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[fchopin]

Before we can judge if something is good or bad we need information that Bioware is not giving us.
That is the problem with Bioware, they do not explain what magic is or how magic or blood magic is acquired so we have no idea if a person who uses blood magic can be a good person or a person that is possessed.

We need clear information so we can examine the workings of magic before we can make a real decision.

If i don’t have clear information in a game then i just stop my mind from thinking on the subject so i can play and enjoy the game.

[Windninja47]

It's like guns. Sure, some people are going to be responsible, but the fact that the weapon is so dangerous means that even if there's a chance one person is irresponsible with it, then it isn't worth taking the risk of allowing it.

That's right- I support the Templars.

Modifié par Windninja47, 15 mai 2012 - 10:02 .

[GodWood]

It's not inherently bad but it is incredibly dangerous (moreso then regular magic) and thus must be outlawed/made not useable by the common mage.

Modifié par GodWood, 15 mai 2012 - 10:16 .

[Aldandil]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Blood magic is like anything else - a tool. Is Elemental magic bad? You can kill a child with a bolt of electricity. That doesn't mean it's 'bad.'

Any type of magic is only a tool, the person wielding it and why is the only thing that can be good or bad.

This is my thought exactly.

I basically agree with this as well. Blood magic isn't inherently evil. It is, however, in many ways a more insidious form of magic than let's say elemental magic, due to the mind control possibility. It could be compared to wire tapping. It's not evil by nature, but it could lead to people crossing the line, thus it should be used restricitively. The risk is much smaller if you don't use it at all. That's why a ban might be a good idea.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Blood magic increase the risk of turning into twisted monsters, Example: Common bloodmages and Orsino in Kirkwall.

[Dakota Strider]

A gun is a "tool". But owning a gun does not make you inclined to become a homocidal maniac. Blood magic seems to include a "silent whisper" that urges you to do more and more. Unless, of course, if you are the protagonist, then apparently there are no repercussions for using blood magic.

[Cantina]

To me Blood Magic is evil….EVIL!

I have not run into a Blood Mage that was not trying to kill me or other people. Every time I fought a blood mage there sucking the blood out of me to fuel their power or to gain their health back. Let us not forget the fact they summon demons and attack my ass. To use Blood Magic you deal with demons.

Blood magic is not a tool like anything else. With elemental magic, you are not calling forth a demon or using your blood or another person’s blood to use it. You are offering up your soul to gain power. Oh and let us not forget how Blood Mages can control your mind, yeah when that prostitute was using Blood Magic on me, I was like, “Oh baby, give me more.” Oh no wait, I stabbed the ****.

As a player who uses Blood Magic, you are not getting all the side effects of it. If you have to use the life of another to fuel your own power, it is wrong, so very wrong. Denarius killed a little boy at a party to fuel his power to entertain his guests. Yeah, that is just awesome!

I just do not see how blood magic is considered a tool just like regular magic. There is a difference between using your magic to heal someone and then using a different type of magic to increase your power.

And no I don’t believe the Chantry, there hypocrites.

Don’t get me started on Merrill…she is an idiot.

Modifié par Cantina, 15 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[Indoctrination]

Blood magic is pretty much objectively bad. People who think it's some kind of "grey" area and it depends on how you use it probably haven't been paying attention. Every time blood magic is used in the plot, something disastrous and/or tragic happens.

I actually like it this way. Blood magic provides terrible power, therefore it should have a terrible cost every time. If the writers turned it into a grey zone thing, then it would become a toy and I don't think it would be nearly as interesting as it is now.

[AkiKishi]

Indoctrination wrote...

Blood magic is pretty much objectively bad. People who think it's some kind of "grey" area and it depends on how you use it probably haven't been paying attention. Every time blood magic is used in the plot, something disastrous and/or tragic happens.

I actually like it this way. Blood magic provides terrible power, therefore it should have a terrible cost every time. If the writers turned it into a grey zone thing, then it would become a toy and I don't think it would be nearly as interesting as it is now.

That's because the people using it are weak. Bloodmagic is like a hammer that whispers to you and tells you to bash peoples heads in. You might be pre-disposed to doing that, but it does not mean you will. You could just stick to hitting naills.

Wardens are probably good at control because compared to having an arch demon whispering in your ear, it's not such a big deal. You could even mentally step back and let them chat to each other.

The problem with blood magic as it is, the PC is always a special case that can throw it around without any ill effect. For a Warden that made some sense (See above) in the case of Hawke, not so much.

[Indoctrination]

BobSmith101 wrote...

That's because the people using it are weak. Bloodmagic is like a hammer that whispers to you and tells you to bash peoples heads in. You might be pre-disposed to doing that, but it does not mean you will. You could just stick to hitting naills. Wardens are probably good at control because compared to having an arch demon whispering in your ear, it's not such a big deal. You could even mentally step back and let them chat to each other. The problem with blood magic as it is, the PC is always a special case that can throw it around without any ill effect. For a Warden that made some sense (See above) in the case of Hawke, not so much.

Everyone must be weak then, because literally everyone who uses it in the plot of either game causes some kind of great diaster. The Wardens have shown us that they're just as bad with it as anyone else. Remember Warden's Keep? As soon as the blood magic came out, everything turned into a living nightmare.

[Tirigon]

Blood magic is powerful. Power is good if in the hands of a good person, and evil in the hands of an evil one.

[Tirigon]

Indoctrination wrote...

Everyone must be weak then, because literally everyone who uses it in the plot of either game causes some kind of great diaster. The Wardens have shown us that they're just as bad with it as anyone else. Remember Warden's Keep? As soon as the blood magic came out, everything turned into a living nightmare.

I dont think so. Avernus did what he did because he has very weird morals and thought it was justified, not because a demon forced him to.

[Cantina]

Tirigon wrote...

Blood magic is powerful. Power is good if in the hands of a good person, and evil in the hands of an evil one.

Riiiiight. And once that good person uses Blood Magic they are no longer a good person.

You can be a good mage and powerful by not using Blood Magic. But hey if people want to use Blood Magic and consort with demons, go for it. I have no problems sending another Blood Mage in the ground....the worms are getting lonely.

[Welsh Inferno]

Blood magic isn't inherently evil/bad. The problem for me is that people only learn how to use blood magic for either selfish reasons (MOAAAR POWAH) or when they are pushed into a corner(Like every mage in DA2..)

It should be outlawed for common mages throughout Thedas but studied within the Circles IMO. The Circle's should also be more like schools instead of prisons... but thats another whole different topic....

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 15 mai 2012 - 08:30 .

[LolaLei]

I wouldn't say it was ultimately good or bad, I think it depends on the mage wielding that power, the reasons behind it and the mental strength said mage posesses to fight off any possible demon interaction.

[Indoctrination]

Tirigon wrote...

I dont think so. Avernus did what he did because he has very weird morals and thought it was justified, not because a demon forced him to.

I never said anyone forced him to do anything. I said he used blood magic and everything went wrong from there. You know, because anyone who uses blood magic in the plot ends up causing some terrible disaster or tragedy every single time.

Modifié par Indoctrination, 15 mai 2012 - 09:06 .

[Tirigon]

Cantina wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Blood magic is powerful. Power is good if in the hands of a good person, and evil in the hands of an evil one.

Riiiiight. And once that good person uses Blood Magic they are no longer a good person.
 

That... is so mind-blowing stupid I dont even know what to say.

[Tirigon]

Indoctrination wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

I dont think so. Avernus did what he did because he has very weird morals and thought it was justified, not because a demon forced him to.

I never said anyone forced him to do anything. I said he used blood magic and everything went wrong from there. You know, because anyone who uses blood magic in the plot ends up causing some terrible disaster or tragedy every single time.

But then, so does everyone else.

Thing is, "and everything went fine and people lived in peace until they died in their sleep at the age of 90" is surely a nice thing in Real life but doesnt make for good stories, and even less for good video games.

[Sylvanpyxie]

It's neither. Could it possibly be used for good *or* evil? Yes.

Blood Magic is not a living thing, however. It has no mind, it has no soul. It is not conscious. It's incapable of being anything but what it is.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 15 mai 2012 - 11:06 .

[Cantina]

Tirigon wrote...

Cantina wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Blood magic is powerful. Power is good if in the hands of a good person, and evil in the hands of an evil one.

Riiiiight. And once that good person uses Blood Magic they are no longer a good person.
 

That... is so mind-blowing stupid I dont even know what to say.

When people post comments like these I tend to wonder if the Dalish are truly real.

Its the truth. A good person would not consort with demons or use blood magic to increase their power. They may have good intentions, but ultimately its selfish and those around them end up paying the price.

Modifié par Cantina, 16 mai 2012 - 12:38 .

[MichaelStuart]

using mind control on a innocent person, is evil
killing a innocent person to power your spells, is evil

using your own blood or a volunteers, is not evil
causing your enemy to attack other enemies, is not evil

people who knowingly deal with demons, are idiots

[KotorEffect3]

It ends up biting you in the long run even if it helps you reach your short term goals.

[wsandista]

So I guess greatswords are evil because you can cleave someones head in two with one? Blood magic is just a tool.

[Dakota Strider]

wsandista wrote...

So I guess greatswords are evil because you can cleave someones head in two with one? Blood magic is just a tool.

Blood magic does remind me of some swords I have read about.  The kind that have been imbued with intelligence (usually with the soul of a demon, or a very evil being).  They start out by just being helpful, but they insidiously and slowly work to take possession of the wielder, until soon it is the sword that is in control, and the wielder is the tool.