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[BillsVengenace]

Do we know if there's any play as another character crap like the Joker bit from ME2 yet?

[phimseto]

spiros9110 wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

"Unless we want to talk the Reapers to death, the committee is a waste of time."

But it's true.  I understand what you're saving with you not wanting to say that, but I find in this example - Shepard / the auto dialogue is right, lol. 

Spiros, how sad that your Jack quote sig file sums up my feelings on ME3. I wanted to be me in Mass Effect 3, not put through the paces as someone else. The big choices and pivot points matter so much less if we are dragged there on someone else's terms.

I liked uncharted 2 as much as anyone, but you know what I kept thinking as I was playing? How grateful I was for the control and interactivity of Mass Effect. Exploring the world, every dialogue unique and interesting...so much of it just pared down to perfunctory passing of information, paper thin character moments, and "we will tell you what we think is important, no need for you to have to explore and discover for yourself.". Why is Anderson no longer on the council, what happened to the Arrival fallout? "Who cares" seems to be the operative answer.

[Hillbillyhat]

Mass Effect to me was about have the ability to make choices that could affect the game overall. Eventually my Shepard was more built around those choices that I could make and since in ME3 those choices actually have more of an affect on the storyline and it actually carrie through well then I will likely not have much of a problem with it.

[Jacen987]

Il Divo wrote...

Justicar wrote...

I don't believe ME1 was as great as people made it out to be, but I know some elements of it surpassed it's sequels, just like some elements of ME2 and ME3 were improved upon.

It's not really about putting ME1 on a pedestal. If it makes you feel better, outside of Neverwinter Nights, I do consider it Bioware's weakest game, though I still enjoyed the main plot alot. It's just that, in ME3's case, the issues have greater implications for the Bioware-style narrative as a whole than did ME1's issues.

Wait - What? Weakest?

Sop.. So worse than ME2 and DA2. What?

[Alraiis]

matt-bassist wrote...

android654 wrote...

Concerning the Decisions in the game. There's a video up explaining it.

I think there is a difference between Decisions and Conversation Choices. 
Full Decisions doesn't mean choices in conversations, it is refering to major plot decisions. With RPG mode you get tons of choices in conversation, its only ACTION MODE which is what all these streamers are probably playing.

Calm down everyone.

I would love nothing more than for this to be true, but the likelihood of all these streamers blindly choosing Action Mode is pretty low.

Also, the Full Decisions description says: "All conversations require participation. No choices are made for you."

That isn't what we're seeing, however.

[MostlyAutumn]

matt-bassist wrote...

I think there is a difference between Decisions and Conversation Choices. 
Full Decisions doesn't mean choices in conversations, it is refering to major plot decisions. With RPG mode you get tons of choices in conversation, its only ACTION MODE which is what all these streamers are probably playing.

Action/RPG/Story modes simply set difficulty, level up and conversation options to predefined values. There is no additional magic behind them.

[Il Divo]

Jacen987 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Justicar wrote...

I don't believe ME1 was as great as people made it out to be, but I know some elements of it surpassed it's sequels, just like some elements of ME2 and ME3 were improved upon.

It's not really about putting ME1 on a pedestal. If it makes you feel better, outside of Neverwinter Nights, I do consider it Bioware's weakest game, though I still enjoyed the main plot alot. It's just that, in ME3's case, the issues have greater implications for the Bioware-style narrative as a whole than did ME1's issues.

Wait - What? Weakest?

Sop.. So worse than ME2 and DA2. What?

I completely forgot about DA2, which I suppose says alot. But I did much prefer ME2 to ME1. Still, that's beyond the scope of this thread. My point is that ME1's problems are not on the same scale as ME3's.

Modifié par Il Divo, 04 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Hillbillyhat]

When I think about it Bioware is attempting to preserve the whole "Its your character." bit by allowing for Shepard's choices to influence Shep's dialog. That can have its pros and cons with the fan base.

[phimseto]

Alraiis wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

android654 wrote...

Concerning the Decisions in the game. There's a video up explaining it.

I think there is a difference between Decisions and Conversation Choices. 
Full Decisions doesn't mean choices in conversations, it is refering to major plot decisions. With RPG mode you get tons of choices in conversation, its only ACTION MODE which is what all these streamers are probably playing.

Calm down everyone.

I would love nothing more than for this to be true, but the likelihood of all these streamers blindly choosing Action Mode is pretty low.

Also, the Full Decisions description says: "All conversations require participation. No choices are made for you."

That isn't what we're seeing, however.

Setting the tone of a conversation is as much a choice as making a specific decision on a topic. Conversations have lost most of that interactivity and railroad you through character moments instead of letting you set the tone.

[AcidGlow]

hmm this is why I will select Story mode, I do not see any point in using RPG or Action modes. Plus if I want the combat difficulty changed I will just change it in the settings and still keep it in story mode.

[Rickin10]

 This currently sums up my mood:

 

[Nathan Redgrave]

I asked if someone could PM me a link to one of these stream vids... can someone please do so? Please?

[android654]

I love how people think PoliteAssassin, myself and others are trolling. We all saw hours last night and dialogue shoehorns you into being a tailored character and less of your character you spent two games building.

[Il Divo]

android654 wrote...

I love how people think PoliteAssassin, myself and others are trolling. We all saw hours last night and dialogue shoehorns you into being a tailored character and less of your character you spent two games building.

Gazing into the abyss and all that, mate. Look at it like this: which thought is more comforting?

[Jacen987]

Alraiis wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

android654 wrote...

Concerning the Decisions in the game. There's a video up explaining it.

I think there is a difference between Decisions and Conversation Choices. 
Full Decisions doesn't mean choices in conversations, it is refering to major plot decisions. With RPG mode you get tons of choices in conversation, its only ACTION MODE which is what all these streamers are probably playing.

Calm down everyone.

I would love nothing more than for this to be true, but the likelihood of all these streamers blindly choosing Action Mode is pretty low.

Also, the Full Decisions description says: "All conversations require participation. No choices are made for you."

That isn't what we're seeing, however.

How in heavens  does "All conversations require participation. No choices are made for you." , meant " Auto-Dialog. so lean back and relax"

No,no, no. Something here seems fishy. If it was simply a design choice to automate dialog trees, there wouldnt be such an option present.

So, either some triggers got crossed. Or its an issue with the 360 version *fingers crossed*..... Well, thats what to little memory will do for ya.

[DatIrishFella]

android654 wrote...

I love how people think PoliteAssassin, myself and others are trolling. We all saw hours last night and dialogue shoehorns you into being a tailored character and less of your character you spent two games building.

That's what I was saying, although I'm going on what you guys have watched as I don't want to see any spoilers, what will be the point of multiple imports if they will all play basically the same way. 

[android654]

Il Divo wrote...

android654 wrote...

I love how people think PoliteAssassin, myself and others are trolling. We all saw hours last night and dialogue shoehorns you into being a tailored character and less of your character you spent two games building.

Gazing into the abyss and all that, mate. Look at it like this: which thought is more comforting?

I think it's more comforting to know that the fans are going out of their way to stream this stuff for us. This way we can avoid being surprised when you get your game and see this for the first time.

[MegaBadExample]

Yeah... there is a bit too much auto for my tastes.

[Reiga]

android654 wrote...

I love how people think PoliteAssassin, myself and others are trolling. We all saw hours last night and dialogue shoehorns you into being a tailored character and less of your character you spent two games building.

Isn't that why it is auto dialogued? You have spent 2 games building this individual so now it is time to see the fruits of your decisions. I believe that your character is tailored the way you have created them to be. This is just me speaking from theory of course, but it seems more logical that way. Also, it is really nice you guys to try and warn people before they encounter it otherwise. Very non-troll of you so thanks. 

[joe1852]

now what? want us to cry? i dont know about u guys but this isnt gonna stop me from enjoying what looks to be an amazing game.

[android654]

DatIrishFella wrote...

android654 wrote...

I love how people think PoliteAssassin, myself and others are trolling. We all saw hours last night and dialogue shoehorns you into being a tailored character and less of your character you spent two games building.

That's what I was saying, although I'm going on what you guys have watched as I don't want to see any spoilers, what will be the point of multiple imports if they will all play basically the same way. 

The problem is I think replay will be down massively from the earlier games. I spent two game insulting and denegrating team members and in this installment I'm forced tot ake them on again. Not only is it forced in the story, but its forced in the dialogue for that playthrough. It's done more like an action game with a few dialogue choices. If this is the case, what's the point of replaying it?

[iRAWRasaurusREX]

Catsith wrote...

Sigh... just spoil yourselves and watch this Citadel walkthrough:

You can see plenty of dialogue.

this...is hope...

[Jacen987]

Il Divo wrote...

android654 wrote...

I love how people think PoliteAssassin, myself and others are trolling. We all saw hours last night and dialogue shoehorns you into being a tailored character and less of your character you spent two games building.

Gazing into the abyss and all that, mate. Look at it like this: which thought is more comforting?

No, but i think you combined opinions is a bit  polarized. That and the others, just dont wanna spoil the story, by watching the stream, since RP isnt everything.

So we kinda have to trust your opinion, whether or not ,its indeed to much.



Ps. I think most of us are just hoping, you're trollin/.

BIG NASTY TRORRS! END OF THE LINE. GET BACK IN CAVE!  <_<

Modifié par Jacen987, 04 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[android654]

Think what you want. I've seen the full game, several planets, the normandy several times, and the citadel. The case is the same all over. The Demo is representative of the final product.