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[Gibb_Shepard]

bboynexus wrote...

Gibb, please, why don't you liberate yourself from boundaries of definition of genre?

How can there be a genre without such definitions? 

Fine, forget what i said about the definitions of a Role-playing game. How about i put it more delicately, so as to not offend anyone who may believe genres should go without definitions. 

Without the customization of the most core part of a character, being motivations, one cannot Role-play in their Role-playing Ga.. Wait, sorry. In their game that is comprised of the ability to roleplay. Mass Effect has always allowed you to do this, and it still does, but it has now been severely limited.

Saying Mass EFfect has never allowed you to do this is plain false. Hell, in ME2 characters ask Shepard why he fights. If motivations were already instilled into the character, there would be no choice on our end. Yet, there was.

[OdanUrr]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Well I'm never saying that again.
Every time I say "its a demo its not a 100% indicator of what the game is" I end up regretting it.
This time I could've sworn someone involved in the development said it so I was convinced.

Did the "people running about" that we see in the ME3 demo make it into the game?

Modifié par OdanUrr, 06 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[phimseto]

bboynexus wrote...

Gibb, please, why don't you liberate yourself from boundaries of definition of genre?

He doesn't have to. He can just say that he wants to experience the final game with the same latitude of control as he did in ME1 and ME2. Now he can't, and for many, that isn't just a problem, but a betrayal of the promise that got them invested (and investing in) the series to begin with.

[Chrumpek]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

You know, I was just starting to be optimistic about the dialogue. Having just watched about 3-4 hours of content after Sur'kesh, I think it's accurate to say that 99% of the dialogue is in fact automatic. Shepard is his/her own person now. The only dialogue choices that come up are for big plot decisions, like will you do this or now, or who's going to download the data, squadmate 1 or 2. Occasionally you'll get some prompts to express your feelings on the war, are you optimistic or do you feel like its a lost fight. THAT'S IT. Shepard interacts with different squadmates and forced friendships are in full force this time around. You barely, and I mean barely, get to choose dialogue in this game. 99% dialogue is not an exaggeration. If you don't believe me, look at the YouTube playthroughs yourself. Just when I thought it would get better later in the game, it doesn't at all. I'm so disappointed right now. To do such an atrocious act at the end of the trilogy is unprecedented. They had no reason to do this at all except to appease the people complaining about having to choose too much dialogue, sad thing is they were in the minority.

The biggest disappointment is creating a character in the first two games only to see them ripped right out of your hands in the third. This is ridiculous. Last game I purchase from them. They've stuck it to the fans one last time for me. I turned the cheek with DA2, and looked the other way, but I'm all out of cheeks.

-Polite

quoting the sad truth

[Bigdoser]

Since I live in the UK I won't be getting the game until Friday I watched a stream of the game dansgaming. For me there is too much auto dialogue heck even the streamer picked up on this and was rather disappointed as well. It seems to me lately that bioware are kinda dropping the ball with their games I mean importing is kinda screwed right now and all this auto dialogue does not help either.

[TheRealJayDee]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

The biggest disappointment is creating a character in the first two games only to see them ripped right out of your hands in the third. This is ridiculous. Last game I purchase from them. They've stuck it to the fans one last time for me. I turned the cheek with DA2, and looked the other way, but I'm all out of cheeks.

-Polite

If it is as bad as it seems, yeah, no more cheeks from me either. So very disappointing...

[joe1852]

lol have fun complaining im gonna go play my game

[Wulfram]

I think there are games which offer less dialogue choice than ME3 that are normally characterised as CRPGs. Unfortunately, RPG as a computer gaming term is usually more about mechanical customisation of the character in combat than about customisation of them as a person.

edit: So I don't think it's useful to characterise our complaints in terms of this not being an RPG.  People would just think we're crazy and point out that you've got more choice in power evolutions and equipment.

Modifié par Wulfram, 06 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Teh Chozen Wun]

If ME3 didn't incorporate what has been the norm for the past two games such as being able to choose most of your responses, then is it staying true to the series? Its hard to say yes because "Choice" has been the core selling point of the series.

[phimseto]

Teh Chozen Wun wrote...

If ME3 didn't incorporate what has been the norm for the past two games such as being able to choose most of your responses, then is it staying true to the series? Its hard to say yes because "Choice" has been the core selling point of the series.

Lol, you win the latest award for "best summation of previous X number of pages"! That is the argument in a nutshell.

[granyte]

i never said anything but i'm watching a stream atm and god damnit the zaeedified crew suck and auto dialog is bullcrap no more shades of grey anymore

[Lucy Glitter]

One hundred pages.

*headdesk*

Teh Chozen Wun wrote...

If ME3 didn't incorporate what has been the norm for the past two games such as being able to choose most of your responses, then is it staying true to the series? Its hard to say yes because "Choice" has been the core selling point of the series.

Indeed.

[Jenaimarre]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

One hundred pages.

*headdesk*

Teh Chozen Wun wrote...

If ME3 didn't incorporate what has been the norm for the past two games such as being able to choose most of your responses, then is it staying true to the series? Its hard to say yes because "Choice" has been the core selling point of the series.

Indeed.

[xLetalis]

The demo however seemed to have better display of emotion and connected lines between the characters in the conversation... that has to count for something

[Slayerfar]

Replay value in ME2, to me, was all about trying new classes and getting insanely high Paragon/Renegade scores. Gathering up all those tiny droplets of P/R score was fun to me, and if they coalence 15 +2 Paragons into 1 +30 Paragon, then the game has lost a truckload of appeal to me.
Being european, I reserve the right to judge myself, but to me, the finest moment in ME2 is the Paragon move, where you hug Talia aboard the Geth infested lab ship, having just discovered her dead father. Cheesy as it may be to some, to me it exemplifies humane behaviour, in a combat zone and it is neither forced, nor out of place. It is quite simply good storytelling.

[phimseto]

xLetalis wrote...

The demo however seemed to have better display of emotion and connected lines between the characters in the conversation... that has to count for something

Nope. Just replayed ME2 and the differences between it and 3 are stark. I had conversations in me2 that felt right. In me3 I watch conversations more often than not, and it feels completely wrong.

[bboynexus]

How the **** do you cope in other games where you DON'T get the option, then?

Do those 'feel wrong'?

I want you to think about this. Be introspective about it.

[SirSmokesAlotssss]

I am really disappointed to hear this. I am not sure if I will be getting ME3 now.

[xLetalis]

100+ pages of opinions w/o seeing the majority of the game ... we made our own fox news report

[Dave of Canada]

bboynexus wrote...

How the **** do you cope in other games where you DON'T get the option, then?

Do those 'feel wrong'?

I want you to think about this. Be introspective about it.

Poor analogy is GO.

Someone can live content with their lot without something provided they're not giving it to them first and then have it taken away shortly afterward. It's like ordering pizza from a store you like and then finding out they don't serve the same pizza anymore, you could try the other things on the menu but you're only interested in the pizza they used to make.

xLetalis wrote...

100+ pages of opinions w/o seeing the majority of the game ... we made our own fox news report

Except some of us have.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[dreman9999]

Did anyone in this topic play the full game?
You get mounts of dialogue to choose from.I just got past the citadel...Massive amount of dialogue choices was in it.

[Jaron Oberyn]

It's sad that people are trying to defend this by saying we never had control of Shepard anyway. They're wrong, because we can roleplay significantly different shepards in the first two games and keep them consistent, but me3 forces us into a canon Shepard. Stop making false excuses please and just accept that fact.


-Polite

[Aesandil]

bboynexus wrote...

How the **** do you cope in other games where you DON'T get the option, then?

Which ones? Just don't go around naming First Person Shooters. 

[panamakira]

Ok so I'm not the only who noticed this. Seriously, no kidding....I was watching a CG movie with my Shep except she had the wrong face because the ME2 codes didn't work and I had "control" over her conversation for like 5 times or so in a gameplay of about 2 hours. It was like I had it on auto-pilot or something. I check settings and even though it says "make full decisions", I pick stuff to say now and then.

I'm no longer in control. PLEASE TELL ME IT GETS BETTER.

:C

[dreman9999]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

It's sad that people are trying to defend this by saying we never had control of Shepard anyway. They're wrong, because we can roleplay significantly different shepards in the first two games and keep them consistent, but me3 forces us into a canon Shepard. Stop making false excuses please and just accept that fact.


-Polite

Are you playing the full game yet?