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[PSUHammer]

Rotkaepchen wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

So basically, you're starting "damage control" policy, like you did with Dragon Age 2?

Yep.

Standard operating procedure for Bioware at this point.

So this place is gonna become a biodrones only zone. Getting rid of the pesky critics and boycott instigators.

No prob, I'm outa here.

Haha...nope just make a place where people who actually own and REGISTER their games (hint, hint) can go.  If you are not a fan and don't own any of their games, why waste part of your life posting here?

[PSUHammer]

mogonk wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

mogonk wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
So... if I buy a game from Bioware, I'm a mindless husk
O:

Not necessarily.  You might just be a slow learner.

Or a masochist.

Soo...
I can't be a normal guy who buys a game to play it for a while, then throw it away after finish with it and move to a different game?

No middle point here?
No?

You're right, I'm very sorry.  I will amend my list of reasons to buy Bioware's games, and add "low expectations".

So what is a person who hates their games yet posts in their forums?

[FERMi27]

But how will I be notified of the upcoming sports events livestreams? I've been mainly using BSN for that.

[Johnny Shepard]

This is great news! Finaly a place for the serius players to talk with out trolls claming to own the game. There people will HAVE to own the game to talk about it.

Also reg. the new rules, it's sad that it would have to come to this but I do understand that you are tierd of people calling names and behaving badly knowing they will only be banned for a day or 2. The forum is horrible when a new game is released and I don't think I'm the only one who stop going here after release because nof it. I just hope that there is some concideration for sudden burst of anger, it can happen to anyone.

[AJRimmsey]

how will this affect selling the game onto others ?


aside from that this segregation has alweays been good for the community,the trolls who dont own stay in thier forum.
the trolls who own the game risk a ban and wrecking thier account,game and email address all in one fell swoop.

also means moderating becomes a simple button click process,so be careful what members you annoy or they might start reporting you to get you banned just for kicks.

ps..you might want to find a place new potential customers can find out about the game from actual owners,as being locked out of the game owners forum means they have to rely on off site sources.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 03 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[mogonk]

didymos1120 wrote...

Those rules aren't actually new.  They're just being given more emphasis now.  And besides, under the "old" rules they reserved the right to ban anyone for anything at anytime anyway.

Of course they did.  This isn't a rules change, it's a reminder.

Or, to be more blunt, a warning.  If people start pouring onto the forums to complain about ME3 the way they did with DA2, they'll start banning people left and right.  That's what they're telling us.  Exact same thing as DA2.

That's why the forums become "biodrone only zones".  Not because it requires a registered game, because they go out of their way to suppress criticism by closing threads and banning people.

[AJRimmsey]

mogonk wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Those rules aren't actually new.  They're just being given more emphasis now.  And besides, under the "old" rules they reserved the right to ban anyone for anything at anytime anyway.

Of course they did.  This isn't a rules change, it's a reminder.

Or, to be more blunt, a warning.  If people start pouring onto the forums to complain about ME3 the way they did with DA2, they'll start banning people left and right.  That's what they're telling us.  Exact same thing as DA2.

That's why the forums become "biodrone only zones".  Not because it requires a registered game, because they go out of their way to suppress criticism by closing threads and banning people.

they do that now.

but with the new system the worst of the trolls will suffer the most.
and face it,the worst are the actual game fans,so it will curb them and cull thier numbers.

wouldnt you like a forum free from the sychophantic too ?
,they will start to use the private forum and leave everyone alone to go private to fight amongst themselves,i know those are the ones who annoy me the most.

added bonus is if they get bored with each other and come into the open section to flame,they still risk everything with a ban.

winners all round.

[mogonk]

^That would be nice if it were so, but we know from experience that using caps too much or simply saying "that's stupid" is enough for a ban IF you're bashing Bioware, whereas flaming in support of Bioware basically has to use racial slurs or violent threats to get modded.

Modifié par mogonk, 03 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[Johnny Shepard]

mogonk wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Those rules aren't actually new.  They're just being given more emphasis now.  And besides, under the "old" rules they reserved the right to ban anyone for anything at anytime anyway.

Of course they did.  This isn't a rules change, it's a reminder.

Or, to be more blunt, a warning.  If people start pouring onto the forums to complain about ME3 the way they did with DA2, they'll start banning people left and right.  That's what they're telling us.  Exact same thing as DA2.

That's why the forums become "biodrone only zones".  Not because it requires a registered game, because they go out of their way to suppress criticism by closing threads and banning people.

No, if people start pouring onto the forums to complain about ME3 the way they did with DA2 without owning the game. That is what they want to stop. The people who complain for the complaining.
When DA2 came out the forum was so full of complaining and everybody started their own thread just to say the same thing and everybody who hade something good to say about the game got shot down but the complainger saying that they where just stupid fanboys. That made other fans, like me, stay away from the forums.
How fun is it to come to the forum do discuss something you liked in the game and find that the first 100 threads where just complaining thread about how Bioware sold us out, how much you hate DA2 and threads insulting everybody who worked on DA2.
People where complaining about EVERYTHING and never saying anything good. And with everybody starting new threads to complain about the same thing the last 15 people complained about, do you blame them for making tuffer rules and a forum for only gameowners?
They have said over and over that we have the right to tell them what we disslike about the game as long as we hold a civil tung about it and don't insult people, and as long as we don't start 10 threads about the same thing.

mogonk wrote...

^That would be nice if it were so, but we
know from experience that using caps too much or simply saying "that's
stupid" is enough for a ban IF you're bashing Bioware, whereas flaming
in support of Bioware basically has to use racial slurs or violent
threats to get modded.

That is plain wrong. They close down all the "Thank you Bioware" thread also.
And no one gets banned for saying "that's stupid". Remember 1 year ago when everybody was disapointed that nothing happened on that special date that was on flyers in the DA: Awekening box? They only banned some of the people who complained the most and speaking as one of the banned I know what I'm talking about.
Trust me, they don't let fans flame in suport.

Modifié par Johnny Shepard, 03 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[voteDC]

A great idea. Looking forward to seeing you all in there on the 9th.

[AJRimmsey]

mogonk wrote...

^That would be nice if it were so, but we know from experience that using caps too much or simply saying "that's stupid" is enough for a ban IF you're bashing Bioware, whereas flaming in support of Bioware basically has to use racial slurs or violent threats to get modded.

sad but true.

theres a reason the phrase i see here most is "this is BSN"

but come on..admit it,seeing the self righteous,sychophantic and pious getting banned would be better than watching a twosome twix salma hyak and angelina jolie.

not that it matters to me on the whole,as i dont register games in case i want to resell.

but if its a genuine attempt to change this places reputation,i am all for it,
everything posted here can be found on the net and in its present state the BSN is not a nice place to be.

this is of course if they actually do follow through and do ban the nasties.

[mogonk]

Johnny Shepard wrote...
as we don't start 10 threads about the same thing.

...unless that thing is "Bioware is awesome!" or "I love this game, thank you for making it, how can I give you more money?".  You can make duplicate threads like that all day long, not a problem.  Oh, they'll close it....eventually.  But they won't ban you or suspend your posting privileges. 

But if one person makes a thread criticizing the narrative, and another makes a thread criticizing the dialogue system?  BAN TIME.

Give me a break.  Dragon Age 2 was one of the worst AAA titles in the last decade, and that's why there were so many people bashing it.  Bioware's response was to simply start censoring criticism.  If ME3 disappoints people (protip: it will) they'll do the exact same thing.  That's what this announcement is about.

Modifié par mogonk, 03 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[spacehamsterZH]

Uh, why are people acting like the concept of game owner subforums is somehow a new thing? IIRC this existed for a long time for ME2 as well, although I just noticed it doesn't seem to be the case anymore. I totally agree it's a good idea, but it's hardly new.

[Johnny Shepard]

I have seen my share of "Bioware is awesome!" threads shot down. Usaly the mods say "Thank you, but please don't start a thread just to say that."

And sure, DA2 wasn't that good but one of the worst AAA titles in the last decade??? Come on. If you really think that then you can't have played many games.

[AJRimmsey]

mogonk wrote...

...unless that thing is "Bioware is awesome!" or "I love this game, thank you for making it, how can I give you more money?".  You can make duplicate threads like that all day long, not a problem.

you just convinced me to fully support the change.

those threads alone make me upchuck the most



ps..
i dont know about you,but when i see a thread locked for critique it immediately confirms what was critiqued

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 03 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[didymos1120]

Mogonk, how is it that if the mods are sooooo draconian with critics, you're still (un)happily posting away?

[AJRimmsey]

didymos1120 wrote...

Mogonk, how is it that if the mods are sooooo draconian with critics, you're still (un)happily posting away?

more support for the change..

this sort of personal attacking will stop.

[Johnny Shepard]

didymos1120 wrote...

Mogonk, how is it that if the mods are sooooo draconian with critics, you're still (un)happily posting away?

[Thompson family]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

A cure for "I'm not buying this game because ...." threads. Nice.

No, just a special forum section where you've no chance of seeing them. They'll still be all over the place in the other sections.

Less a cure than a vaccination, then.

Hey, I'll take any safe haven I can get.

[mogonk]

didymos1120 wrote...

Mogonk, how is it that if the mods are sooooo draconian with critics, you're still (un)happily posting away?

Sooner or later I'll slip up.  Like, hypothetically, if I had been banned on a previous account (I wasn't) it might have been for saying "David Gaider is a freaking child whose idea of romance is based on Twilight" (I never said that). However true that might be.  Or untrue. I take no position as to the truth of that statement.  In fact I suspect it to be false.  I'm certain that it's false, and I would never say something like that.  Only a terrible person (like David Gaider) would say something like that.

What the hypothetical person who is not me SHOULD have said is "the writing in Dragon Age is slightly less awesome than I would have preferred".  That's the sort of criticism they tolerate.  Or at least don't ban you for.

The extent to which they censor criticism and silence critics will vary directly with the extent to which they are criticized.  If one person comes on the forum and starts raving about how Mac Walters should rot in hell, they won't do much.  If 20 people do it, they will start closing every critical thread they see and banning the people who started them.  If 100 people do it, they will ban everyone who posts in those threads for any reason other than to declare their undying love for Mac Walters. 

That's how they roll.

Modifié par mogonk, 03 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[Kidd]

Two lines trying to convey the same information:

- "I didn't find much of the script salvageable. The themes are inconsistent in spots X and Y, and I sadly did not feel any sympathy in scene Z because of factor A. They should have spent more time refining the writing."
- "We should off [writer]/[producer] for making such a blight of a game." (yes, things like that -were- said for something like two months following the release of da2)

If your post is found to be closer to the second statement, then yes, you're in trouble. And no, that is no criticism, that's so much more than that. Moreover, it barely even touches upon the script itself or what problems you had with it. I've yet to see a single person banned over saying anything remotely similar to the first line. Heck you don't need to choose your words half as delicately as I did just to prove my point.

All you need is some common sense, really. If you're feeling winded up and/or angry when you're posting, you should likely not be giving out criticism just yet. Leave the computer and come back when you've cooled down. You'll see nobody will kick you off the boards and the developers listen to you more as well. Not to mention it's better for your health to remain calm! Win/win/win situation, the way I see it =)

I mean... as funny as the Angry Video Game Nerd is, we all recognise that's not how a professional review should look, right?

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 03 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[PSUHammer]

mogonk wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mogonk, how is it that if the mods are sooooo draconian with critics, you're still (un)happily posting away?

Sooner or later I'll slip up.  Like, hypothetically, if I had been banned on a previous account (I wasn't) it might have been for saying "David Gaider is a freaking child whose idea of romance is based on Twilight" (I never said that). However true that might be.  Or untrue. I take no position as to the truth of that statement.  In fact I suspect it to be false.  I'm certain that it's false, and I would never say something like that.  Only a terrible person (like David Gaider) would say something like that.

What the hypothetical person who is not me SHOULD have said is "the writing in Dragon Age is slightly less awesome than I would have preferred".  That's the sort of criticism they tolerate.  Or at least don't ban you for.

The extent to which they censor criticism and silence critics will vary directly with the extent to which they are criticized.  If one person comes on the forum and starts raving about how Mac Walters should rot in hell, they won't do much.  If 20 people do it, they will start closing every critical thread they see and banning the people who started them.  If 100 people do it, they will ban everyone who posts in those threads for any reason other than to declare their undying love for Mac Walters. 

That's how they roll.

What's wrong with you?  You know this is a company trying to sell a product.  This forum isn't a bastion for free speech.  Why is that hard to grasp?  If you want unbiased discourse, go to a third party forum and talk about things there.  This is simply a marketing arm for the company.

And, you are being melodramatic.  I have seen other game companies moderate their forums MUCH more autocratically than Bioware.  Creative Assembly, anyone?

I think the lame "From Ashes" moanfest being allowed to reach almost 500 pages kind of blows your point out of the water.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 03 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[medusa_hair]

Glad to see the change. It can get tiresome to try to read through the trolling on the forum(s) to get to the civil discussions. A dissenting opinion can be expressed without being insulting. Looking forward to it - but I won't be visiting the forums for a while because I will be busy being Shepard! :-)