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Rane7685

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 A lot has been suggested that there are consequences for cheating on your ME1 LI. Ive also noticed people playing paragon feel they cant romance anyone because it isnt 'paragon' enough. But is it really cheating?

Think about it, on Horizon I would consider that a breakup, or if not you clearly arent dating or anything. Even Liara (if she is your LI) says its been 2 years she doesnt consider you dating you actually have to re-kindle the relationship (not that that is particular difficult). 

It seems weird that Ash (or Kaiden) would be pissed/ hurt that you slept (dated?) someone else when you were single.

This idea of staying loyal to your ME1 LI is like saying I cant sleep with anyone else because I want to be faithful to my ex. It is a bit bizarre

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Modifié par Rane7685, 02 mars 2012 - 03:01 .


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Well, I think one of the problems with the concept is that Bioware never made it really explicit what "cheating" meant. On my first playthrough, when Kaiden dumped me on Horizon and my Shep was pretty upset, she moped for a bit. Then she started hanging out with Garrus and things went in an interesting direction. I never thought of it as cheating, as Kaiden had very clearly broken up with Shepard. Kaiden had also been seeing someone else. He said in the email that it was nothing serious, but it is something to consider. Is Kaiden allowed to have other romantic interests and Shepard is not? That seems unfair. He never says explicitly that he's going to stop seeing the doctor (though it's implied). There wasn't a promise, just a maybe, so long as Shepard turned out to be the same person Shepard was before.

Then again, the Devs defined that as "cheating" and said "there would be consequences" for it. So, I don't know? We'll see in ME3?

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Rane7685 wrote...

This idea of staying loyal to your ME1 LI is like saying I cant sleep with anyone else because I want to be faithful to my ex. It is a bit bizarre

Thoughts?

True. But you can't just have sex on SR2. Or rather, you can with Jack but... Maybe Kelly, but still... Or you can just before the last mission, and then you must either kill your lover or tell them to get lost. There is no REAL "this is just sex" option on SR2 (unfortunately)... I always thought that ME needs Blooming Rose or Pearl :). Azure on Illium, but with real taxi access!
P.S. I'm afraid of Liara, so my Shep doesn't cheat on her during ME2, she know everything and can do nasty things...

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Doesn't matter. They all die/get stranded/forced to be a breeding machine after the ending.

For ALL the endings.

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Omg, could you shut it. Seriously, it's hard enough remaining unspoiled by avoiding the threads that are about this, but you guys are dragging your whining into every thread you frequent. I don't care what the ending are, and I didn't want to know. Go back to the original thread and have a good cry in there, leave the rest of us to just enjoy the last few days unspoiled and excited.Posted Image

On topic.

Honestly calling it cheating is a bit harsh. It's not like Shep, Kaidan, or Ashley are falling all over themselves to mend bridges. I can understand Kaidans/Ashleys hurt, a little. But Horizone is obviously a "we're on a break deal" and if you move on during the break I don't call it cheating. Unless you plan on going back to them, cause if you still love/want them but are leading a ME2 squaddie on... I think thats cheating emotionally. I think.  I dunno, I just know that moving on in ME2 doesn't look like cheating, it doesn't sound like cheating, so the chances are it's not cheating.

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Im really hoping that isnt the ending doesnt sound right but even still its a pretty dick move

Back to topic

It seems Im not alone here. It's weird right I mean some awkwardness would be ok (seeing an ex after a time a part always is) but surely the ME1 LIs cant be angry at us. I dont know I'm all for consequences for my actions but the hint we are getting from devs is you'll have to face up to your cheating... but I dont think I did anything wrong

Modifié par Rane7685, 02 mars 2012 - 03:15 .


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Rane7685 wrote...

 A lot has been suggested that there are consequences for cheating on your ME1 LI. Ive also noticed people playing paragon feel they cant romance anyone because it isnt 'paragon' enough. But is it really cheating?

Think about it, on Horizon I would consider that a breakup, or if not you clearly arent dating or anything. Even Liara (if she is your LI) says its been 2 years she doesnt consider you dating you actually have to re-kindle the relationship (not that that is particular difficult). 

It seems weird that Ash (or Kaiden) would be pissed/ hurt that you slept (dated?) someone else when you were single.

This idea of staying loyal to your ME1 LI is like saying I cant sleep with anyone else because I want to be faithful to my ex. It is a bit bizarre

Thoughts?


You are aware hat Ash/Kaidan sends you a message later on saying that they were really sorry and that they still love you, right?

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I wouldn't be surprised if there is some tension, I mean it's never fun to feel like your rubbing a new relationship in the face of an old flame. Moreover, when said old flame is single and alone. I get a little thrill at the thought of them having a little argument over my Shep, just a little one, so I do hope it's brought up, I just hope if they bring it up to Shep she can friends/Ross it up and start crowing "We were on a break!" Also that she wants to stay with her ME2 love bug.

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AcidGlow wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

 A lot has been suggested that there are consequences for cheating on your ME1 LI. Ive also noticed people playing paragon feel they cant romance anyone because it isnt 'paragon' enough. But is it really cheating?

Think about it, on Horizon I would consider that a breakup, or if not you clearly arent dating or anything. Even Liara (if she is your LI) says its been 2 years she doesnt consider you dating you actually have to re-kindle the relationship (not that that is particular difficult). 

It seems weird that Ash (or Kaiden) would be pissed/ hurt that you slept (dated?) someone else when you were single.

This idea of staying loyal to your ME1 LI is like saying I cant sleep with anyone else because I want to be faithful to my ex. It is a bit bizarre

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You are aware hat Ash/Kaidan sends you a message later on saying that they were really sorry and that they still love you, right?


No they send you an email saying their sorry, you just threw them, that they did love you and tthat  maybe after you're done we can evaluate where you stand as a couple. Also the fact that I am pretty sure you can't immediatly hood back up with them on the Normandy says that you are still broken up/on a break,

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I am but still even then I dont think it works. If you have ever broken up with someone you still love you will know what I mean. You might text/talk/ be friends. You may even say you still love each other (and it may be true) but you both know that you arent dating. You see other people. Even married couples do this sometimes, a trial separation where they see other people. In this case its been 2 years and they chose to remain apart on Horizon. As I said in my original post Liara doesnt think you are still dating. It needs to be rekindled.

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Frozen83 wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

This idea of staying loyal to your ME1 LI is like saying I cant sleep with anyone else because I want to be faithful to my ex. It is a bit bizarre

Thoughts?

True. But you can't just have sex on SR2. Or rather, you can with Jack but... Maybe Kelly, but still... Or you can just before the last mission, and then you must either kill your lover or tell them to get lost. There is no REAL "this is just sex" option on SR2 (unfortunately)... I always thought that ME needs Blooming Rose or Pearl :). Azure on Illium, but with real taxi access!
P.S. I'm afraid of Liara, so my Shep doesn't cheat on her during ME2, she know everything and can do nasty things...


Well since her sire is sort of confirmed and also makes threats like ripping out your spine and beating you with it and can fully well make it happen, I think that and worse will happen to Shep if she/he cheats on Liara and/or hruts her right? o.o'

I always had this thought in my head that's all..

My FemShep is a pure Paragon and never cheated, plus I always romance Liara :3

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Multiplayer optional LOL wrote...

Doesn't matter. They all die/get stranded/forced to be a breeding machine after the ending.

For ALL the endings.

Yeap, romances are useless.

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what ME2 defines as cheating is laughable - you can sleep with jack, kiss Miranda, have Kelly strip in your cabin, flirt with Samara, get lap dances in Omega, and get a kiss from Gianna and have Shiala flirt on you without any consequences...

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Multiplayer optional LOL wrote...

Doesn't matter. They all die/get stranded/forced to be a breeding machine after the ending.

For ALL the endings.


 you are a  a total loser - do you not know what a no spoilers is you  assclown

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bluewolv1970 wrote...

what ME2 defines as cheating is laughable - you can sleep with jack, kiss Miranda, have Kelly strip in your cabin, flirt with Samara, get lap dances in Omega, and get a kiss from Gianna and have Shiala flirt on you without any consequences...

Oh, I just realized something Posted Image... Asari don't need physical connection to bond with their mate, just mental. Shepard must have many blue babies in the galaxy, considering all the Asari that fondled him/her... M.

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I don't think the devs literally mean "cheat and it will have some dire consquences" but more like "if you decide to move on to another character it will come up in ME3". Which I personally like, nothing worse than have everyone pretend that nothing ever happened.

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After being dead in ME2 you start out with your old LI's picture on your desk. Even after Horizon and before you rekindled the flame in LotSB, the picture will stay up. To me that's evidence of Shepard thinking the relationship is still existent or can be fixed. Meaning (s)he's either cheating or dumb when going for a different relationship in between. If your LI feels the same is irrelevant, it's just sad if they don't.

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A lot has been suggested that there are consequences for cheating on your ME1 LI. Ive also noticed people playing paragon feel they cant romance anyone because it isnt 'paragon' enough. But is it really cheating?


It isn't cheating in any definition of the term. If it was Bioware's intention to put Shepard in a situation where he'd have to choose between staying faithful to a LI who only had a cameo in ME2 or 'cheating' with someone else, they didn't really execute it well. The way the story plays out Shepard is actually single going into Mass Effect 2.

Death tends to end relationships. Even marriage vows state, 'Till death do us part,' and Shepard was dead for two years. No one except Liara had any inkling that Shepard may have been brought back, and even then, the notion that Cerberus could actually pull it off would have seemed fairly far fetched. All the Mass Effect 1 LIs should have moved on to varying degrees. But even if they hadn't dated a person or two during that two year span, they all make it clear that they aren't interested in picking up where they left off with Shepard for varying reasons. Liara is the least confrontational of the ME1 love interests, but even she makes it clear that a lot has happened over the last two years and that she isn't interested (at that time, at least) of picking up where she left off with Shepard.

That leaves Shepard single in Mass Effect 2 regardless of who he or she romanced in Mass Effect 1, and last I checked, you have to be in a relationship to be unfaithful.

That being said, I have no issue with the ME1 LI acting jealous to varying degrees about ME2 romance options. People are often irrational creatures, and sometimes they get jealous for irrational reasons.

I just have an issue with it being defined as 'cheating' officially, when it clearly wasn't.

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I don't consider it cheating. Kaidan was an a**hole on Horizon, then sent that letter afterwards saying he tried to move on. My Shepard just didn't want to take his crap anymore and started chilling with Garrus, who has always respected her.

It's not cheating, Kaidan's just butt hurt.

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Han Shot First wrote...


A lot has been suggested that there are consequences for cheating on your ME1 LI. Ive also noticed people playing paragon feel they cant romance anyone because it isnt 'paragon' enough. But is it really cheating?


It isn't cheating in any definition of the term. If it was Bioware's intention to put Shepard in a situation where he'd have to choose between staying faithful to a LI who only had a cameo in ME2 or 'cheating' with someone else, they didn't really execute it well. The way the story plays out Shepard is actually single going into Mass Effect 2.

Death tends to end relationships. Even marriage vows state, 'Till death do us part,' and Shepard was dead for two years. No one except Liara had any inkling that Shepard may have been brought back, and even then, the notion that Cerberus could actually pull it off would have seemed fairly far fetched. All the Mass Effect 1 LIs should have moved on to varying degrees. But even if they hadn't dated a person or two during that two year span, they all make it clear that they aren't interested in picking up where they left off with Shepard for varying reasons. Liara is the least confrontational of the ME1 love interests, but even she makes it clear that a lot has happened over the last two years and that she isn't interested (at that time, at least) of picking up where she left off with Shepard.

That leaves Shepard single in Mass Effect 2 regardless of who he or she romanced in Mass Effect 1, and last I checked, you have to be in a relationship to be unfaithful.

That being said, I have no issue with the ME1 LI acting jealous to varying degrees about ME2 romance options. People are often irrational creatures, and sometimes they get jealous for irrational reasons.

I just have an issue with it being defined as 'cheating' officially, when it clearly wasn't.



I have a somewhat different take on it. While I did die, I never lost the desire for Ashley. I was stoked to see her, couldn't wait to meet up with her, she was the first person I asked Anderson about, but I had no way of getting in touch with her. Then I learn that she is on Horizon and my heart leaps for joy at the prospect of seeing her again. My will was set, the Collectors weren't going to get her no matter how many of them I had to kill.
 
I get to Horizon and fight through a ton of Collectors and a half dozen smart mouth Harbinger drones, activate the colony defenses and...I get my ass handed to me by the one person that I wanted to see above all others. She called me a traitor to my face, accused me of betraying her and Anderson, and even insulted my intelligence by suggesting that I was too stupid to know that I was being played. Frankly, it would have been kinder if she had just shot me and be done with it.
 
Adding insult to injury, she sent a crappy email semi-apology stating that she had changed and so had I. How the hell could she know that when she spoke to me for less than three and a half minutes? Is she psychic or did her little crystal ball tell her that? Maybe she has a divining rod crammed up her backside and that's how she knew. I saved her life for the third time, did she show any gratitude at all for my saving her from the Reapers and a gruesome fate? Nope, and she never even asked me what I was doing or where I was headed. She never asked how I was able to move while everybody else was frozen in place. She basically said "talk to the hand" and left.
 
I never left Ashley, she left me on Horizon. She left me because she didn't use her head and while she claimed to have loved me, how can you love someone that you don't even know? If anyone would have known who I was and what I stand for, it was her. We fought side by side to stop Saren and the Geth. We were lovers and before that we were friends. Now she doesn't even know me? Frankly, I don't even want her on my ship anymore because every time I look at her I get pissed off all over again. Hell, I don't even want to speak to her.
 
I don't know why the writers chose that experience for me and I don't care. From a players perspective, they made me feel a great deal of emotion and job well done. From Shepard's perspective he got run over by a truck and that's exactly how I am going to play him.
 
Cheating? I dare her to open her mouth about it.

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Does anyone know how love triangle works ? do they actually fight each other, or do they try to attract you to themselves ?
And I love triangles...:devil: 

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Shep gets no luck with LI's.

ME1 LI pretty much puts the end to it when you meet in ME2 (if it's the VS). Then it's not cheating if the relationship is done which it is. So Shep gets a new hookup in ME2 after that. Now unless that hookup was Tali or Garrus, the ME2 LI is going to be non-existent in ME3 but the ex is going to be back in Shep's face and probably laying some kind of guilt trip to getting someone else when the VS broke it off in the first place.

I think I might have my Shep ready to shoot Ash if she gives him issues over bonking Miranda after Ash turned her back on him. Shep's already in trouble for putting an entire system to waste because of Arrival, what's one more death to add to the list?

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I don't think Horizon was the end of Shepard and the VS, they definitely have unfinished emotional business to handle come ME3, so yes I would call Shepard's romance with an ME2 LI an affair.

Since a few posters have brought up Horizon, here's how I think the conversation about Cerberus could go between Renegade Shepard and Romanced Ashley.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 04 mars 2012 - 03:07 .


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I banged Liara and she was cool with me 'getting under Tali's helmet' after Shadow Broker. =D

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The 3rd game will know that you've cheated on your ME1 LI. I have two active careers in ME2; one is where I have stayed loyal to Ashley from ME1 and the other one is where I cheated on Ashley with Miranda. I did that to solve my problems with ME3.