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[Phaedon]

Wulfram wrote...
Why do you place hearsay above your own eyes?  Particularly when the video fits in entirely with what we saw in the Demo.

The reason that I am further convinced that this is incorrect is because of my eyes, actually.

[Duncaaaaaan]

N7Raider wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

I do, in fact, remember how many times there were only two options in BG.

Mass Effect 3: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is zero.

BG2: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is 5+

Not the same thing.

Right.

In the middle of a warzone it's very immersive if my shepard sits there and talks on philosophy and the meaning of life with Garrus; his most trusted but still mysterious best friend.

Now we will ask Garrus amoungst the debris and destruction his thought on my actions as Shepard and if he truely trusts me whilst innocent Turians die by the truckload.

Yes, very good writing and narrative.<_<

That would actually be brilliant.

HAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you can not be serious, that would be the most distracting un-immersive thing imaginable.  This is literally why I will never take BSN seriously.  

I am serious.

I guess you just want shoot shoot shoot.

COD is that way ---->

[android654]

matt-bassist wrote...

Yeah man, isn't it obvious, this is ACTION mode, where the conversation choices are pre-selected.

If you watched the whole thing he says its an ME2 import, I missed any mention of what mode. Either way, there is plenty of auto dialogue in all modes.

[Wulfram]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That's fine.

A video on a battlefield is not good evidence. The citidel would be a better area for that kind of thing.

It applies to anywhere Shepard talks.  He's talking plenty in this video, without any player input.

[Justicar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

He specfically said that the amount of options should be relevant to the context.

They failed hard then when Ashley becomes Zaeed 2.0 onboard  the Normandy, then.

That only happens when she runs out of relevant dialogue. For example, where garrus would say "HHHHHHNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG CALIBRATIONS" now we get Zaeed/Kasumi dialogue.

Better IMO.

[Someone With Mass]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Mass Effect 3: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is zero.

BG2: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is 5+

Not the same thing.

I tend to go for the quality and not the quantity.

[Hunter of Legends]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

I do, in fact, remember how many times there were only two options in BG.

Mass Effect 3: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is zero.

BG2: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is 5+

Not the same thing.

Right.

In the middle of a warzone it's very immersive if my shepard sits there and talks on philosophy and the meaning of life with Garrus; his most trusted but still mysterious best friend.

Now we will ask Garrus amoungst the debris and destruction his thought on my actions as Shepard and if he truely trusts me whilst innocent Turians die by the truckload.

Yes, very good writing and narrative.<_<

That would actually be brilliant.

HAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you can not be serious, that would be the most distracting un-immersive thing imaginable.  This is literally why I will never take BSN seriously.  

I am serious.

I guess you just want shoot shoot shoot.

COD is that way ---->

You scare me.

[Gibb_Shepard]

AndrewRogue wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You guys remember the good old days?



Boy oh boy, do I remember them.

Almost makes me want to reinstall and play again. Might roll a wild mage finally.

That's a terrible example of "good dialogue choices" from BG2.

Option 1: Shop
Option 2: Banter
Option 3/4: Investigate
Option 5: Goodbye

The kind of thing that you can get from your average NPC in DA, ME, DA2, ME2... There is NOTHING special in that shot.

Sheesh, at least choose a shot of talking with the Pirate King to get into Spellhold or something.

My god, it's called roleplaying. All of those lines help define your character and how he generally speaks to people.

[Phaedon]

Dave of Canada wrote...
They failed hard then when Ashley becomes Zaeed 2.0 onboard  the Normandy, then.

A romance that gets initiated through "Zaeed 2.0" dialogue? Well, heheheh. Would have been somewhat amusing if true.

[Dave of Canada]

Justicar wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

He specfically said that the amount of options should be relevant to the context.

They failed hard then when Ashley becomes Zaeed 2.0 onboard  the Normandy, then.

That only happens when she runs out of relevant dialogue. For example, where garrus would say "HHHHHHNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG CALIBRATIONS" now we get Zaeed/Kasumi dialogue.

Better IMO.

Except the guy who played the game said they only had one conversation with Ashley onboard the Normandy. (FemShep)

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[Wulfram]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I tend to go for the quality and not the quantity.

There's no quality in being suddenly made unable to roleplay your character in the final installment.

Modifié par Wulfram, 02 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[Justicar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Except the guy who played the game said they only had one conversation with Ashley onboard the Normandy.

Really? Like, through the whole game?

Link please?

[Phaedon]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
My god, it's called roleplaying. All of those lines help define your character and how he generally speaks to people.

Forget playing BG2. Have you actually read his/her post?

Option 1: Shop
Option 2: Banter
Option 3/4: Investigate
Option 5: Goodbye

These aren't the options from ME2 shopping. There tend to be more there. This is from BG2.

Modifié par Phaedon, 02 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Wulfram wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That's fine.

A video on a battlefield is not good evidence. The citidel would be a better area for that kind of thing.

It applies to anywhere Shepard talks.  He's talking plenty in this video, without any player input.

IMO nothing else needs to be said.

[Wulfram]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

IMO nothing else needs to be said.

I don't understand what you're trying to say

[android654]

Hexedcoder wrote...

I'll just go ahead and drop this grenade in here in case anyone is still thinking they were watching action mode.



My preorder still isn't cancelled tho

Hopefully this puts the whole discussion to rest. 40k of dialogue is supplemented by unassisted dialogue.

[Alraiis]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You guys remember the good old days?



Boy oh boy, do I remember them.

Almost makes me want to reinstall and play again. Might roll a wild mage finally.

Reinstall, by all means. You'll see some of this:

lparchive.org/Baldurs-Gate-2-and-Throne-of-Bhaal/Update%2015/25-BG2SoAch10017.jpg

Modifié par Alraiis, 02 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[The Elder King]

Phaedon wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
They failed hard then when Ashley becomes Zaeed 2.0 onboard  the Normandy, then.

A romance that gets initiated through "Zaeed 2.0" dialogue? Well, heheheh. Would have been somewhat amusing if true.

She will have more dialogues if romanced, or if you're starting the romance in ME3 (exclusive to maleshep, it seems). 
Like the ME2 had more dialogue if you started the romance in ME3. No room for friendship with LI in ME3 either, it seems. At least for the VS.

[Dragoonlordz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Mass Effect 3: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is zero.

BG2: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is 5+

Not the same thing.

I tend to go for the quality and not the quantity.

Then by all means stick with story mode where story is paramount. RPG mode is more for the player having more choices, more ways to define his or herself in that world and more dialogue chosen by the player for interacting with those around them. If hate all dialogue choices and they get in the way of your shooting and pure story progression with only major choices meaning anything to you then stick with story mode.

Unfortuantely it would seem RPG mode is now replaced with story mode under false name.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[shep82]

N7Raider wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

I do, in fact, remember how many times there were only two options in BG.

Mass Effect 3: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is zero.

BG2: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is 5+

Not the same thing.

Right.

In the middle of a warzone it's very immersive if my shepard sits there and talks on philosophy and the meaning of life with Garrus; his most trusted but still mysterious best friend.

Now we will ask Garrus amoungst the debris and destruction his thought on my actions as Shepard and if he truely trusts me whilst innocent Turians die by the truckload.

Yes, very good writing and narrative.<_<

That would actually be brilliant.

HAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you can not be serious, that would be the most distracting un-immersive thing imaginable.  This is literally why I will never take BSN seriously.  

Same here. I do not get what the big deal is. Yes it is SOOOOO realistic to sit and discuss what to do with an alien armada in your path...<_<

[jbg927]

anyone else notice on the character selection screen kaiden/ashley is nowhere to be found? why is this? (if the answer is spoilerish be very vague or don't answer) thanks

[N7Raider]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

I do, in fact, remember how many times there were only two options in BG.

Mass Effect 3: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is zero.

BG2: You rarely get two dialogue options. The majority is 5+

Not the same thing.

Right.

In the middle of a warzone it's very immersive if my shepard sits there and talks on philosophy and the meaning of life with Garrus; his most trusted but still mysterious best friend.

Now we will ask Garrus amoungst the debris and destruction his thought on my actions as Shepard and if he truely trusts me whilst innocent Turians die by the truckload.

Yes, very good writing and narrative.<_<

That would actually be brilliant.

HAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you can not be serious, that would be the most distracting un-immersive thing imaginable.  This is literally why I will never take BSN seriously.  

I am serious.

I guess you just want shoot shoot shoot.

COD is that way ---->

You think immersion is going to come from Shepard and Garrus having a discussion about Shepard's past actions while reapers and various forms of husks are closing in around them?  You think that's good storytelling?  Maybe Garrus could bring it up but a full blown discussion would feel unbelievably out of place.  
As for your second point at what point did I ever say anything about shooting in fact when did I say anything about gameplay at all?  Oh that's right I never did, here's an idea next time you write something down try to make sure that it has at least some relevance ok?  

[AndrewRogue]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

AndrewRogue wrote...

That's a terrible example of "good dialogue choices" from BG2.

Option 1: Shop
Option 2: Banter
Option 3/4: Investigate
Option 5: Goodbye

The kind of thing that you can get from your average NPC in DA, ME, DA2, ME2... There is NOTHING special in that shot.

Sheesh, at least choose a shot of talking with the Pirate King to get into Spellhold or something.

My god, it's called roleplaying. All of those lines help define your character and how he generally speaks to people.

No. That's a shop and investigate set-up. This would be closer to roleplaying:


<img>http://lparchive.org...oA004.jpg</img>

[Rickin10]

Can I just point out, I really like kittens.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Alraiis wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You guys remember the good old days?



Boy oh boy, do I remember them.

Almost makes me want to reinstall and play again. Might roll a wild mage finally.

Reinstall, by all means. You'll see some of this:

lparchive.org/Baldurs-Gate-2-and-Throne-of-Bhaal/Update%2015/25-BG2SoAch10017.jpg

Oh gawwwd that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.