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[Hunter of Legends]

Squallypo wrote...

mgs 4 all over again ? ala mass effect style

Some say the greatest game ever made.

I say it was pretentious nonsensical crap.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 05 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[Zarradan]

Isn't ME3 supposed to have like nearly as much voice recording as the first two games combined? If so, then where is all of this dialogue going if we're losing out on as many dialogue options as people are saying? That just doesn't stack up.

[SyyRaaaN]

Im playing the game right now. The amount of auto-dialogue is rampant. Seriously; There is so much auto dialogue you probably wont lose that much if you go straight for action mode, thats no exaggeration. (im 1:30 hours in)


Already now there are several conversations that have been on full auto without my Shepard having anything to ask etc. These forums are going to explode.

Modifié par SyyRaaaN, 05 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Zarradan wrote...

Isn't ME3 supposed to have like nearly as much voice recording as the first two games combined? If so, then where is all of this dialogue going if we're losing out on as many dialogue options as people are saying? That just doesn't stack up.

More character interaction for one.

The squad isn't as silent as the previous two games.

[android654]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Oh man there is alot of dialogue. Just finished Mars.

Auto or otherwise?

Meant to say auto.  It's definitely noticeable.

Don't you understand, we're wrong. Who cares that we've seen hours and that you yourself have played it, it will be different when they play it.

[Bawseee]

Blah.

Modifié par Bawseee, 05 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[DatIrishFella]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

mgs 4 all over again ? ala mass effect style

Some say the greatest game ever made.

I say it was pretentious nonsensical crap.

Once you invest in the story, you understand whats going on but that's for another arguement. 

[Hunter of Legends]

DatIrishFella wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

mgs 4 all over again ? ala mass effect style

Some say the greatest game ever made.

I say it was pretentious nonsensical crap.

Once you invest in the story

That's true for any story

[KevShep]

Zarradan wrote...

So long as the bigger decisions aren't wrestled from our control, I don't think the trimming down of dialogue choices is necessarily a bad thing. I felt bogged down at times especially in ME2 with the amount of dialogue options available. I didn't want to miss out on important plot points and useful information, but often I just wanted to get on with it.

With this being the climax of the trilogy, maybe this is a design decision they went with to keep up the momentum of the story?

Sorry but thats irrelevant.

ME is our story not Bioware's.
Shepard is OUR charater not Bioware's.
Shepard personality is OURS not Bioware's.

Iam fine with changes...just not ones that are key to an immersion driven RPG that should be a no brainer for Bioware.

Btw, If you feel bogged down then maybe you should play on action mode. Speaking of that mode what is the use playing RPG mode if your dialogue is dumbed down anyway? 

[Matt VT Schlo]

But its just a demo....oh wait! oops

WTH, did choice take up too much memory too?

Modifié par Matt VT Schlo, 05 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[DatIrishFella]

SyyRaaaN wrote...

Im playing the game right now. The amount of auto-dialogue is rampant. Seriously; There is so much auto dialogue you probably wont lose that much if you go straight for action mode, thats no exaggeration. (im 1:30 hours in)


Already now there are several conversations that have been on full auto without my Shepard having anything to ask etc. These forums are going to explode.

We know, but even more clarification just makes it worse. 

[Squallypo]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

mgs 4 all over again ? ala mass effect style

Some say the greatest game ever made.

I say it was pretentious nonsensical crap.

after the long hype mgs4 had alot of those that praised it realized they were wrong on their perception and view of the game later... how typical is that? the point is as you said its nonsensical crap. 

ME 1 >>>>>>>>>> ME 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME 3 in terms of interactivity.

[Hunter of Legends]

Squallypo wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

mgs 4 all over again ? ala mass effect style

Some say the greatest game ever made.

I say it was pretentious nonsensical crap.

after the long hype mgs4 had alot of those that praised it realized they were wrong on their perception and view of the game later... how typical is that? the point is as you said its nonsensical crap. 

ME 1 >>>>>>>>>> ME 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME 3 in terms of interactivity.

Then you have missed my point all-together.<_<

[shepskisaac]

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

WTH, did choice take up too much memory too?

I think it's a combination of 2 things. Kinect + alternate dialogues in non-import game. In both cases, the goal to get new/casual players most likely resulted in having to reduce number of dialogue options.......

Modifié par IsaacShep, 05 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Squallypo]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

mgs 4 all over again ? ala mass effect style

Some say the greatest game ever made.

I say it was pretentious nonsensical crap.

after the long hype mgs4 had alot of those that praised it realized they were wrong on their perception and view of the game later... how typical is that? the point is as you said its nonsensical crap. 

ME 1 >>>>>>>>>> ME 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME 3 in terms of interactivity.

Then you have missed my point all-together.<_<

i knew you would say that  

[Hunter of Legends]

Squallypo wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

mgs 4 all over again ? ala mass effect style

Some say the greatest game ever made.

I say it was pretentious nonsensical crap.

after the long hype mgs4 had alot of those that praised it realized they were wrong on their perception and view of the game later... how typical is that? the point is as you said its nonsensical crap. 

ME 1 >>>>>>>>>> ME 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME 3 in terms of interactivity.

Then you have missed my point all-together.<_<

i knew you would say that  

You must be a wizard:wizard:

[joe1852]

IsaacShep wrote...

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

WTH, did choice take up too much memory too?

I think it's a combination of 2 things. Kinect + alternate dialogues in non-import game.

lol @ blaming kinect

[android654]

IsaacShep wrote...

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

WTH, did choice take up too much memory too?

I think it's a combination of 2 things. Kinect + alternate dialogues in non-import game.

It has a lot more to do with the final act of the game. They restricted your ability to choose and guide Shepard because all of the endings follow the same linear path, and you have to feel like you're the one guiding yourself there. The only way to do it is to eliminate your choice along the way.

[Zarradan]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Zarradan wrote...

Isn't ME3 supposed to have like nearly as much voice recording as the first two games combined? If so, then where is all of this dialogue going if we're losing out on as many dialogue options as people are saying? That just doesn't stack up.

More character interaction for one.

The squad isn't as silent as the previous two games.

sure, but still if you take out the majority of the investigate options and all of that, I'm surprised we're left with a similar amount of voice over as the first two games combined. That's a big chunk missing.

[Hunter of Legends]

Zarradan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Zarradan wrote...

Isn't ME3 supposed to have like nearly as much voice recording as the first two games combined? If so, then where is all of this dialogue going if we're losing out on as many dialogue options as people are saying? That just doesn't stack up.

More character interaction for one.

The squad isn't as silent as the previous two games.

sure, but still if you take out the majority of the investigate options and all of that, I'm surprised we're left with a similar amount of voice over as the first two games combined. That's a big chunk missing.

We shall see:ph34r:

[YankeeBravo]

Ok....what I don't understand is if there's so much autodialogue, why hasn't IGN's live review made note of it or any of the other previews/reviews so far?

I mean, the guy that handled IGN's live review seemed to be a serious fan of the series, so you'd think something like having conversation options taken away and Shepard put on autopilot would be something he'd have jumped on.

[hudakj]

Il Divo wrote...
Storytelling? No. Autodialogue and player input have nothing to do with storytelling. This isn't about the autodialogue ruining the storytelling. That would make no sense. Excessive autodialogue ruins the experience, in contrast to the ability of the player to choose Shepard's responses. It would be like Half-Life embracing cut-scenes to tell the story of Gordon Freedom, something which goes completely against the style of narrative.  

Exactly, the dialogue choices were a gameplay element rather than one really controlling storytelling.  I liked the choosing Shepards responses in a wide variety of situations, not just the "important" decisions.  Heck, the Mass Effect games (particularly ME2) were personally more investing in their character interactions than their overall plot.  So I really hope I get close to the amount of dialogue prompts and topic choices as I did get in ME2 when it came to character interaction.

Auto dialogue would be good an upcoming Dead Space 3, where dialogue choice was never really a core part of gameplay.

I'm a bit worried what a Dragon Age 3 will look like with autodialogue.  As much as people mocked some of the dialogue options in that game (and it was dumbed down), I enjoyed the option of taking a verbal ****** on otherwise serious moments.

YankeeBravo wrote...

Ok....what I don't understand is if
there's so much autodialogue, why hasn't IGN's live review made note of
it or any of the other previews/reviews so far?

I mean, the guy
that handled IGN's live review seemed to be a serious fan of the series,
so you'd think something like having conversation options taken away
and Shepard put on autopilot would be something he'd have jumped
on.

I found it curious myself.  Though I did enjoy his optimism in the parts of the game he did enjoy.  Also he did say something along the lines of the game hitting its stride 6 or so hours in, so maybe dialogue options get more plentiful deeper into the game?

Modifié par hudakj, 05 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[Hunter of Legends]

YankeeBravo wrote...

Ok....what I don't understand is if there's so much autodialogue, why hasn't IGN's live review made note of it or any of the other previews/reviews so far?

I mean, the guy that handled IGN's live review seemed to be a serious fan of the series, so you'd think something like having conversation options taken away and Shepard put on autopilot would be something he'd have jumped on.

Gatt9 would tell you it's for payment reasons.

I'd say they either feel it's not a big deal or it doesn't ruin the experience.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 05 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[Squallypo]

DatIrishFella wrote...

SyyRaaaN wrote...

Im playing the game right now. The amount of auto-dialogue is rampant. Seriously; There is so much auto dialogue you probably wont lose that much if you go straight for action mode, thats no exaggeration. (im 1:30 hours in)


Already now there are several conversations that have been on full auto without my Shepard having anything to ask etc. These forums are going to explode.

We know, but even more clarification just makes it worse. 

thats why i said on other thread im ready for the epic WARZONE with my in process armor and my ready weapon which is my pink neon lightsaber  ready for it !

[android654]

YankeeBravo wrote...

Ok....what I don't understand is if there's so much autodialogue, why hasn't IGN's live review made note of it or any of the other previews/reviews so far?

I mean, the guy that handled IGN's live review seemed to be a serious fan of the series, so you'd think something like having conversation options taken away and Shepard put on autopilot would be something he'd have jumped on.

Promotion dollars, ad space, promise of future deals, his former co worker working in the game as a character. Take your pick.