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N00blet666 wrote...

jbg927 wrote...

Contacting the devs might not do much good the game is coming out tuesday and this is the final product.

Well yes this is true but, we should still let them know how we feel about this issue. Look at the day one dlc thing. One guy who's kind of internet famous made a video and Hudson adressed it in no time.


Either way, we're two days to launch. It's not enough time to change anything. Personally, I'd rather wait until I have finished the game and seen for myself the nature of Shepard's interactions. Illogical as it may be, I am still holding out hope. Then, two days from now, we can worry about unleashing hell.

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we probably won't have to contact devs, the forums will explode on tues and the message will be sent

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Il Divo wrote... Just to highlight:

I’ll be honest, right now I have a stack of games that’s up to my knee that I haven’t played because I’ve been so busy with Mass Effect 3. So I’m excited to see what other people have been doing while I’ve been making a game. But I do know that between Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3, one of the things I looked at was—I don’t know if I’d call it the writing, but the cinematic style and delivery of Uncharted 2 really drew my eye. I look at that and say, “Wow, those are some very compelling people.” I’m happy to sit there and watch what’s going on in that scene—I don’t even need interactivity in that scene because it’s so well done. And that was part of the game that I really wanted to strive for in Mass Effect 3 as well. And so I’m looking forward to playing a lot of other games as well. I’ve seen a bit of other ones out there—things like L.A. Noire, they had some interesting ideas of what they were doing for things like facial capture. Who knows where that could go.


Bioware's distinctive strength never lay in writing, but in their ability to construct a cohesive narrative in the face of overwhelming player agency. It is this that has so engaged hardcore-fans and can evoke such vivacity, awe, entitlement and vitriol.

Now it seems Mac Walter's has unceremoniously perched a polyester beret on his head and considered that the rpg in fact limits his artistic horizons, and ergo with the streamlining of dialogue he will create some manner of a literary masterpiece, at the cost of what he evidently considers a mere trifle; player immersion.

Poor deluded fool. Bioware's forgotten what made them stand out with such clarity from the masses. Immersion; the creation (as opposed to the suspension in linear text) of belief; is/was at Mass Effect's core and is intrinsically what attracted such a rigorous popularity base.

Modifié par Comsky159, 04 mars 2012 - 05:27 .


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JamieCOTC wrote...

Well ... this sucks.

BW said they wanted to make ME3 more cinematic. They did. And you know what, it's going to get rave reviews. Might even be held up as BW's masterpiece. And maybe it will be ... to play through once. We knew this was coming when the Beta videos were leaked. It's sad and I hate it, but all good things and all that ...


because games do not have to follow strict WRPG standards, all they have to do is be good at what they try to do.

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This kind of **** makes me want to cancel my pre-order. I want my money back.

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Il Divo wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

http://blogs.wsj.com...oogle_news_blog

The last question and answer in this interview explains why they went this route for the auto dialogue. Or at least it's all we have so far. Interesting read.


-Polite


Just to highlight:

I’ll be honest, right now I have a stack of games that’s up to my knee that I haven’t played because I’ve been so busy with Mass Effect 3. So I’m excited to see what other people have been doing while I’ve been making a game. But I do know that between Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3, one of the things I looked at was—I don’t know if I’d call it the writing, but the cinematic style and delivery of Uncharted 2 really drew my eye. I look at that and say, “Wow, those are some very compelling people.” I’m happy to sit there and watch what’s going on in that scene—I don’t even need interactivity in that scene because it’s so well done. And that was part of the game that I really wanted to strive for in Mass Effect 3 as well. And so I’m looking forward to playing a lot of other games as well. I’ve seen a bit of other ones out there—things like L.A. Noire, they had some interesting ideas of what they were doing for things like facial capture. Who knows where that could go.



Kind of funny he's referencing LA Noire. That game is the console's answer to classic point and click. You can't get more interractive than point and click. Well you can, but it involves a dialogue wheel.

Too soon... :(

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jbg927 wrote...

we probably won't have to contact devs, the forums will explode on tues and the message will be sent


I feel sorry for those people who will be disappointed on tuesday. :(


-Polite

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Maybe. just maybe there is a bug and it's playing a different mode instead of RPG mode like it's supposed to.

Maybe, but I am only clutching at straws.

Percentage of that 0.07%.

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Why are people getting so worked up about a game. Seriously if you feel disgusted or sick you care way too much about something that's just fiction. Who cares

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txgoldrush wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Well ... this sucks.

BW said they wanted to make ME3 more cinematic. They did. And you know what, it's going to get rave reviews. Might even be held up as BW's masterpiece. And maybe it will be ... to play through once. We knew this was coming when the Beta videos were leaked. It's sad and I hate it, but all good things and all that ...


because games do not have to follow strict WRPG standards, all they have to do is be good at what they try to do.


we don't want the game to follow strict wrpg standards, we want it to meet the me1 and me2 standards of dialogue choice

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BillsVengenace wrote...

Maybe. just maybe there is a bug and it's playing a different mode instead of RPG mode like it's supposed to.

Maybe, but I am only clutching at straws.

Percentage of that 0.07%.


Inb4it'sabug and the endings are messed.

Bioware wins troll of the year.:bandit:

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

jbg927 wrote...

we probably won't have to contact devs, the forums will explode on tues and the message will be sent


I feel sorry for those people who will be disappointed on tuesday. :(


-Polite


I'm one of the people who pre-ordered when they announced their December date line. If I cancelled it, you better believe I had a good reason. I waiting for this game for a long time. Now I'll wait for reviews and price drops.

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I'm guessing you might not be allowed to link the streams on these forums, but any hints as to where I could find a link to them (neogaf, gamefaqs, etc)? Also, does anyone know if they got archived to youtube or somewhere?

I've been checking gamefaqs regularly, but haven't seen any links (they usually seem pretty good about giving a headsup)

Much appreciated.

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ArmoredD M Z wrote...

Why are people getting so worked up about a game. Seriously if you feel disgusted or sick you care way too much about something that's just fiction. Who cares


Obviously you care enough to post about it on a forum dedicated to said game. 

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While I'm saddened by this, I'm still keeping my CE. I won't play through this more than once though since there'd be no point with the linear dialogue.

The streams are down though.


-Polite

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brian1821 wrote...

I'm guessing you might not be allowed to link the streams on these forums, but any hints as to where I could find a link to them (neogaf, gamefaqs, etc)? Also, does anyone know if they got archived to youtube or somewhere?

I've been checking gamefaqs regularly, but haven't seen any links (they usually seem pretty good about giving a headsup)

Much appreciated.


They were all from Europe and everyone is asleep now. I'd reccomend checking in the afternoon tomorrow if you're in the US.

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ArmoredD M Z wrote...

Why are people getting so worked up about a game. Seriously if you feel disgusted or sick you care way too much about something that's just fiction. Who cares


you are on a forum dedicated to a video game and we are discussing said video game.  People are not really sick they are using hyperboles to express how upset they are, or atleast i hope so.  

If you don't care why are you here?

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ArmoredD M Z wrote...

Why are people getting so worked up about a game. Seriously if you feel disgusted or sick you care way too much about something that's just fiction. Who cares


Never been moved by reading a book or listening to some sort of music? The fact that people do care this much is saying a lot about the series, it provokes a lot of emotion from some of us and there's nothing wrong with that, even if it's just fiction and a game (could of been a movie or any other type of media, whatever).

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Comsky159 wrote...

Bioware's distinctive strength never lay in writing, but in their ability to construct a cohesive narrative in the face of overwhelming player agency is what has so awed their hardcore fans and can evoke such vivacity, awe, entitlement and vitriol.

Now it seems Mac Walter's has unceremoniously perched a polyester beret on his head and considered that the rpg in fact limits his artistic horizons, and ergo that with the streamlining of dialogue he will create some manner of a literary masterpiece, at the cost of what he evidently considers a mere trifle; player immersion.

Poor deluded fool. Bioware's forgotten what made them stand out with such clarity from the masses. Immersion; the creation (as opposed to the suspension in linear text) of belief; is/was at Mass Effect's core and is intrinsically what attracted such a rigorous popularity base.


I was actually thirteen when I first played KotOR. It also happened to be my first Bioware game. The overall experience convinced me of potential for video games as an art form, to explore possibilities which are simply not possible in films or novels. By placing the player in the role of the protagonist, gaming can better able forge a connection between the player and the events happening on screen, since you are not just passively watching these events take place, but are an active participant. And I do see the potential of video games  in this regard to go beyond merely RPGs; Valve for example has made great strides (imo).

However, in this case, if ME3 removes the ability for the player to participate in the reactions of his character, then in Bioware's case, they have (in my view) removed what potential their games had for our medium as a whole.

Modifié par Il Divo, 04 mars 2012 - 05:32 .


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N00blet666 wrote...

If any of you can get in contact with devs or mods I'd say do so, Let them know how most of us feel. The more of us that bring these complaints to them the better.


isnt bioware doing an event to *celebrate* ME 3 coming ? why dont people go there and ask them/ tell them how we feel about this issues and changes that they made to kill the ME structure of what it was and what we used to like of it as fans from RPG genere and interactivity gameplay. 

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jbg927 wrote...

we probably won't have to contact devs, the forums will explode on tues and the message will be sent

To be honest if and when that happens they'll have deserved it. I'm usually very supportive of Bioware but, why would they create a mode with no dialogue options even though the mode that is supposed to have dialogue options barely has any to begin with? They have stated that we will be incontrol of Shepards emotes, they have told us that friendship with or squadmates will be optional. If they are willing to lie to fans then they deserve the backlash. 

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For those of you who watched the UK one, they'll be on tonight at 9 which is 4 est I think. France will be up tomorrow night but no specific time.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

While I'm saddened by this, I'm still keeping my CE. I won't play through this more than once though since there'd be no point with the linear dialogue.

The streams are down though.


-Polite

It is certainly looking like a one play game atm, particularly given I played the first game 6 times and the second 3 times.

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oh yes, i agree. they will deserve every bit of it.

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Squallypo wrote...

N00blet666 wrote...

If any of you can get in contact with devs or mods I'd say do so, Let them know how most of us feel. The more of us that bring these complaints to them the better.


isnt bioware doing an event to *celebrate* ME 3 coming ? why dont people go there and ask them/ tell them how we feel about this issues and changes that they made to kill the ME structure of what it was and what we used to like of it as fans from RPG genere and interactivity gameplay. 



I'd love to talk to someone at Bioware on this issue. None of them seem interested though.


-Polite