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[Aesieru]

Tali was investigating that star that was aging too fast?

Modifié par Aesieru, 02 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[FJVP]

Spoilers (by In It For The Tank):

The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy on Haestom in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity (I know, I know) and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

It's completely different now, though. All the Dark Energy foreshadowing in ME2 doesn't really go anywhere anymore if I remember right.

Original post here (warning, contains many many more spoilers): http://forums.someth...40&pagenumber=4.

Modifié par FJVP, 02 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[Aesieru]

All I wanted to know was that it wasn't forgotten, but there's too many spoilers in that site for me to know if the current version finalizes the stuff about dark energy.

[FJVP]

No, it doesn't. It's completely thrown out of the window.

[Aesieru]

FJVP wrote...

No, it doesn't. It's completely thrown out of the window.

That's very disappointing, hopefully you're wrong in some capacity though.

[Unit-Alpha]

This was supposed to be how to get a decent ending.

They cut it.

[ElitePinecone]

Edit: Sorry, didn't know we were hiding spoilers in this forum... 

At one point it was the main plot point in the game, that's why ME2 had so much foreshadowing.

 If I recall correctly, the idea was that the Reapers were a desperate gambit by an ancient species who fused themselves with machines in order to become hugely intelligent, and solve the universe's problem of dark energy eating everything.

They wanted humans to become a Reaper because of Magical Human Genetic Diversity (pseudoscientitic nonsense ftw!), and because that would somehow allow them to stop dark energy from prematurely destroying the universe. Using humans was a last-ditch thing, because they were running out of time to stop the spread of dark energy.

The final choice was between destroying the Reapers (and hoping the organic species would find a way to stop dark energy) and letting humanity be sacrificed (i.e. made into a Reaper) to stop dark energy.

They obviously changed it - so as far as I know there aren't any references to dark energy in the third game, and the foreshadowing becomes a bit redundant.

(The above information comes from the user on the Something Awful forums who was leaking like a sieve for months, btw.)

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 02 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[AlphaJarmel]

So now ME2 is proven even more useless.

[Aesieru]

Apparently rewriting the Geth is not a peaceful move...

[Acrylium]

This would be an ending I would highly appreciate!

[Johnnycide]

In the end its kinda hilarious, I mean Tali's whole research team (plus or minus Reggar) died for absolutely no reason then.

[Legendaryred]

Johnnycide wrote...

In the end its kinda hilarious, I mean Tali's whole research team (plus or minus Reggar) died for absolutely no reason then.

Luls, yea.

[Hexedcoder]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This was supposed to be how to get a decent ending.

They cut it.

Is that a meme yet?

Johnnycide wrote...

In the end its kinda hilarious, I mean Tali's whole research team (plus or minus Reggar) died for absolutely no reason then.

Hilarious and dissapointing, they were psyching this up in the CDN posts as well...but, we'll see.

Modifié par Hexedcoder, 04 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[jellobell]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Edit: Sorry, didn't know we were hiding spoilers in this forum... 

At one point it was the main plot point in the game, that's why ME2 had so much foreshadowing.

 If I recall correctly, the idea was that the Reapers were a desperate gambit by an ancient species who fused themselves with machines in order to become hugely intelligent, and solve the universe's problem of dark energy eating everything.

They wanted humans to become a Reaper because of Magical Human Genetic Diversity (pseudoscientitic nonsense ftw!), and because that would somehow allow them to stop dark energy from prematurely destroying the universe. Using humans was a last-ditch thing, because they were running out of time to stop the spread of dark energy.

The final choice was between destroying the Reapers (and hoping the organic species would find a way to stop dark energy) and letting humanity be sacrificed (i.e. made into a Reaper) to stop dark energy.

They obviously changed it - so as far as I know there aren't any references to dark energy in the third game, and the foreshadowing becomes a bit redundant.

(The above information comes from the user on the Something Awful forums who was leaking like a sieve for months, btw.)

What?! But...but that's so much better than "reapers kill organics because they create synthetics that kill organics". The hell did they change it for? 

[Seboist]

Johnnycide wrote...

In the end its kinda hilarious, I mean Tali's whole research team (plus or minus Reggar) died for absolutely no reason then.

Yep, yet another plot point that goes absolutely nowhere.

[Aesieru]

jellobell wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Edit: Sorry, didn't know we were hiding spoilers in this forum... 

At one point it was the main plot point in the game, that's why ME2 had so much foreshadowing.

 If I recall correctly, the idea was that the Reapers were a desperate gambit by an ancient species who fused themselves with machines in order to become hugely intelligent, and solve the universe's problem of dark energy eating everything.

They wanted humans to become a Reaper because of Magical Human Genetic Diversity (pseudoscientitic nonsense ftw!), and because that would somehow allow them to stop dark energy from prematurely destroying the universe. Using humans was a last-ditch thing, because they were running out of time to stop the spread of dark energy.

The final choice was between destroying the Reapers (and hoping the organic species would find a way to stop dark energy) and letting humanity be sacrificed (i.e. made into a Reaper) to stop dark energy.

They obviously changed it - so as far as I know there aren't any references to dark energy in the third game, and the foreshadowing becomes a bit redundant.

(The above information comes from the user on the Something Awful forums who was leaking like a sieve for months, btw.)

What?! But...but that's so much better than "reapers kill organics because they create synthetics that kill organics". The hell did they change it for? 

Ahh this thread I made, back when I was curious and less wizened.

Um, that's not why the Reapers are doing that, you need more context and plot understanding to proper comprehend the situation.

[SilencedScream]

Johnnycide wrote...

In the end its kinda hilarious, I mean Tali's whole research team (plus or minus Reggar) died for absolutely no reason then.

This, pretty much.
It was supposed to lead into why the reapers kept coming around and wiping out civilizations, but then they altered it to the ending that it is now (synthetics kill organics so that organics don't build synthetics to kill organics).

[Nathan Redgrave]

jellobell wrote...

What?! But...but that's so much better than "reapers kill organics because they create synthetics that kill organics". The hell did they change it for? 

Possibly because everyone was whinging about how bad the former script was... you know, because everyone WAS whinging about it. Also, how the blooming hell does a human Reaper make any difference when it comes to halting the spread of dark energy? I just don't understand how that's supposed to work.

The basic concept behind the current ending is easy enough to understand. The dark energy thing, I'm confused about.

[Aesieru]

SilencedScream wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

In the end its kinda hilarious, I mean Tali's whole research team (plus or minus Reggar) died for absolutely no reason then.

This, pretty much.
It was supposed to lead into why the reapers kept coming around and wiping out civilizations, but then they altered it to the ending that it is now (synthetics kill organics so that organics don't build synthetics to kill organics).

http://social.biowar...ndex/9613255/14 

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

[DXLelouch15]

who in the blue hell scrapped that ending its good

[Pathero]

Any link to the original story?

[shin-zan]

SilencedScream wrote...

This, pretty much.
It was supposed to lead into why the reapers kept coming around and wiping out civilizations, but then they altered it to the ending that it is now (synthetics kill organics so that organics don't build synthetics to kill organics).

That's why they are the vilains though, the reapers/their creators are wrong and you aren't supposed to agree with them.

I think that's why they changed it, with the current stuff the reapers actions can't be justified as necesary or good.

[jellobell]

Aesieru wrote...

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

Which is stupid. There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. There are in turn hundreds of billions of Galaxies in the Universe, with more being created all the time as it expands. There is no way that organics would be able to use up a all of these resources before the heat death of the Universe. It's a non-issue.

Modifié par jellobell, 04 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[DarthCaine]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Possibly because everyone was whinging about how bad the former script was... you know, because everyone WAS whinging about it.

That wasn't in the leaked script. And there's no way in hell they'd remake all of that in just a few months. That whole "we're changing stuff" was complete BS, they didn't change anything.

The basic concept behind the current ending is easy enough to understand. The dark energy thing, I'm confused about.

Since BiowEAre is targetting Call of Duty fans, I'd say it's clear why they made the story with a dozen plot holes and a simple ending.

[SilencedScream]

shin-zan wrote...

SilencedScream wrote...

This, pretty much.
It was supposed to lead into why the reapers kept coming around and wiping out civilizations, but then they altered it to the ending that it is now (synthetics kill organics so that organics don't build synthetics to kill organics).

That's why they are the vilains though, the reapers/their creators are wrong and you aren't supposed to agree with them.

I think that's why they changed it, with the current stuff the reapers actions can't be justified as necesary or good.

Which makes them one-dimensional villains.
They're evil for the sake of being evil, for the sake of having someone to fight.

At least with dark matter, you find that they had an actual purpose that a solution needed to be found far.
As it stands, the only "solution" is a lot of explosions and gunfire to attract more of the shooter-crowd.