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[A SILENT EMU]

Thoragoros wrote...
The Asari and Infiltrators are not overpowered, two of the other classes are decidedly underpowered.

Nope, Bioware needs to nerf the overpowered abilities/weapons rather than making the underpowered ones more powerful.  The game would be even easier than it already is if they made all the abilities/weapons as useful as stasis/carnifex.

[Thoragoros]

A SILENT EMU wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...
The Asari and Infiltrators are not overpowered, two of the other classes are decidedly underpowered.

Nope, Bioware needs to nerf the overpowered abilities/weapons rather than making the underpowered ones more powerful.  The game would be even easier than it already is if they made all the abilities/weapons as useful as stasis/carnifex.

Infiltrators are fine.  They play exactly as intended.  

The Soldier dowa not play as intended, however, because their primary power -- Adrenalin Rush -- doesn't carry over properly from SP.  Adrenline Rush is supposed to give a time dilation in addition to a damage boost.  This is imspossible to do in Co-Op and so the Soldiers are vastly weaker than intended.  Adrenaline Rush needs to be fixed for Co-Op

The Soldiers needs to be addressed with buff, and so does the Sentinel's Tech Armor.  If these two things were fixed, you would see more players using them.

So, as a result, you are comparing Infilatrator's to the Soldier class, when the Soldier class is broken, and are therefore coming to the conclusion that the Infiltrator is overpowered, which simply isn't the case.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 02 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[_symphony]

 I made a poll about what is the character you play with the most, surprise, surprise, the asari adept is the most popular, while human sentinel is the least played. Is also of note that the infiltrators aren't so popular despite everyone here calling them OP.

[TehJumpingJawa]

Thoragoros wrote...

The Soldier is underpowered compared to every class, and that needs to be fixed with buffs to the Soldier, not nerfs to the other classes.

Obviously.

Buff the weak stuff, and nerf the overpowered stuff. This simple principle isn't in contention.

Though admittedly there is a lot more discussion about what needs nerfing, and how it should be done.
Perhaps someone should start a 'what needs buffing, and how best should it be done' thread.

[Thoragoros]

TehJumpingJawa wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

The Soldier is underpowered compared to every class, and that needs to be fixed with buffs to the Soldier, not nerfs to the other classes.

Obviously.

Buff the weak stuff, and nerf the overpowered stuff. This simple principle isn't in contention.

Though admittedly there is a lot more discussion about what needs nerfing, and how it should be done.
Perhaps someone should start a 'what needs buffing, and how best should it be done' thread.

Soldiers, Assault Rifles, and Tech Armor need to be buffed.  If these things were buffed there would be an incentive for players to use something other than Adepts and Snipers.

Right now, it just doesn't make sense to use Assault Rifles since the damage is pitiful.  There is no incentive to use Tech Armor because the penalties are outrageous.

[corporal doody]

_symphony wrote...

 I made a poll about what is the character you play with the most, surprise, surprise, the asari adept is the most popular, while human sentinel is the least played. Is also of note that the infiltrators aren't so popular despite everyone here calling them OP.

and i still fail to see how popularity determines best and or worse. It just one is perferred over the others. I just loves me the asari. once the game comes out im gonna be running as a asari vanguard alot too. IF there was a ASARI in every class i would run as a asari...not just cuz of one or two skills...but because I would perfer to and have wanted to play one since ME1.

[_symphony]

corporal doody wrote...

_symphony wrote...

 I made a poll about what is the character you play with the most, surprise, surprise, the asari adept is the most popular, while human sentinel is the least played. Is also of note that the infiltrators aren't so popular despite everyone here calling them OP.

and i still fail to see how popularity determines best and or worse. It just one is perferred over the others. I just loves me the asari. once the game comes out im gonna be running as a asari vanguard alot too. IF there was a ASARI in every class i would run as a asari...not just cuz of one or two skills...but because I would perfer to and have wanted to play one since ME1.

well, is a statistic, it should be obvious that it won't explain why you  play the asari adept. I guess that you will also say that nobody plays the human sentinel because nobody likes human sentinels, and not because is a class hard to play with.

Modifié par _symphony, 02 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[TehJumpingJawa]

Nerfs I'd make:

- stasis; slows by ~90% rather than freezes & guardians no-longer drop their shield.
 This would fix the trivial repeat headshotting of a stationary target, and you'd still be able to flank slowed guardians to get the headshot.

- pistols; get rid of scope. replace with.... something
No more light weight, rapid fire sniper rifles.

- reduce cloak duration by ~20%.
No more repositioning the entire length of the map, or completing an entire hack while cloaked.

[Thoragoros]

TehJumpingJawa wrote...

Nerfs I'd make:

- reduce cloak duration by ~20%.
No more repositioning the entire length of the map, or completing an entire hack while cloaked.

That's the purpose of the Infiltrator.  The entire idea is that you are able to 'infiltrate' enemy positions.  It is also the Infiltrator's only strength.  Besides, having a cloak time long enough to do either of those things is only really possible on the final level of cloak.

Furthermore, I cannot count the number of times my team made the objective time solely because we had an Infiltrator who was willing to dash off cloaked to an objective the rest of us couldn't reach because there were just too many enemies around.

Some classes have defined roles, and the defined role of the Infiltrator is to set-up shots, and sneak around to objectives.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 02 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[TehJumpingJawa]

Thoragoros wrote...

That's the purpose of the Infiltrator.  The entire idea is that you are able to 'infiltrate' enemy positions.  It is also the Infiltrator's only strength.  Besides, having a cloak time long enough to do either of those things is only really possible on the final level of cloak.

Furthermore, I cannot count the number of times my team made the objective time solely because we had an Infiltrator who was willing to dash off cloaked to an objective the rest of us couldn't reach because there were just too many enemies around.

Some classes have defined roles, and the defined role of the Infiltrator is to set-up shots, and sneak around to objectives.

A ~20% reduction in cloak duration wouldn't make either of those scenarios impossible, it'd just turn cloak from an "i win" button (or more accurately, an "i runaway" button) into something that requires a little more preparation to pull off.

[Arppis]

As long as Vanguard isn't nerfed, I'm good.

But some guns could use buffs.

[Thoragoros]

TehJumpingJawa wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

That's the purpose of the Infiltrator.  The entire idea is that you are able to 'infiltrate' enemy positions.  It is also the Infiltrator's only strength.  Besides, having a cloak time long enough to do either of those things is only really possible on the final level of cloak.

Furthermore, I cannot count the number of times my team made the objective time solely because we had an Infiltrator who was willing to dash off cloaked to an objective the rest of us couldn't reach because there were just too many enemies around.

Some classes have defined roles, and the defined role of the Infiltrator is to set-up shots, and sneak around to objectives.

A ~20% reduction in cloak duration wouldn't make either of those scenarios impossible, it'd just turn cloak from an "i win" button (or more accurately, an "i runaway" button) into something that requires a little more preparation to pull off.

The Cloak button is hardly an 'I win' button.  You can still take damage, and performing any defensive action terminates the cloak.  Right now, the cloak does exactly what it is supposed to do, give the player time to reposition, and set-up a shot.  And if you miss that shot, you are basically screwed, or at the very least, your time has been wasted.

Right now, the Cloak is pretty much the only ability whose usefulness relies on the player's skill.  You actually have to make the shot, and if you can't, the cloak is next to useless.

Compare this to the 'homing-blasts' of the Adepts and Engineers, who with the press the button send a homing space-magic missle at the enemy, or the 'Insta-Buff' button of the Krogan, Sentinel, and Soldier.

[capn233]

You don't really need to mess with cloak.

Essentially the most screwed up bit is the weapon weight vs effectiveness dynamic and how it relates to cooldowns. When you make the lightest weapon class the best it makes "casters" a little too powerful. And that is also part of why Human Soldier is pretty poor.  The pistol class should not be the best at anything except being light.  It should be decent.  But NOT the best at any range.  If you want the best you should have a different weapon class that weighs more.

Again, there are a few powers that could be tweaked. Stasis, Tech Armor, Adrenaline Rush... perhaps Soldier's passive. Overload.

This would make the game BETTER... there should be a role for every class and every weapon type.

Modifié par capn233, 02 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[_symphony]

cloak doesn't make you invincible, it isn't like in ME2 where you cloak and everyone forgets about you.

[darkblade]

TehJumpingJawa wrote...

Nerfs I'd make:

- stasis; slows by ~90% rather than freezes & guardians no-longer drop their shield.
 This would fix the trivial repeat headshotting of a stationary target, and you'd still be able to flank slowed guardians to get the headshot.

- pistols; get rid of scope. replace with.... something
No more light weight, rapid fire sniper rifles.

- reduce cloak duration by ~20%.
No more repositioning the entire length of the map, or completing an entire hack while cloaked.

-I think stasis should slow targets through thier defense but 90% is too much 50% is good.

-Agreed with the scope, they can add a full auto upgrade that increases RoF but decreases accuracy.

-I think cloak is fine but if you what to change something i think Human infiltrator can be looked at. IMO sticky grenades dont synergize with the class like prox mines do on the salarian. Sabotage instead of Sticky Grenade would be an excellent change.

[corporal doody]

wow.....reading through this and then seeing the "balance" changes.

[dabull1014]

You want grief, play against Geth. Players are nothing compared to Geth Hunters-that-are-virtually-unstunnable-and-shoot-you-even-while-incapacitated/Pyros-with-invisible-extra-flamethrower-range/Rocket Troopers-with-magical-curving-wall-penetrating-rockets.

[corporal doody]

dabull1014 wrote...

You want grief, play against Geth. Players are nothing compared to Geth Hunters-that-are-virtually-unstunnable-and-shoot-you-even-while-incapacitated/Pyros-with-invisible-extra-flamethrower-range/Rocket Troopers-with-magical-curving-wall-penetrating-rockets.

yeah

-so long as you see the Hunters coming at you...you are okay...but once they are on you...you are done
-the invisible Pyros (rather the flames that dont turn your screen yellow or deplete your health...just make you go splat).....i blame lag...it happens every few matches.. and it doesnt happen when i host
-those rockets that fly through walls, at double speed, do 90 degree turns and hit you in the face, and are usually fired 2 at a time.....I dont know what to say about that.

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:59 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

4 month necro.


That's perverted

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

corporal doody wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

looks like BALANCE changes are indeed in the works. WITH ALL THE GRIEFERS these past few weeks....what REALISTIC changes do you forsee to your beloved class? rather...what DO you forsee being nerfed and/or buffed?



for me...all the griefing about my beloved asari adept and her stasis bubble has me worried that a nerf will be implimented that will make the asari adept nowhere near as fun and turns her near ineffective.

i also think the damage a soldier will deal with a weapon will be buffed.

I don't think you know what griefer means.

i know EXACTLY what griefer means. But maybe you are on to something....maybe the perferred term is WHINERS?!!

Pot calling the kettle black. 

[corporal doody]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

looks like BALANCE changes are indeed in the works. WITH ALL THE GRIEFERS these past few weeks....what REALISTIC changes do you forsee to your beloved class? rather...what DO you forsee being nerfed and/or buffed?



for me...all the griefing about my beloved asari adept and her stasis bubble has me worried that a nerf will be implimented that will make the asari adept nowhere near as fun and turns her near ineffective.

i also think the damage a soldier will deal with a weapon will be buffed.

I don't think you know what griefer means.

i know EXACTLY what griefer means. But maybe you are on to something....maybe the perferred term is WHINERS?!!

Pot calling the kettle black. 

and black calling the kettle pot?

my point still stands....look at what has happen the last few months. 

i think,however, it will slow down a great deal now...as it seems the community has shrunk a little since the release of the EC. maybe it will rectified with the next MP dlc

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:48 .

[darkpassenger2342]

why are you guys arguing about a 4 month old comment?
 CD predicted changes, and some happened.
 nothing to see here, folks.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:49 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

corporal doody wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

looks like BALANCE changes are indeed in the works. WITH ALL THE GRIEFERS these past few weeks....what REALISTIC changes do you forsee to your beloved class? rather...what DO you forsee being nerfed and/or buffed?



for me...all the griefing about my beloved asari adept and her stasis bubble has me worried that a nerf will be implimented that will make the asari adept nowhere near as fun and turns her near ineffective.

i also think the damage a soldier will deal with a weapon will be buffed.

I don't think you know what griefer means.

i know EXACTLY what griefer means. But maybe you are on to something....maybe the perferred term is WHINERS?!!

Pot calling the kettle black. 

and black calling the kettle pot?

Not at all. 

[corporal doody]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

why are you guys arguing about a 4 month old comment?

/shrug

think dude wanted to throw out a insult for the sake of insulting

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .

[darkpassenger2342]

corporal doody wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

why are you guys arguing about a 4 month old comment?

/shrug

 im not bein a smartass to either of ya, im just sayin you predicted there would be some changes and there were... i dont think you were calling anyone whiny initially....
 no reason for you guys to disagree lol.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .