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[shin-zan]

SilencedScream wrote...


Which makes them one-dimensional villains.
They're evil for the sake of being evil, for the sake of having someone to fight.

At least with dark matter, you find that they had an actual purpose that a solution needed to be found far.
As it stands, the only "solution" is a lot of explosions and gunfire to attract more of the shooter-crowd.

Agree about them being one dimensional vilains. I think it works though, since the goal of the game is to wipe them out/stop them.

If the reapers were actually serving a function like "stop the universe from blowing up because dark energy" they could be justified as be a necesary evil.

[I_Jedi]

shin-zan wrote...

SilencedScream wrote...


Which makes them one-dimensional villains.
They're evil for the sake of being evil, for the sake of having someone to fight.

At least with dark matter, you find that they had an actual purpose that a solution needed to be found far.
As it stands, the only "solution" is a lot of explosions and gunfire to attract more of the shooter-crowd.

Agree about them being one dimensional vilains. I think it works though, since the goal of the game is to wipe them out/stop them.

If the reapers were actually serving a function like "stop the universe from blowing up because dark energy" they could be justified as be a necesary evil.

Playing the game start to finish would probably resolve the need of most people to bash bioware.

Modifié par I_Jedi, 04 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[xtorma]

It's real hard to make dark energy the villian. i mean , its an aspect of the universe , not something you can fight against with guns and starships. if the plot were about dark energy, then the whole game would have been about research , and that would be pretty boring.

[Aesieru]

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

Which is stupid. There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. There are in turn hundreds of billions of Galaxies in the Universe, with more being created all the time as it expands. There is no way that organics would be able to use up a all of these resources before the heat death of the Universe. It's a non-issue.

If we restrict our thinking to just the galaxy in this current universe because technology doesn't exist to travel the others yet, and we range an AI expansion over the course of 10 to 20 thousand years, it isn't that ridiculous.

[bandfred]

That ending is actually good. <_<

Modifié par bandfred, 04 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Johnnycide]

xtorma wrote...

It's real hard to make dark energy the villian. i mean , its an aspect of the universe , not something you can fight against with guns and starships. if the plot were about dark energy, then the whole game would have been about research , and that would be pretty boring.

"not something you can fight against with guns and starships" and then I realized you are a part of the crowd Bioware is now pandering to.

Modifié par Johnnycide, 04 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[I_Jedi]

xtorma wrote...

It's real hard to make dark energy the villian. i mean , its an aspect of the universe , not something you can fight against with guns and starships. if the plot were about dark energy, then the whole game would have been about research , and that would be pretty boring.

It's a great plot device regardless.

It's a shame they destroyed it.

[shin-zan]

If they went with the dark energy thing, they'd have to either leave it unresolved (We defeated the reapers! Dark energy is still going to destroy everything but oh well... based on It For The Tank's post this would have been the case) or make the game about stopping the spread of dark energy which would push the reapers out of the spotlight, and since they were build up as the main villains throughout the series, it would be a rather abrupt shift. They chose to keep the focus on the reapers rather than introduce a new threat at the last moment which wasn't a bad call I think.

Modifié par shin-zan, 04 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[xtorma]

Johnnycide wrote...

xtorma wrote...

It's real hard to make dark energy the villian. i mean , its an aspect of the universe , not something you can fight against with guns and starships. if the plot were about dark energy, then the whole game would have been about research , and that would be pretty boring.

"not something you can fight against with guns and starships" and then I realized you are a part of the crowd Bioware is now pandering to.

They evoloved the game into an rpg shooter, like it or not , thats the dorection they went. you should have known that with the changes they made between me1 and me2.

[I_Jedi]

shin-zan wrote...

If they went with the dark energy thing, they'd have to either leave it unresolved (We defeated the reapers! Dark energy is still going to destroy everything but oh well... based on It For The Tank's post this would have been the case) or make the game about stopping the spread of dark energy which would push the reapers out of the spotlight, and since they were build up as the main villains throughout the series, it would be a rather abrupt shift. They chose to keep the focus on the reapers rather than introduce a new threat at the last moment which wasn't a bad call I think.

Perhaps they could have retconned it. For example, they could have said that dark energy got the Reapers to the galaxy faster. But what's done is done.

[jellobell]

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

Which is stupid. There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. There are in turn hundreds of billions of Galaxies in the Universe, with more being created all the time as it expands. There is no way that organics would be able to use up a all of these resources before the heat death of the Universe. It's a non-issue.

If we restrict our thinking to just the galaxy in this current universe because technology doesn't exist to travel the others yet, and we range an AI expansion over the course of 10 to 20 thousand years, it isn't that ridiculous.

Current Universe, yes (there's only one); current Galaxy, not necessarily. The original creators of the Reapers also created the Mass Relays. Just expand the Relay network to encompass other Galaxies. Resource problem solved. All you're left with is the stupid synthetics killing organics excuse.

Modifié par jellobell, 04 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Treopod]

shin-zan wrote...

If they went with the dark energy thing, they'd have to either leave it unresolved (We defeated the reapers! Dark energy is still going to destroy everything but oh well... based on It For The Tank's post this would have been the case) or make the game about stopping the spread of dark energy which would push the reapers out of the spotlight, and since they were build up as the main villains throughout the series, it would be a rather abrupt shift. They chose to keep the focus on the reapers rather than introduce a new threat at the last moment which wasn't a bad call I think.

Dark energy will only be an issue in the far future, and the Reapers could have been carriers of the best organic minds and genetics to be able to more efficiently calculate a solution to the dark energy expansion.

And that makes them beyond our comprehension because we dont understand dark energy yet, and this storyline would have made another ending viable where we let the Reapers win and continue their cycle cause it would be for the future of the universe.

Destroying the Reapers here would on the other be viable for the organic races to take the matters in their own hands, creating their own fate and potentially figuring out a solution to stop dark energy themselves, afterall they have a long time limit to manage it.

[Heathen Pride]

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

[DarthCaine]

If the writers only learned to use wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia....anding_universe

[I_Jedi]

You guys know what this game reminds me of?

[OH-UP-THIS!]

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

Which is stupid. There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. There are in turn hundreds of billions of Galaxies in the Universe, with more being created all the time as it expands. There is no way that organics would be able to use up a all of these resources before the heat death of the Universe. It's a non-issue.

If we restrict our thinking to just the galaxy in this current universe because technology doesn't exist to travel the others yet, and we range an AI expansion over the course of 10 to 20 thousand years, it isn't that ridiculous.

Current Universe, yes (there's only one); current Galaxy, not necessarily. The original creators of the Reapers also created the Mass Relays. Just expand the Relay network to encompass other Galaxies. Resource problem solved. All you're left with is the stupid synthetics killing organics excuse.

This is the best you could come up with? SERIOUSLY? UGH!!

I have a teensie weensie bit of inside information you might find interesting..............other galaxies have life forms, utilizing the current resources, at their disposal.

[Canned Bullets]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This was supposed to be how to get a decent ending.

They cut it.

Yeah because some **** leaked the script and instead of keeping the ending because only a minority saw it they completely gutted it for a crap ending.

[Aesieru]

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

Which is stupid. There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. There are in turn hundreds of billions of Galaxies in the Universe, with more being created all the time as it expands. There is no way that organics would be able to use up a all of these resources before the heat death of the Universe. It's a non-issue.

If we restrict our thinking to just the galaxy in this current universe because technology doesn't exist to travel the others yet, and we range an AI expansion over the course of 10 to 20 thousand years, it isn't that ridiculous.

Current Universe, yes (there's only one); current Galaxy, not necessarily. The original creators of the Reapers also created the Mass Relays. Just expand the Relay network to encompass other Galaxies. Resource problem solved. All you're left with is the stupid synthetics killing organics excuse.

You realize you have to get to the other galaxies first? That'd take thousands of years at least.

[Treopod]

Heathen Pride wrote...

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

......It all seems so obvious now, even Bioware themselves probably realizes that they screwed up the storyline, possibly because of EA:s stupid influence.

i cant believe that EA might have ruined another franchise..

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Treopod wrote...

Heathen Pride wrote...

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

......It all seems so obvious now, even Bioware themselves probably realizes that they screwed up the storyline, possibly because of EA:s stupid influence.

i cant believe that EA might have ruined another franchise..

Oh wow, you don't get out much huh?

[jellobell]

ohupthis wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

Which is stupid. There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. There are in turn hundreds of billions of Galaxies in the Universe, with more being created all the time as it expands. There is no way that organics would be able to use up a all of these resources before the heat death of the Universe. It's a non-issue.

If we restrict our thinking to just the galaxy in this current universe because technology doesn't exist to travel the others yet, and we range an AI expansion over the course of 10 to 20 thousand years, it isn't that ridiculous.

Current Universe, yes (there's only one); current Galaxy, not necessarily. The original creators of the Reapers also created the Mass Relays. Just expand the Relay network to encompass other Galaxies. Resource problem solved. All you're left with is the stupid synthetics killing organics excuse.

This is the best you could come up with? SERIOUSLY? UGH!!

I have a teensie weensie bit of inside information you might find interesting..............other galaxies have life forms, utilizing the current resources, at their disposal.

It's nice that you're engaging in civil, reasoned argument and not being condecending at all.

There are new galaxies, stars, and planets being created every day. You can't seriously think that every single one of them is inhabited in the ME-verse. Even in the Milky Way there are hundrends of thousands of stars. Space is big; incomprehensibly big. An argument that hinges on the Universe at large running out of resources is ludicrous.

Aesieru wrote...
You realize you have to get to the other galaxies first? That'd take thousands of years at least.

The distance to the closest galaxy to the Milky Way, Canis Major, is only 25,000 light years. If the civillization that created the Mass Relays were able to seed them throughout this Galaxy (which is 100,000 light years across) then they should have no problem doing the same with others.

[xtorma]

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

It's more so that galactic extinction in a permanent basis with the removal of all resources on planets doesn't happen.

Which is stupid. There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way. There are in turn hundreds of billions of Galaxies in the Universe, with more being created all the time as it expands. There is no way that organics would be able to use up a all of these resources before the heat death of the Universe. It's a non-issue.

If we restrict our thinking to just the galaxy in this current universe because technology doesn't exist to travel the others yet, and we range an AI expansion over the course of 10 to 20 thousand years, it isn't that ridiculous.

Current Universe, yes (there's only one); current Galaxy, not necessarily. The original creators of the Reapers also created the Mass Relays. Just expand the Relay network to encompass other Galaxies. Resource problem solved. All you're left with is the stupid synthetics killing organics excuse.

You realize you have to get to the other galaxies first? That'd take thousands of years at least.

Actually i looked it up. the closest galaxy to us is only 25 ly away.

[ediskrad327]

so there WAS a decent ending? why didn't they go with this instead?

[joejoe099]

ediskrad327 wrote...

so there WAS a decent ending? why didn't they go with this instead?

because script was leaked and they wanted to change it so people wouldn't complain about knowing what was going to happen. same as every one is complaining on how bad the endings are now.

[I_Jedi]

ediskrad327 wrote...

so there WAS a decent ending? why didn't they go with this instead?

They wanted to include Joker getting severe post-traumatic disorder.

The idea is that he deliberately enters a relay and gets caught by the shockwave because he wants to take out as many people as he can. The Normandy crew will need to put him down after the crash so he doesn't try to take out anyone directly.

Modifié par I_Jedi, 05 mars 2012 - 01:06 .