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[Ksandor]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Nothing's really original these days. I'm sure you can find similarities for other games/movies/shows/books if you were to look hard enough.

What is important is the execution of a story/idea. (And please don't use this as an excuse to rag on me or Mass Effect. I'm speaking in general terms only, not about Mass Effect.)

Granted, trying to be as original as possible is nice, but... I wager no matter how hard you try, it's next to impossible to come up with some that hasn't been done before in at least one form or another.

I think execution of a story does not exclude creativity. Nothing is new is the motto of mass media and mass production capitalism. You CAN create original things. You have to be very creative though. I don't accept this idea. That recycling is avoidable. But Bioware recycles because those ideas worked well once. Why not use them further?

[Ksandor]

Rob_K1 wrote...

People who like mature shows should also try and check out the Battle Star Galactica reboot. It's funny really, as I believe that show's ending wasn't well received as this game/trilogy's ending isn't being.

Couldn't agree more.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...
I am not worthy :Bowdown:. I love Sci Fi and don't know what half of those are 

You don't know Babylon 5?

You should watch it, one of my favorite sci-fi series.

B5 was one of the reasons I was drawn to Mass Effect.

If you like Mass Effect be sure to check out B5. You'll probably enjoy it.

Lots of episodes too.

[Rob_K1]

Ksandor wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Nothing's really original these days. I'm sure you can find similarities for other games/movies/shows/books if you were to look hard enough.

What is important is the execution of a story/idea. (And please don't use this as an excuse to rag on me or Mass Effect. I'm speaking in general terms only, not about Mass Effect.)

Granted, trying to be as original as possible is nice, but... I wager no matter how hard you try, it's next to impossible to come up with some that hasn't been done before in at least one form or another.

I think execution of a story does not exclude creativity. Nothing is new is the motto of mass media and mass production capitalism. You CAN create original things. You have to be very creative though. I don't accept this idea. That recycling is avoidable. But Bioware recycles because those ideas worked well once. Why not use them further?

I tried several years ago, even though it was less than 1000 words and I never finished it. Even in that short time span, the piece in question was compared to the work of someone else who I'd never heard of nor had I heard of the piece in question.

*shrugs* Ended up settling on a piece where I showed excerpts from a diary/journal etc. that a guy was writing based on his own experiences with the supernatural, plus he had a screw lose. It was more a case of trying a piece of writing that allowed me to practise my language use and something that was different for me though.

Regardless, as I mentioned, it ended up being compared to other stories out there.

The fact of the matter is that I really do believe there's nothing really original out there anymore. When I write something, I try to make each piece different from the last. But that is mainly down to the style I use to portray a piece, plus the different story content and how something's told. I don't sit down and worry about whether a piece has ever been done before or not. Admittedly, I do try and avoid certain fantasy tropes though and I do like fantasy stories.

I know it's off-topic, but that's my perspective as someone who would like to make a living someday with writing. And I have been practising for quite a few years now. I just haven't sent anything off.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 02 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[xtorma]

Firefly! god i loved that show. When it got canceled.....my wife cried

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rob_K1 wrote...

You missed my point. Even if you set out to write something that is unique, there is a very high chance that no matter how hard you try, it can probably be compared to something else out there. Very few things, if any, are totally original anymore.

Parts of the plot? Sure. Some details? Yes.
But not the whole damn core plot.

"Similar" and "copy" are two different things.

Having your work COMPARED and having your work be a COPY are also different things.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 02 mars 2012 - 12:56 .

[ratsneck00]

Oh hey, I remember Anachronox, sucks that the devs for that game went out of business. Game pretty much ended on a cliff hanger. Funny as all hell though, don't think any other game has made me laugh more. Highly suggest if if you can find a copy.

[marstor05]

"And in the end, both Mass Effect and Anachronox ended the exact same way. They stopped the bad guys, realized the truth about the nature of the artifacts, discovered the evil bad guy pretending to be good, stopped the threat to the galaxy, and then they were going to travel to the alien's universe and take the fight to them." 

say wut?????  

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rob_K1 wrote...

People who like mature shows should also try and check out the Battle Star Galactica reboot.

It's forced and overblown and the whole story with the human cylons makes zero sense.

[Ywasibanned]

xtorma wrote...

Firefly! god i loved that show. When it got canceled.....my wife cried

I.. *ahem*. "Downloaded" that series twice. I heard was amazingly awesome, but both times I deleted it. Don't want to set myself up for disappointment because I knew it lasted only one season. Should have done that for ME D:

[Acrylium]

Anyone remembering the game "Star Control 3"?

If not, this is an story synopsis of Star Control 3... no, it's not Mass Effect: http://s7.directuplo...20/frc54pc6.jpg

Modifié par Acrylium, 02 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[lobi]

Could be worse.

In Bioware's classic melodramatic game noir of murder and deceit ME3, Commander Shepards squad mate and LI Liara Tsoni shoots Garrus Vakarian six times as he staggers out of a Mako on the grounds of a Prothian ruin.
Later when Tsoni describes the killing, she implies that the murder was justifiable self-defense against a man intent on violating her.
An incriminating letter later surfaces and reveals her real motives (she was desperately in love with Garrus).
Liara is blackmailed for 10,000 credits by Garrus's Quarian widow (Tali vas Normandy) who also demands a personal apology.
The ultimate revenge comes in the game's conclusion, when she admits to her long-suffering Partner (Shepard): "With all my heart, I still love the man I killed!". Tsoni is stabbed to death soon afterwards by the flash of a omniblade in the vengeful hand of retribution-seeking Tali on a moonlit night in the Shadow Brokers base.

Modifié par lobi, 02 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Aargh12]

And the endings are take straight from Deus Ex (the first one) which was also Ion Storms doing afaik.

[Ksandor]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Nothing's really original these days. I'm sure you can find similarities for other games/movies/shows/books if you were to look hard enough.

What is important is the execution of a story/idea. (And please don't use this as an excuse to rag on me or Mass Effect. I'm speaking in general terms only, not about Mass Effect.)

Granted, trying to be as original as possible is nice, but... I wager no matter how hard you try, it's next to impossible to come up with some that hasn't been done before in at least one form or another.

I think execution of a story does not exclude creativity. Nothing is new is the motto of mass media and mass production capitalism. You CAN create original things. You have to be very creative though. I don't accept this idea. That recycling is avoidable. But Bioware recycles because those ideas worked well once. Why not use them further?

I tried several years ago, even though it was less than 1000 words and I never finished it. Even in that short time span, the piece in question was compared to the work of someone else who I'd never heard of nor had I heard of the piece in question.

*shrugs* Ended up settling on a piece where I showed excerpts from a diary/journal etc. that a guy was writing based on his own experiences with the supernatural, plus he had a screw lose. It was more a case of trying a piece of writing that allowed me to practise my language use and something that was different for me though.

Regardless, as I mentioned, it ended up being compared to other stories out there.

The fact of the matter is that I really do believe there's nothing really original out there anymore. When I write something, I try to make each piece different from the last. But that is mainly down to the style I use to portray a piece, plus the different story content and how something's told. I don't sit down and worry about whether a piece has ever been done before or not. Admittedly, I do try and avoid certain fantasy tropes though and I do like fantasy stories.

I know it's off-topic, but that's my perspective as someone who would like to make a living someday with writing. And I have been practising for quite a few years now. I just haven't sent anything off.

I hear you. I adapted Baldur's Gate game as a fanfiction novel (3 books and still counting, hopefuly 10 in total). I am also proud to say that aside the main plot and setting, everything is my creation. And I always said that it was an adaptation. If WOC had given me OK I would have asked them publish it. I did not change names or pretend it was totally new.

I also tried to start something totally original. I was too young then and it did not get anywhere. I do not mind similarities nor I deny the difficulty of creating something new. In modern era we are not isolated enough to be pioneering creators of past (Hugo, Tolstoy, Newton, Kant and even they read what came before).

But there is a difference between ripping off and similarities. I think in this case, they went far from just being inspired. And when that source of inspiration gone we saw that they were not creative enough by themselves (ME2 and ME3).

Video game writing is team work but artistic creations are individual. Team work is for business world only. Michalangelo, Leonardo, Petrarca, Einstein, Rembrandt... These were indivudual artists. Art and genius are not about industrial team work. I don't mind inspiration but this... a bunch of people are making a lot of money out there. That is it.

[DifferentD17]

Aargh12 wrote...

And the endings are take straight from Deus Ex (the first one) which was also Ion Storms doing afaik.

I was just about to say that.

[Midz]

They must have played a different Anachronox to me ..any SF will have similarities .

At the time remember was called a rip off of Blade runner Gibson with sherlock holmes thrown in

and a lot of Square Enix . .
As with many commentries on BW am reminded most of this quote " any lie repeated often enough will inevitably become the truth " ...Goebbels

did i godwin the thread ....

[lobi]

Midz wrote...

They must have played a different Anachronox to me ..any SF will have similarities .

At the time remember was called a rip off of Blade runner Gibson with sherlock holmes thrown in

and a lot of Square Enix . .
As with many commentries on BW am reminded most of this quote " any lie repeated often enough will inevitably become the truth " ...Goebbels

did i godwin the thread ....

Could have attributed to Lenin or JFK, but noooo.........

Modifié par lobi, 02 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[Obro]

Actually it's ripping off Master of Orion

[Halo Quea]

Garrus30 wrote...

Not again this Avatar ripped of from Pocahontas discussion crap.

So what? Many Games, Movies and other stuff are ripped of from other (older) stuff, hence it brings much more attention to this game (which I never ever heard about it).

That doesn't make it right though.  At the very least it reveals a lack of creativity.

[Rob_K1]

Ksandor wrote...

I hear you. I adapted Baldur's Gate game as a fanfiction novel (3 books and still counting, hopefuly 10 in total). I am also proud to say that aside the main plot and setting, everything is my creation. And I always said that it was an adaptation. If WOC had given me OK I would have asked them publish it. I did not change names or pretend it was totally new.

I also tried to start something totally original. I was too young then and it did not get anywhere. I do not mind similarities nor I deny the difficulty of creating something new. In modern era we are not isolated enough to be pioneering creators of past (Hugo, Tolstoy, Newton, Kant and even they read what came before).

But there is a difference between ripping off and similarities. I think in this case, they went far from just being inspired. And when that source of inspiration gone we saw that they were not creative enough by themselves (ME2 and ME3).

Video game writing is team work but artistic creations are individual. Team work is for business world only. Michalangelo, Leonardo, Petrarca, Einstein, Rembrandt... These were indivudual artists. Art and genius are not about industrial team work. I don't mind inspiration but this... a bunch of people are making a lot of money out there. That is it.

Admittedly, I hadn't read the initial link provided by the OP, as I wasn't speaking about Mass Effect, but rather in general terms.

I will admit that there does seem to be a lot borrowed from Anachronox now that I've read the link provided by the OP.

However, at the same time, I see that Star Control 3 has also been mentioned and that was released (or not released) before Anachronox according to the wikipedia entries. So, where is the line drawn?

I haven't played Star Control or Anachronox. But would it be fair of me to say that Anachronox copied Star Control and Mass Effect copied Anachronox?

Modifié par Rob_K1, 02 mars 2012 - 01:41 .

[Jaxtar]

So if Anachronox 2 and 3 had come would ME3 ending have been better?
Why didn't hey make them fo all the me3 fans:pinched:

[Jaxtar]

lobi wrote...

In Bioware's classic melodramatic game noir of murder and deceit ME3, Commander Shepards squad mate and LI Liara Tsoni shoots Garrus Vakarian six times as he staggers out of a Mako on the grounds of a Prothian ruin.
Later when Tsoni describes the killing, she implies that the murder was justifiable self-defense against a man intent on violating her.
An incriminating letter later surfaces and reveals her real motives (she was desperately in love with Garrus).
Liara is blackmailed for 10,000 credits by Garrus's Quarian widow (Tali vas Normandy) who also demands a personal apology.
The ultimate revenge comes in the game's conclusion, when she admits to her long-suffering Partner (Shepard): "With all my heart, I still love the man I killed!". Tsoni is stabbed to death soon afterwards by the flash of a omniblade in the vengeful hand of retribution-seeking Tali on a moonlit night in the Shadow Brokers base.

i lol'ed

[Niclas.Forsblom]

I guess I still enjoy games, movies and books that "steal, copy and are inspired" from other sources. I guess it also comes down to how the stories are being told, and in my opionion, Bioware does a great job at that

Now, I haven't played any of the games you mention, so I can't say how I would feel if I had, so that's also something to consider.

[Ksandor]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

I hear you. I adapted Baldur's Gate game as a fanfiction novel (3 books and still counting, hopefuly 10 in total). I am also proud to say that aside the main plot and setting, everything is my creation. And I always said that it was an adaptation. If WOC had given me OK I would have asked them publish it. I did not change names or pretend it was totally new.

I also tried to start something totally original. I was too young then and it did not get anywhere. I do not mind similarities nor I deny the difficulty of creating something new. In modern era we are not isolated enough to be pioneering creators of past (Hugo, Tolstoy, Newton, Kant and even they read what came before).

But there is a difference between ripping off and similarities. I think in this case, they went far from just being inspired. And when that source of inspiration gone we saw that they were not creative enough by themselves (ME2 and ME3).

Video game writing is team work but artistic creations are individual. Team work is for business world only. Michalangelo, Leonardo, Petrarca, Einstein, Rembrandt... These were indivudual artists. Art and genius are not about industrial team work. I don't mind inspiration but this... a bunch of people are making a lot of money out there. That is it.

Admittedly, I hadn't read the initial link provided by the OP, as I wasn't speaking about Mass Effect, but rather in general terms.

I will admit that there does seem to be a lot borrowed from Anachronox now that I've read the link provided by the OP.

However, at the same time, I see that Star Control 3 has also been mentioned and that was released before Anachronox according to the wikipedia entries. So, where is the line drawn?

I haven't played Star Control or Anachronox. But would it be fair of me to say that Anachronox copied Star Control and Mass Effect copied Anachronox?

I think Bioware should answer that question, and honestly... We do not draw the line. They do.

[Ksandor]

Jaxtar wrote...

So if Anachronox 2 and 3 had come would ME3 ending have been better?
Why didn't hey make them fo all the me3 fans:pinched:

Actually the blog writer was mocking Bioware. I don't take that litteraly.