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[ReveurIngenu]

I'm asking the mods to not close this topic despite there already being a topic on Cortez.  It's just that people keep posting spoilers in the character topics (like actual dialogue, pictures, videos, etc) and I don't want to see that. 

I have been hearing according to those having seen the Cortez "sex" scene that Cortez looks like he's black.  When I saw him in the demo, I just thought he looked Latino or something.  But people are pretty clear when they say he looks black, certain who don't follow the game as closely convinced that they were watching a black man.  Is Cortez supposed to be black or half black or something?

I was just wondering just how black he looks, if he's Jacob black or black but not that black black.

Please don't post any spoilers aside from what I'm asking!

[breyant]

The video you are talking about, he is definitely darker than Jacob and Anderson, sometimes so dark all you can see are his eyes. It really just looks like bad video quality/ shadow settings. I doubt they'd change a character like that between the demo and release.

[ElitePinecone]

It looks like video lighting issues, yeah.

In other pictures and videos we've seen, his complexion wasn't that dark.

[ReveurIngenu]

Wow, darker than Jacob. If Shepard still looks like a white Shepard, then it can't only be because of bad lighting that Cortez looks so dark; I think Cortez is supposed to be some kind of Dominican Republic black latino or something.

Anyway, I'll probably be sticking with Kaidan in that case. Thanks.

[Frozen83]

Ummm, what? No one smells that? Just me? M.

[mawdudi]

i am very proud. even during these dark prerealease whine times people remember to be politically correct and not use the N word.

and yes, he is as black as michael jackson was in early 80s

[SolidBeast]

It's just personal preference, Frozen.

[android654]

mawdudi wrote...

i am very proud. even during these dark prerealease whine times people remember to be politically correct and not use the N word.

and yes, he is as black as michael jackson was in early 80s

Nah, he's like Wesley Snipes. I think it's mostly lighting though. On the normady he has a chesnut color and during his sex scene is where he's blacked out.

[Asenza]

There are Avian-esque aliens with mandibles and reptile/aquatic aliens and aliens with chicken feet and only three fingers to a hand as romance options.

But a non-white man, a few hundred years in the future?

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!

Modifié par Asenza, 02 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[Youknow]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

Wow, darker than Jacob. If Shepard still looks like a white Shepard, then it can't only be because of bad lighting that Cortez looks so dark; I think Cortez is supposed to be some kind of Dominican Republic black latino or something.

Anyway, I'll probably be sticking with Kaidan in that case. Thanks.

What do you mean by  "in that case?" 

Modifié par Youknow, 02 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[obtuse4ngle]

Youknow wrote...

What do you mean by  "in that case?" 

I'm hearing Tropic Thunder in my head.
What do YOU mean by "in that case?"

Asenza wrote...

There are Avian-esque aliens with
mandibles and reptile/acquatic aliens and aliens with chicken feet and
only three fingers to a hands as romance options.

But a non-white man, a few hundred years in the future?

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!

Humans are white.
Ah yes, "people of color." Races of people who allegedly possess varying degrees of non-"white" ancestry. We have dismissed that claim.

Modifié par obtuse4ngle, 02 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Kemmer]

It looked more like a lighting issue. Other pics of him point toward a multiracial background, including blue eyes in one shot that makes him look like a relative of Wentworth Miller.  Aside from that, Cortez has a great voice.

Modifié par Kemmer, 02 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[Celtic Latino]

My issue is does it matter?

Why does every love interest have to be white in BioWare games? Let's see they already have....Morrigan, Kaidan, Alistair, Leliana, Merrill, Fenris, Jaheira, Aerie, Ashley, Kelly, Miranda, Jack etc.....

If he is Dominican/Black Latino I'll just say finally! Let's just hope he didn't get the afterthought romance treatment like Jacob did.

Not saying that people HAVE to romance someone who is, but playing many BioWare games I'll admit seeing every love interest be white (black/red haired Caucaisan girl or fair haired white dude) gets tiring. Other people play BioWare games besides the main targeted demographic ya know. I just hope if he is he isn't given the stereotypical bad romance treatment that Isabela, Jacob, and Zevran got (the traditional 'promiscuous loveless minority that's purely a sex act while all those who are fair are the true romance' gig-kinda hard not to see the racist implication there). 

Sorry it had to be a little personal but this thread kinda got to me. <_<

Modifié par Celtic Latino, 02 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Kemmer]

From the little we've seen so far, I'd say Steve is far from a stereotype. He doesn't come off as a campy gay sidekick. He doesn't have an accent that screams "look, my last name is CORTEZ and I am a Latin lover!" He's a shuttle pilot who just happens to be non-white and into dudes. Some people didn't like the dialogue, but I found it to be awkward in a cute way. Not everyone can be totally smooth when chatting up someone they're into. Failing at flirting can be rather endearing at times.

Modifié par Kemmer, 02 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Celtic Latino]

Kemmer wrote...

From the little we've seen so far, I'd say Steve is far from a stereotype. He doesn't come off as a campy gay sidekick. He doesn't have an accent that screams "look, my last name is CORTEZ and I am a Latin lover!" He's a shuttle pilot who just happens to be non-white and into dudes. Some people didn't like the dialogue, but I found it to be awkward in a cute way. Not everyone can be totally smooth when chatting up someone they're into. Failing at flirting can be rather endearing at times.

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Well that's good to hear . I think Zevran filled that Latin horndog-lover archetype, as much as I love Zev (and Izzie too as the 'she' version of him), he doesn't need to apply for every latin based character. 

If he's cute and awkward...well that just gains my vote! 

[100k]

Spoiler

Too bad Jacob, perhaps the least respected, easily least popular, most well rounded character in the entire series gets shafted by Walters in ME3. Whether BW is racist (which I doubt) or just wanted to pander to the crowds that didn't romance Jacob, he really gets the short end of the stick.

[Celtic Latino]

100k wrote...

Spoiler

Too bad Jacob, perhaps the least respected, easily least popular, most well rounded character in the entire series gets shafted by Walters in ME3. Whether BW is racist (which I doubt) or just wanted to pander to the crowds that didn't romance Jacob, he really gets the short end of the stick.

I doubt BioWare intends to be racist but there's plenty of undertones. 

Mass Effect is supposed to be set where the races have mixed in for the most part. Yet most of the major characters, such as the poster boy Sheploo (blue eyes, fair skin and all), Miranda, Jack, Kaidan, Ashley, Kelly, Dr. Chakwas, pretty much almost everyone is pretty white with the exception of many antagonists (Jeong the evil corrupt while lily-white Juliana and Lizbeth Baynham is 'good', Zaeed the fair skinned mercenary against Vido the latino rival, Kai Leng as Asian, etc...). Plus all the romance options are white with the exception of aliens...and Jacob. And Jacob's pretty much been relegated to a sleazy sex object despite the opportunity for a much better developed romance. 

For a universe that's supposed to be the contrary, its awfully convienient how everyone is white unless they're an antagonist of some sort (or a secondary character like Kasumi). 

I could forgive Dragon Age, yet the few represented minorities in Dragon Age are exact caricatures of traditional stereotypes. Zevran the latin-horn dog, Isabela the dark skinned sex object...while all the 'good, loyal' romances are fair-haired and skinned (Alistair, Anders, Leliana). Even if the universe is set off of Celtic, Norse and Anglo-Saxon lore (which I could understand why the lack of minorities), at least keep what few dark skinned characters there are off every trope imaginable. 

Hate to say it but I do think BioWare, while it may not be their intention, has plenty of racism. And I'm not trying to change this thread or cry foul but I see it for what it is. 

Modifié par Celtic Latino, 02 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[Kemmer]

Celtic Latino, they're doing a little better in this game with the addition of Samantha and Steve .

Modifié par Kemmer, 02 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Celtic Latino]

Kemmer wrote...

Celtic Latino, they're doing a little better in this game with the addition of Samantha and Steve .

Agreed . I hate sounding like 'that guy', but I can't help it because of my experience with previous games. But I agree they're off to a great start. I have hope for BioWare trust me 

[Shinobu]

Celtic Latino wrote...

100k wrote...

Spoiler

Too bad Jacob, perhaps the least respected, easily least popular, most well rounded character in the entire series gets shafted by Walters in ME3. Whether BW is racist (which I doubt) or just wanted to pander to the crowds that didn't romance Jacob, he really gets the short end of the stick.

I doubt BioWare intends to be racist but there's plenty of undertones. 

Mass Effect is supposed to be set where the races have mixed in for the most part. Yet most of the major characters, such as the poster boy Sheploo (blue eyes, fair skin and all), Miranda, Jack, Kaidan, Ashley, Kelly, Dr. Chakwas, pretty much almost everyone is pretty white with the exception of many antagonists (Jeong the evil corrupt while lily-white Juliana and Lizbeth Baynham is 'good', Zaeed the fair skinned mercenary against Vido the latino rival, Kai Leng as Asian, etc...). Plus all the romance options are white with the exception of aliens...and Jacob. And Jacob's pretty much been relegated to a sleazy sex object despite the opportunity for a much better developed romance. 

For a universe that's supposed to be the contrary, its awfully convienient how everyone is white unless they're an antagonist of some sort (or a secondary character like Kasumi). 

I could forgive Dragon Age, yet the few represented minorities in Dragon Age are exact caricatures of traditional stereotypes. Zevran the latin-horn dog, Isabela the dark skinned sex object...while all the 'good, loyal' romances are fair-haired and skinned (Alistair, Anders, Leliana). Even if the universe is set off of Celtic, Norse and Anglo-Saxon lore (which I could understand why the lack of minorities), at least keep what few dark skinned characters there are off every trope imaginable. 

Hate to say it but I do think BioWare, while it may not be their intention, has plenty of racism. And I'm not trying to change this thread or cry foul but I see it for what it is. 

I kind of get this vibe, too. Jacob's LM struck me as a pretty stereotypical "black sexual predator" setup that I found distasteful. Al Jilani and Udina don't help. On the other hand, we do get Gianna Parasini, Alicia (? The woman in charge of defense at Zhu's Hope), Emily Wong, Kasumi and Admiral Anderson. I always thought Kaidan was mixed race. I think Bioware is trying hard not to be racist but may subconsciously play into stereotypes.

@ OP, why does it matter to you? Talk to the guy and see if you like him.

[Kemmer]

Shinobu wrote...

I always thought Kaidan was mixed race. 

Yeah, with the Ukrainian last name + being born in Singapore, I assumed he was Ukrainian/Asian.  I know plenty of hapa guys that have a similar look.  As for Bioware and racism, as a company they've done a lot better than most.  This doesn't mean your critique is invalid, I'm just more of a glass half-full kind of guy .

Modifié par Kemmer, 02 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Dr. rotinaj]

Youknow wrote...

ReveurIngenu wrote...

Wow, darker than Jacob. If Shepard still looks like a white Shepard, then it can't only be because of bad lighting that Cortez looks so dark; I think Cortez is supposed to be some kind of Dominican Republic black latino or something.

Anyway, I'll probably be sticking with Kaidan in that case. Thanks.

What do you mean by  "in that case?" 

 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh my goodness, that was the funniest thing I've read in a while. Also, I died when I saw the serious expression on the Jacob avatar.