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[Aesieru]

Getting to other galaxies is not easy, and without mass relays it is DEFINITELY not easy.

[Treopod]

joejoe099 wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

so there WAS a decent ending? why didn't they go with this instead?

because script was leaked and they wanted to change it so people wouldn't complain about knowing what was going to happen. same as every one is complaining on how bad the endings are now.

man.. i cant believe that the ending was ruined because of that leak...

But that logic doesnt even make sense, the people who would have seen the leaked script obviously wouldnt care about getting the ending spoiled, and those that did care about that would have avoided reading about it anyway so there was no need to change it...

[DarthCaine]

joejoe099 wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

so there WAS a decent ending? why didn't they go with this instead?

because script was leaked and they wanted to change it so people wouldn't complain about knowing what was going to happen. same as every one is complaining on how bad the endings are now.

BS. That ending wasn't in the script, everything in the leaked script and the final version is completely the same.

And there's no way in hell they'd remake all of that in just a few months. At that stage of development even the sligthest addition of anything new would have severly delayed the game. (and you can't have that with EA)

That whole "we're changing stuff" was complete marketing BS, they didn't change anything. It was just ****s that actually believed them
edit: oh wow, they censored out Вiоdrоnеs

Modifié par DarthCaine, 05 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[jellobell]

Aesieru wrote...

Getting to other galaxies is not easy, and without mass relays it is DEFINITELY not easy.

I never said it was easy, but for a race who created both the Reapers and the Mass Relays in the first place it is possible.

Besides, if you subscribe to the theory that every other galaxy will eventually host advanced organic life, then once all the resources are used up then the inhabitants of the Milky Way will die, but the organic life in other galaxies will continue to live until their time similarly ends. Repeat ad nauseum with an infinte number of galaxies as the universe continues to expand. Old galaxies are recycled into new ones with new resources and new species. When you think about it, the universe does the reapers' job for them. Organic life will thrive then die off no matter what the reapers do. 

Plus, the Milky Way is set to collide with the Andromeda galaxy in 3 billion years anyway, so preserving the galaxy's resources is kind of pointless.

[Aesieru]

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Getting to other galaxies is not easy, and without mass relays it is DEFINITELY not easy.

I never said it was easy, but for a race who created both the Reapers and the Mass Relays in the first place it is possible.

Besides, if you subscribe to the theory that every other galaxy will eventually host advanced organic life, then once all the resources are used up then the inhabitants of the Milky Way will die, but the organic life in other galaxies will continue to live until their time similarly ends. Repeat ad nauseum with an infinte number of galaxies as the universe continues to expand. Old galaxies are recycled into new ones with new resources and new species. When you think about it, the universe does the reapers' job for them. Organic life will thrive then die off no matter what the reapers do. 

Plus, the Milky Way is set to collide with the Andromeda galaxy in 3 billion years anyway, so preserving the galaxy's resources is kind of pointless.

Rapid transport to areas you're already at and can build at would be much easier than going to a place with the manufacturing ships or facilities and then building it there to link to the other place. I don't think other galaxies were explored and so they never had a means to them.

[jellobell]

Aesieru wrote...

Rapid transport to areas you're already at and can build at would be much easier than going to a place with the manufacturing ships or facilities and then building it there to link to the other place. I don't think other galaxies were explored and so they never had a means to them.

Very well, then let's say that they couldn't have made it to other galaxies. What is the point in preserving the Milky Way's resources? It's not like organic life is unique to our galaxy. Everything has to end some time. In 3 billion years when the Milky Way crashes into Andromeda it will create a whole new galaxy which will recycle all the resources that were prevously used and will make room for new life to form. In the end, even the reapers are small-scale in comparison to the universe.

[Aesieru]

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Rapid transport to areas you're already at and can build at would be much easier than going to a place with the manufacturing ships or facilities and then building it there to link to the other place. I don't think other galaxies were explored and so they never had a means to them.

Very well, then let's say that they couldn't have made it to other galaxies. What is the point in preserving the Milky Way's resources? It's not like organic life is unique to our galaxy. Everything has to end some time. In 3 billion years when the Milky Way crashes into Andromeda it will create a whole new galaxy which will recycle all the resources that were prevously used and will make room for new life to form. In the end, even the reapers are small-scale in comparison to the universe.

Better to prevent the collapse of society before it is meant to collapse.

Your reset for the Milky Way is similar to the reset the Reapers do.

[SovereignWillReturn]

Dark Energy Endings+All other Endings+Tengen Topp Gurren Lagann ending+Reapers Victory/End of Galaxy+

Should have been the full endings...instead we get the Blue/Green/Red Relays. Woo.

[jellobell]

Aesieru wrote...

Better to prevent the collapse of society before it is meant to collapse.

But they aren't preventing the collapse of society, they're just doing it themselves. Why go to all the trouble when the exact same thing is going to happen no matter what they do? They aren't preserving organic life, they're just resetting the galaxy earlier than would happen naturally. It's a waste of resources to create reapers to do a job that the universe does for itself in the long run.

[Raxxman]

This would be explained better if Reapers viewed themselves/were as the omega point of life. ie the final stage of evolution.

[jellobell]

Raxxman wrote...

This would be explained better if Reapers viewed themselves/were as the omega point of life. ie the final stage of evolution.

Which is what I thought the big revelation about the reapers' motives was going to be. :/

[xtorma]

Aesieru wrote...

Getting to other galaxies is not easy, and without mass relays it is DEFINITELY not easy.

the nearest galaxy to us is closer than the width of the milky way. it's been said that in the mass effect universe we can travel the length of the milky way in 27 years thats 30k ly. the nearest galaxy is closer to us than that.

whats to stop us? empty space?

[Aesieru]

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Better to prevent the collapse of society before it is meant to collapse.

But they aren't preventing the collapse of society, they're just doing it themselves. Why go to all the trouble when the exact same thing is going to happen no matter what they do? They aren't preserving organic life, they're just resetting the galaxy earlier than would happen naturally. It's a waste of resources to create reapers to do a job that the universe does for itself in the long run.

They aren't ending civilization, they are removing the problematic developed ones and allowing new developed ones 50k years of advancement until they inevitably make the same mistakes, as they do.

[Raxxman]

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Better to prevent the collapse of society before it is meant to collapse.

But they aren't preventing the collapse of society, they're just doing it themselves. Why go to all the trouble when the exact same thing is going to happen no matter what they do? They aren't preserving organic life, they're just resetting the galaxy earlier than would happen naturally. It's a waste of resources to create reapers to do a job that the universe does for itself in the long run.

They aren't ending civilization, they are removing the problematic developed ones and allowing new developed ones 50k years of advancement until they inevitably make the same mistakes, as they do.

Mistakes made because the Reapers shape and guide technical evolution.

[nocbl2]

The original ending seems better, but both of them are reeeeeaaaaally really dumb.

[Aesieru]

Raxxman wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Better to prevent the collapse of society before it is meant to collapse.

But they aren't preventing the collapse of society, they're just doing it themselves. Why go to all the trouble when the exact same thing is going to happen no matter what they do? They aren't preserving organic life, they're just resetting the galaxy earlier than would happen naturally. It's a waste of resources to create reapers to do a job that the universe does for itself in the long run.

They aren't ending civilization, they are removing the problematic developed ones and allowing new developed ones 50k years of advancement until they inevitably make the same mistakes, as they do.

Mistakes made because the Reapers shape and guide technical evolution.

According to ME3, the Protheans had an AI Rebellion, enslaved numerous races, and were totalitarian supremacists. 

Seems like they were a pretty bad thing.

[Raxxman]

that changes nothing, they were uplifted to a point of technical evolution beyond their level by the reapers. All prothean tech is retrofitted reaper tech.

If you want another ingame example, it's like what happened with the Krogen, they were advanced beyond their level and as a result they nearly wiped the galaxy out because their culture wasn't ready for the level of distruction they could now bring.

[jellobell]

Aesieru wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Better to prevent the collapse of society before it is meant to collapse.

But they aren't preventing the collapse of society, they're just doing it themselves. Why go to all the trouble when the exact same thing is going to happen no matter what they do? They aren't preserving organic life, they're just resetting the galaxy earlier than would happen naturally. It's a waste of resources to create reapers to do a job that the universe does for itself in the long run.

They aren't ending civilization, they are removing the problematic developed ones and allowing new developed ones 50k years of advancement until they inevitably make the same mistakes, as they do.

But if it's inevitable that the galaxy's organic life will eventually run out of steam and go extinct, then why not just let life run its course?

I respect that the reapers were probably created by Bioware to put a face to the horrifying idea that eventually everything we know and love, even the earth itself, will be destroyed. The reapers sort of lose their teeth when they are no longer beyond our comprehension.

[Arch1eviathan]

Tali is the pig. >.>

[evil-pineapples]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

who in the blue hell scrapped that ending its good

I know. I would have much preferred this ending! The whole bit about humanity being special due to their genetic diversity sounds kind of stupid, but at least the final choice wasn't so cruel.

Honestly, if BioWare makes a DLC to replace the current ending with this original ending, I'll be a happy camper. That's all they need to do to win me back.

[Smiley77]

I don't understand that ending. What exactly is it about being a reaper that helps in looking for a solution to the dark energy spread? And how are they going about looking for a solution when they're spending 50,000 years at a time in hibernation out in dark space?

[blind black]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

Tali is the pig. >.>

i heard about this but are there any pics?

Modifié par blind black, 05 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[evil-pineapples]

Smiley77 wrote...

I don't understand that ending. What exactly is it about being a reaper that helps in looking for a solution to the dark energy spread? And how are they going about looking for a solution when they're spending 50,000 years at a time in hibernation out in dark space?

It's not so much that the ending makes more sense. It's that the choice feels more in line with what Mass Effect is all about. You're essentially choosing between preserving the status quo at the expense of the future, or doing something horrific for the greater good. I like that kind of choice. It's not so arbitrarily cruel as the one we were given.

In answer to your question, I think it has something to do with maximizing organic intelligence. It's basically what happens in the Merge ending in the final game. Whoever created the Reapers felt that they'd have a better chance of being able to stop the dark energy if they broadened their minds, so to speak.

It's still kind of dumb, but it's better than what we got.

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 05 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[AlphaJarmel]

The best part I like about the original ending is that it would be so easy to branch off from there. You could have divergences if you choose the 'save humanity and research dark energy' such as Mordin leading the research team. You could easily factor in game choices to have a bunch of different endings.