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[Hunter of Legends]

Aerevane wrote...

Oh well, the old BioWare RPG's were fun while they lasted. I guess those EA-is-Doom prophets got right for once - and I should've known better after my beloved Command and Conquer .

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Command and COnquer 3 was awesome.

[Jacen987]

Rickin10 wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Im wondering if BioWare actually knows who their fans..are.....
Is this any different in Story Mode?

They don't care who their fans are, EA cares about who will become their fans.

Why so they can ****** them off, next year. Great strategy there, EA.

Guess, the CO's must have slept through the " How to run a succesful business " course in college.

Modifié par Jacen987, 04 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

jbg927 wrote...

sorry, polite, just trying to have your back. Some people just jump into the forum and post without any knowledge of the subject. We are not just getting angry over nothing, we are watching people play the retail copy of the game and it is 90% auto dialogue

No need to apologize. I appreciate it, but I just didn't get the feeling he was trying to be rude. 

FryPanNN wrote...
Polite, I am aware that the past year you were the most vocal person on this forum talking about the auto dialogue. And I had my share of posts as well expressing the same concern. Sent messages to the devs about this, but not a single answer.

I wonder what would've happened if people actually started to talk about the reduced dialogue options, but they were all admired by the quality of Lotsb that we became trolls and haters.

Now, everyone here is disappointed with their precious dialogue taken away.

We've done our part providing our feedback to the devs, but now it is too late.

If more people had supported the fight against auto dialogue, maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. It's still very disturbing that the final game of the trilogy will have very little control over Shepard, a huge contrast from the previous two games. It will make it incredibly hard to play the first time, and sort of pointless for subsequent playthroughs since 90% of the dialogue will not change. Hope they're happy with their Uncharted version of Mass Effect. I'm sure the fans won't be so welcome to the changes come this Tuesday. I personally think this is the reason they changed the site rules, in anticipation of all of the rage that's going to consume the forums two days from now. 


-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 04 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Sonintega]

[quote]android654 wrote...

[quote]Sonintega wrote...

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I have a link to a vidoe of 3 hours and 48 minutes of straight gameplay. We were al here and saw a play from france for three hours. Would you like the links?

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If it's very early in game, yes. So long as it doesn't cover areas not hit on by the big websites I'll be fine with it.

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Of course it covers big things, it's four hours of gameplay. It's Earth, Mars, The Citadel, Palaven and the Normanday in between. Did you think we were basing this off of inconsequential scenes?

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Sorry, I phrased that wrong. If it's from a section that's early in the game vice approaching endgame, then yes, I'm fine with it. I know enough about the beginning hours to not be outraged with spoiler feelings.

[Rickin10]

Aerevane wrote...

Oh well, the old BioWare RPG's were fun while they lasted. I guess those EA-is-Doom prophets got right for once - and I should've known better after my beloved Command and Conquer .

Someone posted a list of developers that EA had swallowed up and what happened to them earlier.  It was frankly scary.

[Minister of Sound]

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Sonintega wrote...

I thought the arrow to the knee gag was your signature, but I have seen posts of yours where you're just as terse and accusatory as anyone else, and as someone who proclaims politeness it would be more reasonable to take the positive stance on all of these developments, rather than inciting more people to preemptively despair in the downfall of narrative driven games. Apologies for misunderstanding your intent.

It's impossible to keep up with every thread on here. For each new idea or elaboration on a question I was having there's a minefield of spoilers to avoid and people freaking out for dozens of pages. And I occasionally sleep. So yeah, I'd like those links.

We're not inciting anything. We're expressing our own concerns while giving people the opportunity to look at the streams and judge for themselves. Again, please read the posts you keep referring to. Additionally, you want us to be positive about something that's detrimental to the Mass Effect experience? Really? What type of reaction do you suggest for those of us who are finding out that the Shepards we invested 100+ hours into will be railroaded into a specific canon character? Happiness?


-Polite

[Xayoz]

Well. I'm not gonna jump on the QQ wagon before actually giving it a go myself...
Still, I really hope it's not as bad as you guys make it sound.

I would be fine with about anything, apart from them skimping on the 1 aspect I enjoy about rpgs - the ability to rope play MY character.

*Please don't be another DA2*

[Jaron Oberyn]

Minister of Sound wrote...

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

I keep watching those trailers and comparing it to how the game has evolved now. It's a completely different series. 
I wouldn't say he lied though. At the time it was our story and adventure. Over the course of the trilogy that vision started to fade away though.

-Polite

[Rickin10]

Jacen987 wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Im wondering if BioWare actually knows who their fans..are.....
Is this any different in Story Mode?

They don't care who their fans are, EA cares about who will become their fans.

Why so they can ****** them off, next year. Great strategy there, EA.

Guess, the CO's must have slept through the " How to run a succesful business " course in college.

Nope, because the crowd they are courting are the mass market who are easily pleased.  Which is why I think we'll see at least an annual release of a Mass Effect FPS or TPS to maximize profits *shudders*

[Atakuma]

Xayoz wrote...

Well. I'm not gonna jump on the QQ wagon before actually giving it a go myself...
Still, I really hope it's not as bad as you guys make it sound.

I would be fine with about anything, apart from them skimping on the 1 aspect I enjoy about rpgs - the ability to rope play MY character.

*Please don't be another DA2*

Funny, Da2 actually gives you way more options than ME3 will.

Modifié par Atakuma, 04 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Minister of Sound wrote...

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

It's still a story and adventure.

It was never your own to begin with.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Xayoz wrote...

Well. I'm not gonna jump on the QQ wagon before actually giving it a go myself...
Still, I really hope it's not as bad as you guys make it sound.

I would be fine with about anything, apart from them skimping on the 1 aspect I enjoy about rpgs - the ability to rope play MY character.

*Please don't be another DA2*

If roleplaying your character is something you find essential, ME3 will be lacking in that department. But don't take my word for it, look at the video yourself: http://www.twitch.tv...tuk/b/310521017


-Polite

[MisterJB]

Xayoz wrote...

Well. I'm not gonna jump on the QQ wagon before actually giving it a go myself...
Still, I really hope it's not as bad as you guys make it sound.

I would be fine with about anything, apart from them skimping on the 1 aspect I enjoy about rpgs - the ability to rope play MY character.

*Please don't be another DA2*

DA2 had better dialoge options than this.

[Jacen987]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sonintega wrote...

I thought the arrow to the knee gag was your signature, but I have seen posts of yours where you're just as terse and accusatory as anyone else, and as someone who proclaims politeness it would be more reasonable to take the positive stance on all of these developments, rather than inciting more people to preemptively despair in the downfall of narrative driven games. Apologies for misunderstanding your intent.

It's impossible to keep up with every thread on here. For each new idea or elaboration on a question I was having there's a minefield of spoilers to avoid and people freaking out for dozens of pages. And I occasionally sleep. So yeah, I'd like those links.

We're not inciting anything. We're expressing our own concerns while giving people the opportunity to look at the streams and judge for themselves. Again, please read the posts you keep referring to. Additionally, you want us to be positive about something that's detrimental to the Mass Effect experience? Really? What type of reaction do you suggest for those of us who are finding out that the Shepards we invested 100+ hours into will be railroaded into a specific canon character? Happiness?


-Polite

Well, two out of three aint bad.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Minister of Sound wrote...

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

It's still a story and adventure.

It was never your own to begin with.

I respect your opinion on that, But I'll have to disagree with you on it. ME1/ME2 had a tremendous amount of player freedom with crafting Shepard. ME3 does not.


-Polite

[sumoaltus]

PoliteAssasin wrote...


If more people had supported the fight against auto dialogue, maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. It's still very disturbing that the final game of the trilogy will have very little control over Shepard, a huge contrast from the previous two games. It will make it incredibly hard to play the first time, and sort of pointless for subsequent playthroughs since 90% of the dialogue will not change. Hope they're happy with their Uncharted version of Mass Effect. I'm sure the fans won't be so welcome to the changes come this Tuesday. I personally think this is the reason they changed the site rules, in anticipation of all of the rage that's going to consume the forums two days from now. 


-Polite

I personally love the Uncharted games, no matter how much I play them, not going to lie. Here's my take on all of this, As long as we have dialogue options, and the game is well written , I'm good to go.

Personally, I think you guys need to take a step back and relax, because you're starting to look like spoiled brats. So what you don't have all of the dialogue options you wanted, this title wasn't made specifically with you in mind.

Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game, with the three years they put into it, how could it not be?

[Atakuma]

sumoaltus wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


If more people had supported the fight against auto dialogue, maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. It's still very disturbing that the final game of the trilogy will have very little control over Shepard, a huge contrast from the previous two games. It will make it incredibly hard to play the first time, and sort of pointless for subsequent playthroughs since 90% of the dialogue will not change. Hope they're happy with their Uncharted version of Mass Effect. I'm sure the fans won't be so welcome to the changes come this Tuesday. I personally think this is the reason they changed the site rules, in anticipation of all of the rage that's going to consume the forums two days from now. 


-Polite

I personally love the Uncharted games, no matter how much I play them, not going to lie. Here's my take on all of this, As long as we have dialogue options, and the game is well written , I'm good to go.

Personally, I think you guys need to take a step back and relax, because you're starting to look like spoiled brats. So what you don't have all of the dialogue options you wanted, this title wasn't made specifically with you in mind.

Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game, with the three years they put into it, how could it not be?

Bad writing and the fact that they only spent two years on it.

[Rickin10]

sumoaltus wrote...


Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game, with the three years they put into it, how could it not be?

Duke Nukem Forever

[graciegrace]

sumoaltus wrote...
I personally love the Uncharted games, no matter how much I play them, not going to lie. Here's my take on all of this, As long as we have dialogue options, and the game is well written , I'm good to go.

Personally, I think you guys need to take a step back and relax, because you're starting to look like spoiled brats. So what you don't have all of the dialogue options you wanted, this title wasn't made specifically with you in mind.

Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game, with the three years they put into it, how could it not be?

It should have been made with the longterm fans in mind.  It's the END of a trilogy, this isn't the time to make a title for mass market appeal. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

So we're spoiled brats to expect Bioware to keep a formula that wasn't broken and worked well in the previous installments of the trilogy? It's spoiled to expect them to not have a major shift in the formula for the last game? Wow, what were we thinking? But you are correct in one thing, ME3 was not designed with us in mind. It was designed as a shooter, because that's exactly how RPG mode plays out. I don't even see the point of choosing from Story, Action, or RPG mode if you rarely get to choose 1 dialogue option out of every 10-15 minutes of dialogue.

-Polite

[Minister of Sound]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Minister of Sound wrote...

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

It's still a story and adventure.

It was never your own to begin with.

I respect your opinion on that, But I'll have to disagree with you on it. ME1/ME2 had a tremendous amount of player freedom with crafting Shepard. ME3 does not.


-Polite

Agreed. Players had a tremendous amount of power in crafting their Shepard when they could decide whether Shepard had parents or not, and it was refreshing to see that referenced in game.

[Aerevane]

Jacen987 wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Im wondering if BioWare actually knows who their fans..are.....
Is this any different in Story Mode?

They don't care who their fans are, EA cares about who will become their fans.

Why so they can ****** them off, next year. Great strategy there, EA.

Guess, the CO's must have slept through the " How to run a succesful business " course in college.

It's the same at most game companies. Look at Nintendo, they made great games for quite  a while (and sometimes still do), but it's more and more catering to the mainstream crowd that simply isn't interested in what most of the old crowd craved. And the mainstream has the numbers; any company that is owned by shareholders will have to cater to this crowd - and why shouldn't they, there's the money - BioWare is no exception in this. Their profit goes up - and any given CEO will not choose for some small crowd with specific wishes, but simply for the big and easy bucks. 

That's understandable, but I guess it's time to move on for me then...

[Jacen987]

Rickin10 wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Im wondering if BioWare actually knows who their fans..are.....
Is this any different in Story Mode?

They don't care who their fans are, EA cares about who will become their fans.

Why so they can ****** them off, next year. Great strategy there, EA.

Guess, the CO's must have slept through the " How to run a succesful business " course in college.

Nope, because the crowd they are courting are the mass market who are easily pleased.  Which is why I think we'll see at least an annual release of a Mass Effect FPS or TPS to maximize profits *shudders*

Oh please. Those people also have standarts and expectatios too. Or are you talking about causal, not just FPS fans?

[Bawseee]

I'm watching a stream right now, and yes, some of it is auto-dialogue, but there seem to be at least 1 or 2 opportunities for the convo wheel to appear during conversations. Can't speak for those who watched 6 hours of gameplay last night, but i'm sure it was the same. I stopped watching after Shepard left the Normandy for a mission because I didn't want to see TOO many spoilers, but if the game is a little more auto-dialogued and you still have the chance to actually use the convo wheel it won't be so bad. After all, this game is a step up in graphics and gameplay.