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[Lucy Glitter]

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

[delijoe]

Clippersfan wrote...

Still... they swagger jacked for sure. 

No doubt... but using some plot points and ripping the whole story are two different things.  Thematically, ME is very different.   ME murders Anachronox when it comes to character design and overall writing.... oh, and Anachronox had a turn-based JRPG style battle system similar to Final Fantasy that was boring as hell.

[Clippersfan]

Just because it happens all the time doesn't mean it's okay doof. It just shows the lack of creativity of many people. It's actually sad that people don't take the time to come up with their own story but rather jack other people's and slightly alter it.

[Clippersfan]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

I disagree. I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect  a common plot at all. At least when it comes to details. I found it to be pretty damn unique. Sure all Sci Fi stories have some things in common but Mass Effect had it's very unique attributes, or so I thought. 

[delijoe]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

Is there anything truly original?  The only sci-fi that's even coming close to attempting that these days is Doctor Who, and even that's a bit of a stretch.

The theme of conflict between artificial and organic life is probably the oldest sci-fi trope in the book, but rarely is it presented as well as in ME...

[Eternal Phoenix]

Check Wikipedia. The plot is totally different. The game the OP mentions is about multiple galaxies, the big bang, the big crunch and about saving the entire universe. Mass Effect is about saving your galaxy and not the universe.

Mass Effect also has similarities with Serenity. Doesn't mean it's copied.

That C.S Lewis quote is right. Every story is normally copied or influenced by something else.

[Lucy Glitter]

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

I disagree. I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect  a common plot at all. At least when it comes to details. I found it to be pretty damn unique. Sure all Sci Fi stories have some things in common but Mass Effect had it's very unique attributes, or so I thought. 

Yes, but you are talking about lore. Which I agree. ME lore is incredibly fun and interesting to read, but the base storyline that follows through the trilogy is nothing original.

[xtorma]

It's just way too close. There is a huge difference between being inspired by someone elses "art" and just rewriting it.

[Clippersfan]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Check Wikipedia. The plot is totally different. The game the OP mentions is about multiple galaxies, the big bang, the big crunch and about saving the entire universe. Mass Effect is about saving your galaxy and not the universe.

Mass Effect also has similarities with Serenity. Doesn't mean it's copied.

That C.S Lewis quote is right. Every story is normally copied or influenced by something else.

As I already said. Doesn't make it okay just because it happens all the time. I understand most things have already been done so it's hard to come up with something completely new but it IS possible. Just takes more effort.

[Clippersfan]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

I disagree. I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect  a common plot at all. At least when it comes to details. I found it to be pretty damn unique. Sure all Sci Fi stories have some things in common but Mass Effect had it's very unique attributes, or so I thought. 

Yes, but you are talking about lore. Which I agree. ME lore is incredibly fun and interesting to read, but the base storyline that follows through the trilogy is nothing original.

I think we are splitting hairs with "story" and "lore". I understand the whole aliens/robots vs humans twist has been beaten to death... but the story is very unique in the sense that these are a machine race that commits mass genocide on a cycle etc... Spectres and all of that. Things I have never read or seen in any other sci fi. 

[Rob_K1]

Nothing's really original these days. I'm sure you can find similarities for other games/movies/shows/books if you were to look hard enough.

What is important is the execution of a story/idea. (And please don't use this as an excuse to rag on me or Mass Effect. I'm speaking in general terms only, not about Mass Effect.)

Granted, trying to be as original as possible is nice, but... I wager no matter how hard you try, it's next to impossible to come up with some that hasn't been done before in at least one form or another.

[Clippersfan]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Nothing's really original these days. I'm sure you can find similarities for other games/movies/shows/books if you were to look hard enough.

What is important is the execution of a story/idea. (And please don't use this as an excuse to rag on me or Mass Effect. I'm speaking in general terms only, not about Mass Effect.)

Granted, trying to be as original as possible is nice, but... I wager no matter how hard you try, it's next to impossible to come up with some that hasn't been done before in at least one form or another.

When you have unlimited resources it shouldn't be hard to hire top of the line writers who don't need to jack other people's material. It's pretty simple dude. If Bioware paid me 6 figures to write the story.. I can promise you it would be unique. It's not rocket science. These people are paid to WRITE and come up with things.

[Darth Malice113]

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

I disagree. I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect  a common plot at all. At least when it comes to details. I found it to be pretty damn unique. Sure all Sci Fi stories have some things in common but Mass Effect had it's very unique attributes, or so I thought. 

Yes, but you are talking about lore. Which I agree. ME lore is incredibly fun and interesting to read, but the base storyline that follows through the trilogy is nothing original.

I think we are splitting hairs with "story" and "lore". I understand the whole aliens/robots vs humans twist has been beaten to death... but the story is very unique in the sense that these are a machine race that commits mass genocide on a cycle etc... Spectres and all of that. Things I have never read or seen in any other sci fi. 

It is also rather similer to Babylon 5.

Jump Gates = Mass Relays

Rangers = Spectres

The Shadows = The Reapers

President Clark = The illusive Man

Psi-Core = Cerberus

Those are just a few examples.

[Garrus30]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

I disagree. I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect  a common plot at all. At least when it comes to details. I found it to be pretty damn unique. Sure all Sci Fi stories have some things in common but Mass Effect had it's very unique attributes, or so I thought. 

Yes, but you are talking about lore. Which I agree. ME lore is incredibly fun and interesting to read, but the base storyline that follows through the trilogy is nothing original.

I think we are splitting hairs with "story" and "lore". I understand the whole aliens/robots vs humans twist has been beaten to death... but the story is very unique in the sense that these are a machine race that commits mass genocide on a cycle etc... Spectres and all of that. Things I have never read or seen in any other sci fi. 

It is also rather similer to Babylon 5.

Jump Gates = Mass Relays

Rangers = Spectres

The Shadows = The Reapers

President Clark = The illusive Man

Psi-Core = Cerberus

Those are just a few examples.

lol yeah you're right 

[Clippersfan]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

I disagree. I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect  a common plot at all. At least when it comes to details. I found it to be pretty damn unique. Sure all Sci Fi stories have some things in common but Mass Effect had it's very unique attributes, or so I thought. 

Yes, but you are talking about lore. Which I agree. ME lore is incredibly fun and interesting to read, but the base storyline that follows through the trilogy is nothing original.

I think we are splitting hairs with "story" and "lore". I understand the whole aliens/robots vs humans twist has been beaten to death... but the story is very unique in the sense that these are a machine race that commits mass genocide on a cycle etc... Spectres and all of that. Things I have never read or seen in any other sci fi. 

It is also rather similer to Babylon 5.

Jump Gates = Mass Relays

Rangers = Spectres

The Shadows = The Reapers

President Clark = The illusive Man

Psi-Core = Cerberus

Those are just a few examples.

I am not worthy :Bowdown:. I love Sci Fi and don't know what half of those are 

Modifié par Clippersfan, 02 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[Rob_K1]

Clippersfan wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Nothing's really original these days. I'm sure you can find similarities for other games/movies/shows/books if you were to look hard enough.

What is important is the execution of a story/idea. (And please don't use this as an excuse to rag on me or Mass Effect. I'm speaking in general terms only, not about Mass Effect.)

Granted, trying to be as original as possible is nice, but... I wager no matter how hard you try, it's next to impossible to come up with some that hasn't been done before in at least one form or another.

When you have unlimited resources it shouldn't be hard to hire top of the line writers who don't need to jack other people's material. It's pretty simple dude. If Bioware paid me 6 figures to write the story.. I can promise you it would be unique. It's not rocket science. These people are paid to WRITE and come up with things.

Clipper,

You missed my point. Even if you set out to write something that is unique, there is a very high chance that no matter how hard you try, it can probably be compared to something else out there. Very few things, if any, are totally original anymore.

Speaking as a writer, I try to do unique things myself, but there are always comparisons to other things. I once tried to write something that I thought was so out there, but after I'd posted it on a forum for critique, inevitable critiques came in saying it was similar to another author's work. I'd never even heard of the author in question nor the actual piece that my own writing had been compared to.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 02 mars 2012 - 12:26 .

[Adragalus]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Halo was jacked from something called Ring World . so I am not surprise

Aside from both stories being set on a ring-shaped construct (of which the one in Ringworld is quite different) I know of no other similarities.

Oh wait they both have aliens in a sci-fi setting RIPOFF!

[Darth Malice113]

Clippersfan wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It's because both follow the old-as-time Sci-Fi story archetype. That story can be found in zillions of sci fi books/comics

I disagree. I wouldn't exactly call Mass Effect  a common plot at all. At least when it comes to details. I found it to be pretty damn unique. Sure all Sci Fi stories have some things in common but Mass Effect had it's very unique attributes, or so I thought. 

Yes, but you are talking about lore. Which I agree. ME lore is incredibly fun and interesting to read, but the base storyline that follows through the trilogy is nothing original.

I think we are splitting hairs with "story" and "lore". I understand the whole aliens/robots vs humans twist has been beaten to death... but the story is very unique in the sense that these are a machine race that commits mass genocide on a cycle etc... Spectres and all of that. Things I have never read or seen in any other sci fi. 

It is also rather similer to Babylon 5.

Jump Gates = Mass Relays

Rangers = Spectres

The Shadows = The Reapers

President Clark = The illusive Man

Psi-Core = Cerberus

Those are just a few examples.

I am not worthy :Bowdown:. I love Sci Fi and don't know what half of those are 

Here is a link- http://babylon5.wiki.../wiki/Main_Page  .

[Clippersfan]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Nothing's really original these days. I'm sure you can find similarities for other games/movies/shows/books if you were to look hard enough.

What is important is the execution of a story/idea. (And please don't use this as an excuse to rag on me or Mass Effect. I'm speaking in general terms only, not about Mass Effect.)

Granted, trying to be as original as possible is nice, but... I wager no matter how hard you try, it's next to impossible to come up with some that hasn't been done before in at least one form or another.

When you have unlimited resources it shouldn't be hard to hire top of the line writers who don't need to jack other people's material. It's pretty simple dude. If Bioware paid me 6 figures to write the story.. I can promise you it would be unique. It's not rocket science. These people are paid to WRITE and come up with things.

Clipper,

You missed my point. Even if you set out to write something that is unique, there is a very high chance that no matter how hard you try, it can probably be compared to something else out there. Very few things, if any, are totally original anymore.

I get that. I'm all for accidental parallels but this had so many that it seemed flat out intentional. 

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Clippersfan wrote...
I am not worthy :Bowdown:. I love Sci Fi and don't know what half of those are 

You don't know Babylon 5?

You should watch it, one of my favorite sci-fi series.

[Clippersfan]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...
I am not worthy :Bowdown:. I love Sci Fi and don't know what half of those are 

You don't know Babylon 5?

You should watch it, one of my favorite sci-fi series.

Hahah... I saw a few episodes growing up but never actually watched it. It's a great show? I'm 25 so I would have only been like 8 through 11 or 12 when that show was on TV. Probably why I don't remember it.

Modifié par Clippersfan, 02 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[Ksandor]

Garrus30 wrote...

Not again this Avatar ripped of from Pocahontas discussion crap.

So what? Many Games, Movies and other stuff are ripped of from other (older) stuff, hence it brings much more attention to this game (which I never ever heard about it).

Well it does matter to me. I am not a volunteered mass consumption slave to eat recycled material like this. Disclaimer: I do not say others are. Just explaining my stance.

[Darth Malice113]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...
I am not worthy :Bowdown:. I love Sci Fi and don't know what half of those are 

You don't know Babylon 5?

You should watch it, one of my favorite sci-fi series.

B5 was one of the reasons I was drawn to Mass Effect.

If you like Mass Effect be sure to check out B5. You'll probably enjoy it.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 02 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[Clippersfan]

Will do. I'm off to bed so goodnight guys. I'm curious to see if by morning this is a huge thread OR is locked by then with ban threats lol.

[Rob_K1]

People who like mature shows should also try and check out the Battle Star Galactica reboot. It's funny really, as I believe that show's ending wasn't well received as this game/trilogy's ending isn't being.