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[phimseto]

Minister of Sound wrote...

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

Funny that you mention this. That very trailer has been on my mind for a long time now, remembering what Mass Effect was supposed to be and what I believe BW intended it to be and then through the EA acquisition through now, where we have ended up. It's disheartening. The sense of control, that this is your story feels lost now and each vid I see where Shepard just gets sleep walked through conversations makes me feel worse. We aren't the fanbase EA wants. Too much work when, by their math, more streamlined play costs less and brings in more players.

The way Shepard is in ME3 and how you use him goes against everything that has come before.

[Il Divo]

sumoaltus wrote...

Personally, I think you guys need to take a step back and relax, because you're starting to look like spoiled brats. So what you don't have all of the dialogue options you wanted, this title wasn't made specifically with you in mind.

Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game, with the three years they put into it, how could it not be?

There is not having complete freedom over my character and there is ripping character control from the hands of the player. Which does ME3 do, is the question?

[Sonintega]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sonintega wrote...

I thought the arrow to the knee gag was your signature, but I have seen posts of yours where you're just as terse and accusatory as anyone else, and as someone who proclaims politeness it would be more reasonable to take the positive stance on all of these developments, rather than inciting more people to preemptively despair in the downfall of narrative driven games. Apologies for misunderstanding your intent.

It's impossible to keep up with every thread on here. For each new idea or elaboration on a question I was having there's a minefield of spoilers to avoid and people freaking out for dozens of pages. And I occasionally sleep. So yeah, I'd like those links.

We're not inciting anything. We're expressing our own concerns while giving people the opportunity to look at the streams and judge for themselves. Again, please read the posts you keep referring to. Additionally, you want us to be positive about something that's detrimental to the Mass Effect experience? Really? What type of reaction do you suggest for those of us who are finding out that the Shepards we invested 100+ hours into will be railroaded into a specific canon character? Happiness?


-Polite

Look, I haven't seen these big videos yet, but given that the full game is 30-40 hours long there's still a large portion that you haven't seen, so given then angel's advocate it's entirely possible that once the beginning exposition is up you'll have more say in further developments. If there are any choices at all there is no railroading to a specific role. Mass Effect 3 may be the victim of streamlining, but considering how trite most of the middle options were anyways, and that they gave no reward for use and were therefore not used consistently by a majority of players, it was probably obvious that most players didn't care if they were around, and getting rid of the options that are all different shades of yes streamlines the exerience. Shepard was always intended to be an emotional character, but with choices made by the player to determine how noble or aggressive. More control given to Shepard allows more affecting scenes while still allowing the player to dictate the direction of the story.

-Angel's advocate

[Jaron Oberyn]

I have to say their silence on this issue is deafening. They know what they did but aren't willing to confront us about it until they have our money. I just can't even recognize this company any more. I'ma take a little break from this discussion though, got a lot of stuff to do and can't waste time arguing over this especially since we're not going to be getting an answer from them. Quite honestly this is going to be the last Bioware game I purchase, and I'm sure that come this tuesday you're going to be seeing a lot of statements like that from people who have been disappointed at the railroading of a character they were roleplaying.

-Polite

[Cody211282]

sumoaltus wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


If more people had supported the fight against auto dialogue, maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. It's still very disturbing that the final game of the trilogy will have very little control over Shepard, a huge contrast from the previous two games. It will make it incredibly hard to play the first time, and sort of pointless for subsequent playthroughs since 90% of the dialogue will not change. Hope they're happy with their Uncharted version of Mass Effect. I'm sure the fans won't be so welcome to the changes come this Tuesday. I personally think this is the reason they changed the site rules, in anticipation of all of the rage that's going to consume the forums two days from now. 


-Polite

I personally love the Uncharted games, no matter how much I play them, not going to lie. Here's my take on all of this, As long as we have dialogue options, and the game is well written , I'm good to go.

Personally, I think you guys need to take a step back and relax, because you're starting to look like spoiled brats. So what you don't have all of the dialogue options you wanted, this title wasn't made specifically with you in mind.

Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game, with the three years they put into it, how could it not be?

Most players have come to expect a level of roleplaying in their RPG, auto dialog takes that away from you.
Being able to role play was a huge part of ME1/ME2, and my taking it out of ME3 your effectivly turning it into a diffrent game then what is expected from them. It would be like if COD became a platformer, it could be the best damn platformer ever made, but the fans would still cry foul.

Also just because they spent 3 years on it doesn't mean it's going to be good, look at DNF.

[FryPanNN]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Minister of Sound wrote...

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

It's still a story and adventure.

It was never your own to begin with.

I respect your opinion on that, But I'll have to disagree with you on it. ME1/ME2 had a tremendous amount of player freedom with crafting Shepard. ME3 does not.


-Polite

Indeed. ME1 had a tremendous amount of choice. Even when people complain that all led to the same response, it was hardly the truth. Most times, the paragon and "neutral" were the same, but the renegade were always different. ME2 reduced a little the amount of chosen dialogue Shepard had, but was still acceptable. Then came LOTSB and I said: what the hell?

Now, ME3 almost doesn't have anything to choose, you just watch. The forced friendships, the forced rivalries, the forced emotions Shepard express. Maybe some people are okay with that, and for that reason there should be this action mode. Us, that came to appreciate these games because of roleplaying are getting a really disappointing ending of this story we once could mold the way we liked.

[mrbauxjangles]

Auto dialogue is good for some things but Bioware had been giving us choice for years now they take it away game won't be the same for me now i am not getting the game

[Fasty1]

All right see ya polite good riddance.. talk too much, go outside, get a life, make money, be happy.

[Almostfaceman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

So we're spoiled brats to expect Bioware to keep a formula that wasn't broken and worked well in the previous installments of the trilogy? It's spoiled to expect them to not have a major shift in the formula for the last game? Wow, what were we thinking? But you are correct in one thing, ME3 was not designed with us in mind. It was designed as a shooter, because that's exactly how RPG mode plays out. I don't even see the point of choosing from Story, Action, or RPG mode if you rarely get to choose 1 dialogue option out of every 10-15 minutes of dialogue.

-Polite

We'll all make up our own minds on whether we consider it a shooter or not, though of course you're entitled to your opinion.

This thread has evolved into non-discussion and spam of the same points over and over again. All the main posters have made their point, perhaps it's time to move along.

[graciegrace]

phimseto wrote...
Funny that you mention this. That very trailer has been on my mind for a long time now, remembering what Mass Effect was supposed to be and what I believe BW intended it to be and then through the EA acquisition through now, where we have ended up. It's disheartening. The sense of control, that this is your story feels lost now and each vid I see where Shepard just gets sleep walked through conversations makes me feel worse. We aren't the fanbase EA wants. Too much work when, by their math, more streamlined play costs less and brings in more players.

The way Shepard is in ME3 and how you use him goes against everything that has come before.

I still spend time wondering what the trilogy would have looked like if Karpyshyn had stayed involved tbh...

[jbg927]

sumoaltus wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...


If more people had supported the fight against auto dialogue, maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. It's still very disturbing that the final game of the trilogy will have very little control over Shepard, a huge contrast from the previous two games. It will make it incredibly hard to play the first time, and sort of pointless for subsequent playthroughs since 90% of the dialogue will not change. Hope they're happy with their Uncharted version of Mass Effect. I'm sure the fans won't be so welcome to the changes come this Tuesday. I personally think this is the reason they changed the site rules, in anticipation of all of the rage that's going to consume the forums two days from now. 


-Polite

I personally love the Uncharted games, no matter how much I play them, not going to lie. Here's my take on all of this, As long as we have dialogue options, and the game is well written , I'm good to go.

Personally, I think you guys need to take a step back and relax, because you're starting to look like spoiled brats. So what you don't have all of the dialogue options you wanted, this title wasn't made specifically with you in mind.

Mass Effect 3 is going to be a great game, with the three years they put into it, how could it not be?

we are not acting spoiled.  Bioware removed what was essential to the series from the beginning.  And actually the series began with us in mind, hence all the dialogue choices in the first two games.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I'll still end up buying it, but after my first playthrough I'm not going to play it again. ME will end at ME1 or ME2 for me, but not 3. Hopefully some dedicated fans can come and make a fan version of ME3 and how it should be, but that's probably too much to hope for.

-Polite

I'm still here, but I'm going now lol. 

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 04 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[Takio]

I watched a new video, touring the Citadel and honestly the auto-dialogue doesn't look nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. It's a step-up from Mass Effect 2 but not completely outrageous.

Link:

[joe1852]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I have to say their silence on this issue is deafening. They know what they did but aren't willing to confront us about it until they have our money. I just can't even recognize this company any more. I'ma take a little break from this discussion though, got a lot of stuff to do and can't waste time arguing over this especially since we're not going to be getting an answer from them. Quite honestly this is going to be the last Bioware game I purchase, and I'm sure that come this tuesday you're going to be seeing a lot of statements like that from people who have been disappointed at the railroading of a character they were roleplaying.

-Polite

stop purchasing their games after mass effect 3 that will teach them

[FryPanNN]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I have to say their silence on this issue is deafening. They know what they did but aren't willing to confront us about it until they have our money. I just can't even recognize this company any more. I'ma take a little break from this discussion though, got a lot of stuff to do and can't waste time arguing over this especially since we're not going to be getting an answer from them. Quite honestly this is going to be the last Bioware game I purchase, and I'm sure that come this tuesday you're going to be seeing a lot of statements like that from people who have been disappointed at the railroading of a character they were roleplaying.

-Polite

Yes, absolutely. I've lost my trust with bioware products. Not that I will never play any game they make in the future. But I won't be optimistic and hopeful anymore. I had hope this time at least there wouldn't be the same forced friendship with Liara. But look at their meeting on Mars. They make Shepard "canonize" a harsh relationship with Ashley at the beginning of this game, but make us be best friends with the other.

There's no reason to it. It's not time constraints or budget. They are doing this well aware some fans of the game won't like it. And I didn't. No offense, I will still buy this game, I want to finish my trilogy. But Bioware won't have my trust, hope for future games, much less faith in what the writers,devs say.

[Rickin10]

Jacen987 wrote...



Oh please. Those people also have standarts and expectatios too. Or are you talking about causal, not just FPS fans?

I'm talking about the mass market.  Sure there are a lot of demanding FPS fans out there, but in the modern world where video games are as big as music and film, generally the things that sell best are the least complex that work to a formula that people feel warm and comfortable about.  In  film you get the huge blockbusters that are painfully formulaic with cliched 2d character etc, and in the charts you get unchallenging safe pop, like boybands, Bieber, covers etc.  Sure every now and then you'll get a 'The Artist' that breaks the rules, but companies like EA want easy sure things, that are simple cost-effective, proven.  Rpg are not that.  FPSs are.

[joe1852]

Takio wrote...

I watched a new video, touring the Citadel and honestly the auto-dialogue doesn't look nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. It's a step-up from Mass Effect 2 but not completely outrageous.

Link:

seems like a lot of dialogue options when he spoke to bailey, the investigate option had quite a few choices to choose from.

[Wulfram]

I'm going to buy it eventually. Just when it's at a price I'll be prepared to be forgiving about things.

Considering how big an issue this is for some, I think people have been pretty restrained. Not much flaming and pretty well contained in this thread.

[android654]

joe1852 wrote...

Takio wrote...

I watched a new video, touring the Citadel and honestly the auto-dialogue doesn't look nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. It's a step-up from Mass Effect 2 but not completely outrageous.

Link:

seems like a lot of dialogue options when he spoke to bailey, the investigate option had quite a few choices to choose from.

Come back after you've seen 6+ hours.

[Wulfram]

joe1852 wrote...

seems like a lot of dialogue options when he spoke to bailey, the investigate option had quite a few choices to choose from.

Investigate options aren't really a substitute for stuff which develops the character.  At least, not for me.

[joe1852]

android654 wrote...

joe1852 wrote...

Takio wrote...

I watched a new video, touring the Citadel and honestly the auto-dialogue doesn't look nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. It's a step-up from Mass Effect 2 but not completely outrageous.

Link:

seems like a lot of dialogue options when he spoke to bailey, the investigate option had quite a few choices to choose from.

Come back after you've seen 6+ hours.

doubt i will this isnt really a big deal to me

[Hunter of Legends]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Minister of Sound wrote...

If only PoliteAssassin and I could have done something to prevent this when there was still time.

Casey Hudson has now retroactively lied when he said that "This is your story, your adventure.", during the Mass Effect E3 06 trailer.

It's still a story and adventure.

It was never your own to begin with.

I respect your opinion on that, But I'll have to disagree with you on it. ME1/ME2 had a tremendous amount of player freedom with crafting Shepard. ME3 does not.


-Polite

To each his own.

I hope all of you still get some sort of enjoyment out of the game though.

[Jacen987]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm going to buy it eventually. Just when it's at a price I'll be prepared to be forgiving about things.

Considering how big an issue this is for some, I think people have been pretty restrained. Not much flaming and pretty well contained in this thread.

Whats strange, is that not a single dev/mod has even tried to re-assure us with the " Wait until Tuesday.I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprized"

And boy, can i use it right now.

[Atakuma]

Jacen987 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I'm going to buy it eventually. Just when it's at a price I'll be prepared to be forgiving about things.

Considering how big an issue this is for some, I think people have been pretty restrained. Not much flaming and pretty well contained in this thread.

Whats strange, is that not a single dev/mod has even tried to re-assure us with the " Wait until Tuesday.I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprized"

And boy, can i use it right now.

They wont do that because it would be lying, and they wont tell the truth because they might lose a sale or two.