at this point. Oh well?

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 02 mars 2012 - 10:28 .


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Because Bioware promised that the endings were going to be vastly different and that choices in ME1 and ME2 were going to have huge HUGE impact on ME3. But since all it changes it the color of the christmas tree, then they lied.

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FlyingWalrus wrote...

To be honest, the majority of the lot of those "having serious issues with the conclusion" are being rather obnoxious with their entitlement complex.

And if that rather brief innuendo in your signature is a spoiler, I do suggest you remove it posthaste.



It has been my motto on Xbox live for over 3 years.

Try harder.

I've used it as my personal motto for at least 10 years.

It was a quote from a Star Wars novel that I found rather amusing.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 02 mars 2012 - 10:30 .


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FlyingWalrus wrote...

So, is it or is it not juvenile to be mad because the story doesn't end with dancing ewoks and fireworks?


Maybe
because we are given 5 endings that are the same from player
character's pow - he/she is dead and one where PC may think he/she would
be better dead?

Maybe bacause our "choice" is the colour of explosion?

Have you ever played Witcher? It has three endings, in fact last part of the main quest
is completely different and ouctome is very different, depending on
player choices. None of them is butterflies and rainbows, but you have
real choice, and who you support in war does matter.

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Fair enough. I did say if.

Legendaryred wrote...

Because Bioware promised that the endings were going to be vastly different and that choices in ME1 and ME2 were going to have huge HUGE impact on ME3. But since all it changes it the color of the christmas tree, then they lied.

Are you sure? I do have serious doubts that whomever leaked these endings has had the opportunity, or time for that matter, to go through the game with every single variable tested out from the previous two games. If you will remember, the ending of Mass Effect 1 was largely the same whether or not one saves the council or not. As it was for ME2. What was much different for those two games was the collateral surrounding those situations. To be frank I myself am not expecting much of a deviation from this formula, if only because of technical limitations.

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FlyingWalrus wrote...

Fair enough. I did say if.

Legendaryred wrote...

Because Bioware promised that the endings were going to be vastly different and that choices in ME1 and ME2 were going to have huge HUGE impact on ME3. But since all it changes it the color of the christmas tree, then they lied.

Are you sure? I do have serious doubts that whomever leaked these endings has had the opportunity, or time for that matter, to go through the game with every single variable tested out from the previous two games. If you will remember, the ending of Mass Effect 1 was largely the same whether or not one saves the council or not. As it was for ME2. What was much different for those two games was the collateral surrounding those situations. To be frank I myself am not expecting much of a deviation from this formula, if only because of technical limitations.


To be fair most spoilers seem to be being pulled out of the games files themselves. Sure they haven't had the time to explore all the outcomes with traditional playthroughs. But the videos, audio clips and pictures are being pulled from the game files themselves.

These leaks aren't just coming from one guy.

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Darth Malice113 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Fair enough. I did say if.

Legendaryred wrote...

Because Bioware promised that the endings were going to be vastly different and that choices in ME1 and ME2 were going to have huge HUGE impact on ME3. But since all it changes it the color of the christmas tree, then they lied.

Are you sure? I do have serious doubts that whomever leaked these endings has had the opportunity, or time for that matter, to go through the game with every single variable tested out from the previous two games. If you will remember, the ending of Mass Effect 1 was largely the same whether or not one saves the council or not. As it was for ME2. What was much different for those two games was the collateral surrounding those situations. To be frank I myself am not expecting much of a deviation from this formula, if only because of technical limitations.


To be fair most spoilers seem to be being pulled out of the games files themselves. Sure they haven't had the time to explore all the outcomes with traditional playthroughs. But the videos, audio clips and pictures are being pulled from the game files themselves.

These leaks aren't just coming from one guy.

So it is all out of context then.

Wonderful.

I suppose this is the part where I say, "Play the game thoroughly, experience it in full, then judge the story for its merits and not solely its conclusion"? If it was common practice for any critic of any worth to judge the countless stories in literature based on their endings and their endings alone, many of the greatest stories ever written wouldn't pass snuff.

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Anna jumping in front of that train ruined the whole book for me. /sarcasm

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Drones gonna drone.

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Because the knobs wanted a lovely happy ending where Shepard rides off on a pony to meet God who then brings peace to the entire universe. Meanwhile, a sickly happy melody plays in the background as rainbows spring up in outer space.

After God starts living in the universe. Shepard gets married to his LI and has some children and they live happily ever after in a castle with The Warden and that guy from KoTOR.

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A nice ending but this is Mass Effect we're talking about. There ain't gonna be universal peace even after the defeat of The Reapers but you've saved the galaxy and that's what matters. God and I don't care if Shepard dies or not. He's done his job and he can fade off into outer space along with The Warden and that geezer from KoTOR

Game series done. Dragon Age 3 now please.

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http://social.biowar...index/9509849/1

In this topic, the same topic creator created a repeated thread, then lashed out at someone pointing out at that fact. Having an open discussion with him would be wasted, because the moment your opinion differs from him, you just became unfit to breathe the same air as him.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

Because the knobs wanted a lovely happy ending where Shepard rides off on a pony to meet God who then brings peace to the entire universe. Meanwhile, a sickly happy melody plays in the background as rainbows spring up in outer space.

After God starts living in the universe. Shepard gets married to his LI and has some children and they live happily ever after in a castle with The Warden and that guy from KoTOR.

---

A nice ending but this is Mass Effect we're talking about. There ain't gonna be universal peace even after the defeat of The Reapers but you've saved the galaxy and that's what matters. God and I don't care if Shepard dies or not. He's done his job and he can fade off into outer space along with The Warden and that geezer from KoTOR

Game series done. Dragon Age 3 now please.


Always, I want to be with you, and make believe with you, and live in harmony harmony oh love.

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Why are we referencing urban dictionary in a civilized discussion? No one but an idiot references urban dictionary and even then only if they are suffering from mental retardation.

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I think the whole point is: play the game for yourself before you judge. I've read plenty of books and seen plenty of movies where I thought the ending could have been better but still loved the overall experience.

Chill. Rant post-playthrough if necessary.

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FlyingWalrus wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Fair enough. I did say if.

Legendaryred wrote...

Because Bioware promised that the endings were going to be vastly different and that choices in ME1 and ME2 were going to have huge HUGE impact on ME3. But since all it changes it the color of the christmas tree, then they lied.

Are you sure? I do have serious doubts that whomever leaked these endings has had the opportunity, or time for that matter, to go through the game with every single variable tested out from the previous two games. If you will remember, the ending of Mass Effect 1 was largely the same whether or not one saves the council or not. As it was for ME2. What was much different for those two games was the collateral surrounding those situations. To be frank I myself am not expecting much of a deviation from this formula, if only because of technical limitations.


To be fair most spoilers seem to be being pulled out of the games files themselves. Sure they haven't had the time to explore all the outcomes with traditional playthroughs. But the videos, audio clips and pictures are being pulled from the game files themselves.

These leaks aren't just coming from one guy.

So it is all out of context then.

Wonderful.

I suppose this is the part where I say, "Play the game thoroughly, experience it in full, then judge the story for its merits and not solely its conclusion"? If it was common practice for any critic of any worth to judge the countless stories in literature based on their endings and their endings alone, many of the greatest stories ever written wouldn't pass snuff.


Eat rotten fish and fully experience it before judging it. I get the idea. You can't judge serial killers before you kill somebody. You cannot judge drug addiction before you use drugs. You can't sue a dirty cop before you become a cop. You can't criticize a game before playing. But you are encouraged to pre-order it. Yep. Definetly get it. With that logic nobody can criticise anbody. Because nobody can be at everybody's shoes and nobody can experience everything, we are not omniscient. So go there, buy it!

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I SAW THE FRICKING VIDEOS.


GO TO YOUTUBE


1. TYPE MASS EFFECT 3 ENDINGS.


2. FILTER BY UPLOADED THIS WEEK.


3. SEE THE VIDEOS...... RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Its all true!!!!!

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A person is smart people are stupid and sheep they follow whatever clown has the loudest voice.

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Everyone experiences/enjoys things differently. For some people it is the journey for other's its the destination.

For example I loved Harry Potter with a passion. And then I read the last book and hated it. Really, I can't read any of the books (besides 3) anymore because the ending was terrible IMO. It just ruined it for me. Because for me I guess I'm the type to appreciate the end more than the journey.

You have to realize we're not asking for the current endings to be taken away. We're just hoping/asking/begging for ONE new one to satisfy a large group of unhappy gamers that I suspect will grow once the game is out.

Then again there are still people clinging to the hope that this is a big troll from Bioware and there will be a 'good' ending day 1.

(also I don't know who it is but whoever has been posting spoilers in the no spoiler areas are jerks but that doesn't mean you have to come here and attack the rest of us)

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Ksandor wrote...

Eat rotten fish and fully experience it before judging it. I get the idea. You can't judge serial killers before you kill somebody. You cannot judge drug addiction before you use drugs. You can't sue a dirty cop before you become a cop. You can't criticize a game before playing. But you are encouraged to pre-order it. Yep. Definetly get it. With that logic nobody can criticise anbody. Because nobody can be at everybody's shoes and nobody can experience everything, we are not omniscient. So go there, buy it!

Your expertise at spouting inapplicable allegories into digital format is inspiring. However, neither are analogical to experiencing a story. I could go through your post and individually sift through each and every example to explain why, but doing so would be semantics, and I am convinced that you know better and are simply being obtuse because that is what cynics do when they are at a logical end. Your entire post was, sadly, a waste of your time and only did you a personal disservice.

Naturally, if you come across rotten fish you wouldn't eat it. So I suggest the same for you: if you really think the game is that bad, do yourself a favor and avoid it. Play Angry Birds instead.


@KMYash: I am not attacking everyone, per se. Only those that seem to think that they have the definitive understanding of ME3 based on some bits of data taken out of their original context. I do know that there are plenty of reasonable people in this forum, but this thread is more of a question. A challenge, if you will, to those who flipped to the end of the book and read a paragraph or two of the last five pages. I think it would be good for those who are so angry to stop, examine their mentality, and wonder if it is really reasonable. Skepticism is a good quality to have.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 03 mars 2012 - 04:25 .


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FlyingWalrus wrote...

You haven't even played the game yet. Or at least I'm willing to bet that 99% of you haven't!

And it absolutely doesn't make sense that like moths to a flame you fools would skip to the very end of the book without the context of the pages in between. And you call yourselves among the biggest fans?

I guess it just doesn't make sense to me. Did the ending have to be EXACTLY as you envisioned it for the game to live up to your lofty ideals? Because it's seeming that way to me.

I don't even know what I'm doing in this board. I misclicked. Spoilers, do not want.


Looks like someone's sad that the majority doesn't agree with him. 

Poor, poor baby.. Shhhhhh. Everything will be OK... *gently cradles in arms, and hums a soft lullaby* 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 04:25 .


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Majority. Heh.