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[Omilophile]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Reading all these posts... my heart is actually breaking.

The, "illusion" of player made dialogue doesn't matter. It's the point of making the choice that counts. Something being worded differently 3 times still makes an impact on how your character acts. I just... I can't believe I am reading this. I am so upset right now that BioWare chose to do this... I'm in shock...

Your heart is ACTUALLY BREAKING because of a change in dialogue options on a VIDEO GAME. I want you to stop and think about that for a minute.

[Dragoonlordz]

IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
In ME1:

Paragon response: Yes.
Neutral response: Yes.
Renegade response: Yes.

They just gave the players the illusion that they had a lot of choices. The auto-dialogues in ME3 are simply cutting out the middleman.

Judging by the footage of Palaven's moon, there were hardly anything worth expanding with dialogue choices to begin with (as Shepard said, they're in a war zone) so I don't really see the problem at all.

This.

This is the most perfect reply I have seen in the 97 pages. And it should be stickied so people would learn something .

Keep it up you will only have yourself to blame for what happens in the future. Keep praising the removal of players ability to select dialogue, make choices (no matter how 'illusional' it may be) and the only one to blame will be yourself when the 'middle man' is cut out completely further down the line. Well either way won't be my problem anymore. I only wish to get ME3 to finish the trilogy at this time, so how much more they restrict the players input and choices will be on your head later while I will be playing titles from other developers which are expanding on player choice and selection while you dig your own grave praising it's removal.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[IPLASTIKMAN]

But as an ending game i feel like there's not time for choices other then major ones that change the decisions that allow u to defeat the reapers, i feel like since its the last one its better to be a little linear so we can get a epic plot ending .

[Heathen Pride]

Omilophile wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Reading all these posts... my heart is actually breaking.

The, "illusion" of player made dialogue doesn't matter. It's the point of making the choice that counts. Something being worded differently 3 times still makes an impact on how your character acts. I just... I can't believe I am reading this. I am so upset right now that BioWare chose to do this... I'm in shock...

Your heart is ACTUALLY BREAKING because of a change in dialogue options on a VIDEO GAME. I want you to stop and think about that for a minute.

No worse than when grown men go apespit over children's games like basketball and football.

[Rockworm503]

LuGer_33 wrote...

Based on his responses here and in another thread, I'm thinking PoliteAssassin is trolling. Yes, there seems to be less choices and more auto-dialogue, but it's not even close to "99%" or 5:1. That's a load of crap.

And if you've just been "watching videos on YouTube," you should wait to actually start playing the game before going around and touting your opinion as fact and frightening people. To be fair, you said "you'll all see for yourselves," but still. 

Yeah I was thinking this too.
Kind of inconsistant in how he said he saw 4 - 5 hours of watching someone else play and that somehow he's seen the entire game and now he knows for a fact.
I'm not trusting anyone whose being that vague.
People really should just wait and see what the game is like for themselves and take what other people say on a forum with a grain of salt.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Player agency is so overrated. Everything should be more like a movie you watch.

(is there a less bias source on how much auto dialog is around?)

Modifié par CrustyBot, 06 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[AkiKishi]

Deztyn wrote...

I'm spending 80 dollars I really can't afford to spend (hello there maxed Amazon store card) on a game I've been anticipating for years and is shaping up to be extremely disappointing if the spoilers are all true. So no. Not melodramatic at all to say I wish I hadn't preordered.

This is why the keep quiet around shipping date. Once you get charged it's a pain to send things back so you are more likely to just accept it.

[IPLASTIKMAN]

Jesus Christ !!! U want choices... Then go back to living ur life and make choices , ones that will really affect u. ITS A GAME!!! omg idk i just feel like nobody will ever be pleased.

[augustburnt]

IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

Jesus Christ !!! U want choices... Then go back to living ur life and make choices , ones that will really affect u. ITS A GAME!!! omg idk i just feel like nobody will ever be pleased.

So you use that as an excuse for making a ****ty game? After a long ass day at work I want to come home and relax for a bit, sorry if I have standards.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I would get specific but this is the no spoilers section. Lovely that I'm a troll because you don't agree with me, but the videos are on YouTube feel free to search them out and watch them. You'll find out once you've completed the game. I'd love to hear what you have to say then. I gain nothing by "trolling". This forum is going to erupt into chaos tomorrow not because of something I said, but because people who've roleplayed different characters will be railroaded into canon Shepard while in rpg mode and have no reason for doing multiple playthroughs. But don't take my word for it, simply watch the forums tomorrow once everyone's played it and play the game for yourself.


-Polite

[LuGer_33_]

IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

Jesus Christ !!! U want choices... Then go back to living ur life and make choices , ones that will really affect u. ITS A GAME!!! omg idk i just feel like nobody will ever be pleased.

The series is founded on choices, sir. That's one of the things that make it so unique. Big and small, arguably the best thing ME had going for and what elevated it above Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, etc. was that everyone's play through was unique for them. 

If that component is largely missing from ME3, then people have a right to be disappointed... 

[RainyDayLover]

@Polite If you look back, I've actually been defending the use of auto-dialogue as long as it's a matter of simply eliminating the illusion of choice which was present throughout ME1 in abundance. I don't care if they automate the dialog instead of presenting 3 different responses that lead to the exact same dialog or even slightly varied dialog. But with the way you're going on about how 99% of it's automated, you've actually got me worried now. Are you sure you're not exaggerating?

I'll still play the game before I throw out an ultimatum, though.

[IPLASTIKMAN]

God if this game is really killing people inside I could only image how your really lives are.

[LuGer_33_]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I would get specific but this is the no spoilers section. Lovely that I'm a troll because you don't agree with me, but the videos are on YouTube feel free to search them out and watch them. You'll find out once you've completed the game. I'd love to hear what you have to say then. I gain nothing by "trolling". This forum is going to erupt into chaos tomorrow not because of something I said, but because people who've roleplayed different characters will be railroaded into canon Shepard while in rpg mode and have no reason for doing multiple playthroughs. But don't take my word for it, simply watch the forums tomorrow once everyone's played it and play the game for yourself.


-Polite

I'm not saying you're a troll because I don't agree with you. I'm saying you're a troll because you're running around making claims with insufficient evidence and experience with the game, offering stats like "99% of dialogue is automated," and the "ratio is 5:1" when you have nothing to back those numbers up with. 

Nothing personal; I just think you're jumping the gun and going about it in the wrong and most attention-grabbing way possible. 

[IPLASTIKMAN]

LuGer_33 wrote...

IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

Jesus Christ !!! U want choices... Then go back to living ur life and make choices , ones that will really affect u. ITS A GAME!!! omg idk i just feel like nobody will ever be pleased.

The series is founded on choices, sir. That's one of the things that make it so unique. Big and small, arguably the best thing ME had going for and what elevated it above Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, etc. was that everyone's play through was unique for them. 

If that component is largely missing from ME3, then people have a right to be disappointed... 

 

 
Wtf do u expect from sequals and trilogys . The entertainment world is exploding with money making opportunities , so why not take advantage even if it means dissapointing people here and there.

[Jaron Oberyn]

From what it looked like at first, it seemed it was only automatic for the obvious responses and such, but watching further into the game, and up to the point of taking back earth (where I stopped myself) it started to be auto dialogue with squad talks on the Normandy, and character defining responses. I wish it wasn't the case, but sadly it is. There are many HUGE conversations in this game that are all automatic. Shepard is really canon now.

-Polite

[Alexii]

I cant even have auto dialog. U know why ? Cause i got no FACE ! =)

[AkiKishi]

IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

God if this game is really killing people inside I could only image how your really lives are.

People just bought a product that was mis-sold on what the devs had been claming for months.

[Lucy Glitter]

^ And what the company is famous for (i.e. dialogue choices/wheels)

Omilophile wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Reading all these posts... my heart is actually breaking.

The, "illusion" of player made dialogue doesn't matter. It's the point of making the choice that counts. Something being worded differently 3 times still makes an impact on how your character acts. I just... I can't believe I am reading this. I am so upset right now that BioWare chose to do this... I'm in shock...

Your heart is ACTUALLY BREAKING because of a change in dialogue options on a VIDEO GAME. I want you to stop and think about that for a minute.

I have, and I still feel the same. I've played BW games since BG2 when I was young... I am a game enthusiast. Obsidian and BW are my two favourite developer companies. I love RPGs and having choice in a game in terms of dialogue. 

If your favourite book series ruined something really important in their next book, i'm sure you'd be as upset. A game is a form of media, and a lot of people feel attached to a lot of games. Why would you even question that?

Heathen Pride wrote...
No worse than when grown men go apespit over children's games like basketball and football.

 

Exactly. Let me be dramatic over this, it's my thing. Like you have your thing. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 06 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[Rockworm503]

Maybe you can link to these so called youtube videos? All I can find are trailers.

[IPLASTIKMAN]

What do u mean by further , it could mean 20% into the game and u still don't know what the rest of the game is like.

[Jaron Oberyn]

@Luger - again, do you think the battle for earth will contain dialogue choice to make up for the lack in the rest of the game? Look on YouTube, there are plenty of playthroughs that were uploaded today from people who've had the game for days. From leaving earth to returning to earth, 99% of the dialogue is automatic. But don't take my word for it, play it yourself, or if youre on the fence, watch the YouTube videos. I don't know what else is going to convince you.

[IPLASTIKMAN]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Luger - again, do you think the battle for earth will contain dialogue choice to make up for the lack in the rest of the game? Look on YouTube, there are plenty of playthroughs that were uploaded today from people who've had the game for days. From leaving earth to returning to earth, 99% of the dialogue is automatic. But don't take my word for it, play it yourself, or if youre on the fence, watch the YouTube videos. I don't know what else is going to convince you.

 
never noticed ur SIG. But it does lead me to believe that u might be a troll in some way. Lol

[LuGer_33_]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Luger - again, do you think the battle for earth will contain dialogue choice to make up for the lack in the rest of the game? Look on YouTube, there are plenty of playthroughs that were uploaded today from people who've had the game for days. From leaving earth to returning to earth, 99% of the dialogue is automatic. But don't take my word for it, play it yourself, or if youre on the fence, watch the YouTube videos. I don't know what else is going to convince you.

I'm in the process of playing it and won't be watching any playthroughs, and no, you likely won't be able to convince me until I've played it myself. 

I just put Jessica Chobot on the Normandy. Ridiculous how much it looks like her and w/ her voicing the character... lol the nerdgasms that are going to be had, I can't even imagine.

Freaking Bioware...