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[RSX Titan]

That sounds good in theory but the reality is that the game has to flow smoothly in Action mode since that is the lowest common denominator for game settings. It's only logical to assume other elements suffered in an effort to pace the game for that particular mode.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Why exactly are we surprised at the amount of auto-dialog again? We all saw it coming, those who didn't have their hands over their eyes anyways.

[BentOrgy]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why exactly are we surprised at the amount of auto-dialog again? We all saw it coming, those who didn't have their hands over their eyes anyways.

You mean ME2? Completely different handling of the situation; I'll post this again: 

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

All right, time for some facts in here. I
just took notes throughout the entire ME2 intro (Normandy + Lazarus
Project sections noted separately and together, depending on your
definition of "intro") and the ME3 intro alike. This is it;

ME2 Normandy Auto Dialogue Lines: 2
ME2 Normandy RPG Dialogue Lines: 3
Percentage of auto dialogue: 40%

ME2 Lazarus Project Auto Dialogue Lines: 3
ME2 Lazarus Project RPG Dialogue Lines: 13
Percentage of auto dialogue: 18% at most*
*"At most" since the -numerous- left side wheel options and/or the shuttle scene was omitted

ME2 Full Intro Auto Dialogue Lines: 5
ME2 Full Intro RPG Dialogue Lines: 16
ME2 Full Intro Auto Dialogue percentage: 23% at most

ME3 Earth Auto Dialogue Lines: 32
ME3 Earth RPG Dialogue Lines: 5
Percentage of auto dialogue: 86%

As
you can see, this is skewed in ME3's favour in that I didn't count the
ME2 shuttle scene, nor did I give any bonuses for all the left wheel
side options, investigate options, nor did I give any subtractions for
ME3's lack of a single choice with more than two options on the wheel.
And even then, the numbers speak for themselves.

See? Auto-Dialogue can be appropriate in certain situations, but ME3 took it way to far.

[Jacen987]

BentOrgy wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

Look from what i understand, theres absolutely no cutting and dumbing down.If you watched the interview with Casey Hudson, the different modes are basically flipping switches from the options menu.In case of action mode,there no prompts for dialog, in story mode difficulty is set ot casual. Thats pretty much it, its the same game, just acomodating to more playstyle, witch is honestly very good from a purely objective perspective. Even though i couldnt care less/

Now before you try to jump down my though and rebuff the above statement, id like proof they actually did cut lines, dialog, promts, whtever...... 

The man explaned and i made perfect sense. All they added was just more options, to the diff setting,,,,

Sorry for Spelling...

Yes, that's what he "Said," but feel free to look at the trailers, demos, reviews, player reaction, stating the contrary. I played "RPG Mode," and with "Full Dialogue Options," and recieved nothing except the ability to level my characters. Something I've been doing for over ten years.

Ultimately it makes NO Difference at this point. The games practically out. And while i wont get to play it for another to weeks, im sure its too late to make a difference with this thread. People should have been b*****ing more after ME2 came out, instead they apploadedit. Personally im not one for b****ing,but in the case of Bioware games, it does help, as the "Majoraty rules" abd Bioware obviosly listens.

They really did deapen the RPG elements in 3, as a result of complaints....., but since most of what they heard was phrase, the game remain mostly a shooter. Deal with it, as I do....

[N00blet666]

BentOrgy wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why exactly are we surprised at the amount of auto-dialog again? We all saw it coming, those who didn't have their hands over their eyes anyways.

You mean ME2? Completely different handling of the situation; I'll post this again: 

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

All right, time for some facts in here. I
just took notes throughout the entire ME2 intro (Normandy + Lazarus
Project sections noted separately and together, depending on your
definition of "intro") and the ME3 intro alike. This is it;

ME2 Normandy Auto Dialogue Lines: 2
ME2 Normandy RPG Dialogue Lines: 3
Percentage of auto dialogue: 40%

ME2 Lazarus Project Auto Dialogue Lines: 3
ME2 Lazarus Project RPG Dialogue Lines: 13
Percentage of auto dialogue: 18% at most*
*"At most" since the -numerous- left side wheel options and/or the shuttle scene was omitted

ME2 Full Intro Auto Dialogue Lines: 5
ME2 Full Intro RPG Dialogue Lines: 16
ME2 Full Intro Auto Dialogue percentage: 23% at most

ME3 Earth Auto Dialogue Lines: 32
ME3 Earth RPG Dialogue Lines: 5
Percentage of auto dialogue: 86%

As
you can see, this is skewed in ME3's favour in that I didn't count the
ME2 shuttle scene, nor did I give any bonuses for all the left wheel
side options, investigate options, nor did I give any subtractions for
ME3's lack of a single choice with more than two options on the wheel.
And even then, the numbers speak for themselves.

See? Auto-Dialogue can be appropriate in certain situations, but ME3 took it way to far.

I agree. Little snippets of auto dialogue are fine. I thought that ME2 had a great handle on this. There was just enough auo dialogue.In ME2 I never felt like I wasn't in control of Shepard.

[Jacen987]

RSX Titan wrote...

That sounds good in theory but the reality is that the game has to flow smoothly in Action mode since that is the lowest common denominator for game settings. It's only logical to assume other elements suffered in an effort to pace the game for that particular mode.

No its not.... ME has always functioned quite smothly for line to line.... Heck even in 1, you could choose your next line, before the NPC was done speaking, to where dialog flowed seemlessly . Pretty much like a movie. Infact going form DAO to ME1, the distinction is quite striking....

All they do is remove the promts, not even all of them, as Interrupts and Major decisions are still mandatory...

Basically, game skips dialog promt and takes you though a set of predetermened canon choices/ lines.

In theory i see no problem, unless you have proff Bioware was lazy, or you have played the game.... I see no way you could have for any sizable amount of time.

Modifié par Jacen987, 03 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Taleroth]

Gterror wrote...

Look at the bright side, atleast you accepted it and are not blaming anyone.

I blame the political party current in office. Is it the whigs or tories? I haven't paid attention lately.

[i IIVIIorpheus]

I mean..but why would they do that though? Someone from Bioware design/storyboard team HAD to know that the dialogue with squad members, etc....., no matter how small it was, was one of the many things that made ME appealing.

I mean, these are smart people. They have to know that right? I'm sure someone thought that maybe this is not a good idea.

Doesn't make sense...

My newness to this forum has shown me that people here tend to take a negative view of things, but man...I hope I'm not disappointed by this game. But that launch trailer really got me excited. I still take a "wait and see" approach....

Modifié par i IIVIIorpheus, 03 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[Squallypo]

so being said this stuff we can say : ME 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ME 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME3 ?

i hate auto dialog at 86%... thats just ridiculous and if someone comes and justify that go away and play your COD or Gears of Wurs and any other TPS streamlined without choices oriented.

[Homey C-Dawg]

BentOrgy wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why exactly are we surprised at the amount of auto-dialog again? We all saw it coming, those who didn't have their hands over their eyes anyways.

You mean ME2? Completely different handling of the situation; I'll post this again: 

-snip-

See? Auto-Dialogue can be appropriate in certain situations, but ME3 took it way to far.

Way to far yes, but I actually meant the promotional material, the demo, ect. for ME3 made it quite clear there would be a lot of auto-dialog.

Lots of people kept telling themselves "it's a demo and doesn't represent the final product.", forgetting that the demo is not a beta and is indeed suppose to represent the final product with a few more bugs.

In other words the writting was on the wall the whole time imo.

[Jacen987]

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

I mean..but why would they do that though? Someone from Bioware design/storyboard team HAD to know that the dialogue with squad members, etc....., no matter how small it was, was one of the many things that made ME appealing.

I mean, these are smart people. They have to know that right? I'm sure someone thought that maybe this is not a good idea.

Doesn't make sense...

Man newness to this forum has shown me that people here tend to take a negativity view of things, but man...I hope I'm not disappointed by this game. But that launch trailer really got me excited. I still take a "wait and see" approach....

From our point of view- Sure.... Makes no sence. But there are zillions of them out there. And i never try to presume or understand, why other pley and enjoy smt. They simply do.

And Biowares catering to all of them/ and us.

At the end, there will never be : The Mako, planet exploration, Stat-mandated shooting mechanics, planetary exploration, e3 2006 galaxy map, real time switching between companions and so on and so forth.

Just accept it and make a decision.

[Jacen987]

Squallypo wrote...

so being said this stuff we can say : ME 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ME 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME3 ?

i hate auto dialog at 86%... thats just ridiculous and if someone comes and justify that go away and play your COD or Gears of Wurs and any other TPS streamlined without choices oriented.

Nah pretty sure, its going to be ME1>ME3>ME2. Dialog isnt the only thing that makes RPGs...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why
exactly are we surprised at the amount of auto-dialog again? We all saw
it coming, those who didn't have their hands over their eyes
anyways.

You mean ME2? Completely different handling of the situation; I'll post this again: 

-snip-

See? Auto-Dialogue can be appropriate in certain situations, but ME3 took it way to far.

Way
to far yes, but I actually meant the promotional material, the demo,
ect. for ME3 made it quite clear there would be a lot of auto-dialog.

Lots
of people kept telling themselves "it's a demo and doesn't represent
the final product.", forgetting that the demo is not a beta and is
indeed suppose to represent the final product with a few more bugs.

In other words the writting was on the wall the whole time imo.

Well ,depending what build the demo was. Still all of this is irrelevant. Its thier baby, not ours. And id still play it  ,even if it was a shooter..

Modifié par Jacen987, 03 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[TheoCN]

They probably had to remove some of the dialogue options, in order to save 2 or 4 mb of memory, which is a considerable amount.

What else could it be?

[Squallypo]

Jacen987 wrote...

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

I mean..but why would they do that though? Someone from Bioware design/storyboard team HAD to know that the dialogue with squad members, etc....., no matter how small it was, was one of the many things that made ME appealing.

I mean, these are smart people. They have to know that right? I'm sure someone thought that maybe this is not a good idea.

Doesn't make sense...

Man newness to this forum has shown me that people here tend to take a negativity view of things, but man...I hope I'm not disappointed by this game. But that launch trailer really got me excited. I still take a "wait and see" approach....

From our point of view- Sure.... Makes no sence. But there are zillions of them out there. And i never try to presume or understand, why other pley and enjoy smt. They simply do.

And Biowares catering to all of them/ and us.

At the end, there will never be : The Mako, planet exploration, Stat-mandated shooting mechanics, planetary exploration, e3 2006 galaxy map, real time switching between companions and so on and so forth.

Just accept it and make a decision.

someone should stalk casey hudson on real life and not let him be until he realizes what he has done to the real ME fans with the choices and changes they have made during ME 2 to ME 3 .. since they always claim that " we take and hear commentaries from our fans, their opinions are valuable" well we will see about that! 

[Squallypo]

Jacen987 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

so being said this stuff we can say : ME 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ME 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME3 ?

i hate auto dialog at 86%... thats just ridiculous and if someone comes and justify that go away and play your COD or Gears of Wurs and any other TPS streamlined without choices oriented.

Nah pretty sure, its going to be ME1>ME3>ME2. Dialog isnt the only thing that makes RPGs...

agreed but its hard to say that your correct only by the dialog situation when alot of things has been changed to worst. in that matter i guess its better to wait and see how is truely ME 3 gameplay if thats where you going.

[Elvis_Mazur]

I just can't wait for the uproar next week. Anyone who is in denial will finally cease to exist!!

[gabe2gg]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why exactly are we surprised at the amount of auto-dialog again? We all saw it coming, those who didn't have their hands over their eyes anyways.

You mean ME2? Completely different handling of the situation; I'll post this again: 

-snip-

See? Auto-Dialogue can be appropriate in certain situations, but ME3 took it way to far.

Way to far yes, but I actually meant the promotional material, the demo, ect. for ME3 made it quite clear there would be a lot of auto-dialog.

Lots of people kept telling themselves "it's a demo and doesn't represent the final product.", forgetting that the demo is not a beta and is indeed suppose to represent the final product with a few more bugs.

In other words the writting was on the wall the whole time imo.

This I tried to tell people.

[Jacen987]

PetrySilva wrote...

I just can't wait for the uproar next week. Anyone who is in denial will finally cease to exist!!

No people will just enjoy ME3 for what it is. Just like I enjoyed ME2, despite the enough dissapointments to fill a Dumptruck...

Others will b**#*ch as always, but im pretty sure we'll have our game of the year. One way, or another.

[Squallypo]

PetrySilva wrote...

I just can't wait for the uproar next week. Anyone who is in denial will finally cease to exist!!

next week bioware is gonna wish that they never existed as company XD the forums are gonna be filled with TRUE HATE ala Anakin skywalker on episode 3 when he tells to obiwan:

 

[Squallypo]

Jacen987 wrote...

PetrySilva wrote...

I just can't wait for the uproar next week. Anyone who is in denial will finally cease to exist!!

No people will just enjoy ME3 for what it is. Just like I enjoyed ME2, despite the enough dissapointments to fill a Dumptruck...

Others will b**#*ch as always, but im pretty sure we'll have our game of the year. One way, or another.

this is the last of he shepard saga this is not a continue as it was ME 2 when fans expected that their demands/ changes would be made on ME 3 , theres no ME 4 with shepard anymore so trust me theres gonna be hate 

 

[Jacen987]

Squallypo wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

PetrySilva wrote...

I just can't wait for the uproar next week. Anyone who is in denial will finally cease to exist!!

No people will just enjoy ME3 for what it is. Just like I enjoyed ME2, despite the enough dissapointments to fill a Dumptruck...

Others will b**#*ch as always, but im pretty sure we'll have our game of the year. One way, or another.

this is the last of he shepard saga this is not a continue as it was ME 2 when fans expected that their demands/ changes would be made on ME 3 , theres no ME 4 with shepard anymore so trust me theres gonna be hate 

 

Hhahah, well form what i remember ME2 was pretty much a resounding success.... and phrazed to the high heavens.... Infact in the few week,ive been frequeting the forums prior to ME3s release, its been hard to find people who dissagree with " ME2 >>>>>>!!!!>!>>>!>!>!>!>!>!> ME1" statement.


Some people have even called it an "^_^ Instant classic^_^"

Modifié par Jacen987, 03 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[Daywalker315]

*******Posted in the Team Vegas thread by one of the Vegas guys who got a Space copy. Part of the Q and A. I suggest everybody reading the last page of that thread here: http://social.biowar...ndex/9471802/13 **********

Zenor wrote...

Sleepee wrote...


JeffZero wrote...

I feel bad about asking anything after all the great answers he's provided, but I might as well go ahead and be part of the experience, so whenever he's ready to respond to more, here's mine:

Are the number of times a dialogue wheel pops up versus the amount of times Shepard speaks on his/her own about equal to Mass Effect 2, or does Shepard take the lead much more frequently now without player input?


"I'm not sure I understand the question. Dialogue is about the same as in ME2, with different camera angles, if that helps."



I think he is asking do we get to choose most of our responses, instead of shepard just saying something without letting us pick a response.
Like someone going
"hey shepard"
and shepard just says "hi" without asking us how to respond.
If you could awnser this again, I would be happy to hear an awnser! Also thank you so much for all the awnsers you guys told us so far!



"Shepard replies more on his own than he did before, definitely. You still do get to choose most responses, though."

[Squallypo]

Jacen987 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

PetrySilva wrote...

I just can't wait for the uproar next week. Anyone who is in denial will finally cease to exist!!

No people will just enjoy ME3 for what it is. Just like I enjoyed ME2, despite the enough dissapointments to fill a Dumptruck...

Others will b**#*ch as always, but im pretty sure we'll have our game of the year. One way, or another.

this is the last of he shepard saga this is not a continue as it was ME 2 when fans expected that their demands/ changes would be made on ME 3 , theres no ME 4 with shepard anymore so trust me theres gonna be hate 

 

Hhahah, well form what i remember ME2 was pretty much a resounding success.... and phrazed to the high heavens.... Infact in the few week,ive been frequeting the forums prior to ME3s release, its been hard to find people who dissagree with " ME2 >>>>>>!!!!>!>>>!>!>!>!>!>!> ME1" statement.


Some people have even called it an "^_^ Instant classic^_^"

ah like ign right  ?

[Jacen987]

Daywalker315 wrote...

*******Posted in the Team Vegas thread by one of the Vegas guys who got a Space copy. Part of the Q and A. I suggest everybody reading the last page of that thread here: http://social.biowar...ndex/9471802/13 **********

Zenor wrote...

Sleepee wrote...


JeffZero wrote...

I feel bad about asking anything after all the great answers he's provided, but I might as well go ahead and be part of the experience, so whenever he's ready to respond to more, here's mine:

Are the number of times a dialogue wheel pops up versus the amount of times Shepard speaks on his/her own about equal to Mass Effect 2, or does Shepard take the lead much more frequently now without player input?


"I'm not sure I understand the question. Dialogue is about the same as in ME2, with different camera angles, if that helps."



I think he is asking do we get to choose most of our responses, instead of shepard just saying something without letting us pick a response.
Like someone going
"hey shepard"
and shepard just says "hi" without asking us how to respond.
If you could awnser this again, I would be happy to hear an awnser! Also thank you so much for all the awnsers you guys told us so far!



"Shepard replies more on his own than he did before, definitely. You still do get to choose most responses, though."

Well, there you have it@!!

Now, if youlll excuse me...
 

WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

[N00blet666]

Daywalker315 wrote...

*******Posted in the Team Vegas thread by one of the Vegas guys who got a Space copy. Part of the Q and A. I suggest everybody reading the last page of that thread here: http://social.biowar...ndex/9471802/13 **********

Zenor wrote...

Sleepee wrote...


JeffZero wrote...

I feel bad about asking anything after all the great answers he's provided, but I might as well go ahead and be part of the experience, so whenever he's ready to respond to more, here's mine:

Are the number of times a dialogue wheel pops up versus the amount of times Shepard speaks on his/her own about equal to Mass Effect 2, or does Shepard take the lead much more frequently now without player input?


"I'm not sure I understand the question. Dialogue is about the same as in ME2, with different camera angles, if that helps."



I think he is asking do we get to choose most of our responses, instead of shepard just saying something without letting us pick a response.
Like someone going
"hey shepard"
and shepard just says "hi" without asking us how to respond.
If you could awnser this again, I would be happy to hear an awnser! Also thank you so much for all the awnsers you guys told us so far!



"Shepard replies more on his own than he did before, definitely. You still do get to choose most responses, though."

Good stuff, thanks for posting.