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[NovemEnuma]

 Basically...the Reapers--more or less, AI's themselves--were created by a species to stop technological singularity--more or less, AI research going too far--from happening. The definition of technological singularity.

It's like... "Hey guyz! Let's create AI's that destroy organic civilization so that organic civilization won't be destroyed by AI's! kkthxbai!!!1!11!"

A very paradoxical origin if you ask me, which you didn't. 

Modifié par NovemEnuma, 02 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[Taleroth]

The Reapers aren't AI,. They're a hybrid, but I'm nitpicking you.

It's still silly. Their idea of technological singularity is absurd. And that being a solution seems insane.

Modifié par Taleroth, 02 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[NovemEnuma]

I love BioWare, but, I'm becoming somewhat disappointed in their products as of late; I do plan to buy the Mass Effect 3 C.E. though. We'll see where my relationship with BioWare will carry after that.

[spychi]

The Reapers are both Organic and non-organic structures, each a nation, each independent and that second part is actually a plothole since we know that there is the Guardian that gives purpose and controls them.
They harvest organic sapient life so that it can prevail in a Reaper form

Modifié par spychi, 02 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[NovemEnuma]

spychi wrote...

The Reapers are both Organic and non-organic structures, each a nation, each independent and that second part is actually a plothole since we know that there is the Guardian that gives purpose and controls them.
They harvest organic sapient life so that it can prevail in a Reaper form

If by "prevail" you mean lose ALL freewill, emotion etc. A--in my opinion--more than 50% synthetic species destroys organics so organics won't destroy themselves doing synthetic research.

[DXLelouch15]

geth only destroyed the quarians cause they were ****s and didnt let them think independently (besides Tali and Kal Reeger)

Modifié par DXLelouch15, 02 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[Geowil]

Nove, I think you over simplified it. It probably makes more sense if there is a much more thorough explanation. Such as in order to prevent organic life from achieving singularity and there by depleting the galaxy of resources they built the reapers to destroy civilizations to prevent them from happening so that life can continue to exist. Still slightly convoluted though more plausible.

Modifié par Geowil, 02 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[CerberusSoldier]

The reapers are cyborgs. a poor man's wanna be Borg from Star Trek rip off

[The Elder King]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The reapers are cyborgs. a poor man's wanna be Borg from Star Trek rip off

We know from ME2 that the Reapers are a mixture of organics and synthetics. The problem is the reason for their creation.
Though it's still better than the space magic transformation in the Merge ending.

[Aesieru]

Actually it makes perfect sense. To prevent the expansion and over-advancement of technology, the use of radically different technologies, and the use of all resources in the galaxy, each race is destroyed at their prime, then some new ones come and things happen.

By providing the relays they make certain people don't develop means to leave the boundaries of their current space or explore dark space and that they also don't go to other galaxies outside the Reapers reach. They also make certain that they progress along a certain path they can always counter.

[Treopod]

Dark energy plot would have been better imo, would have been a threat on the scale of the whole universe that you would have to wager against the threat of the reapers against a single galaxy.

[WizenSlinky0]

The solution is supposed to be insane. It's a stop gap measure. They do not destroy all organics. Only organics that have reached a level of technology that makes the singularity a possibility.

By doing this it ensures organics as a whole will continue to survive.

This is obviously no where near the optimal solution. The guardians existence at all suggests that at some point they expected a species to get as far as Shepard does in order to again make the decision on how to handle the cycle.

Now without interacting with the guardian myself when I get the game I can't be sure, but it's possible that the guardian is not the first. It is possible another race reached the same point and made a decision to keep the cycle going because they could not conceive of another possibility.

It's actually possible several races have been given the choice and all chose to continue the cycle.

[seirhart]

Aesieru wrote...

Actually it makes perfect sense. To prevent the expansion and over-advancement of technology, the use of radically different technologies, and the use of all resources in the galaxy, each race is destroyed at their prime, then some new ones come and things happen.

By providing the relays they make certain people don't develop means to leave the boundaries of their current space or explore dark space and that they also don't go to other galaxies outside the Reapers reach. They also make certain that they progress along a certain path they can always counter.

After thinking about what you said, I agree with you 100 percent. A super Advanced race I guess you could say made the first proto-reapers if you will were made to make sure the galaxy isn't stripped of all of the materials and is given a chance to re acquire the materials during the absence of space faring races.

[Aesieru]

seirhart wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Actually it makes perfect sense. To prevent the expansion and over-advancement of technology, the use of radically different technologies, and the use of all resources in the galaxy, each race is destroyed at their prime, then some new ones come and things happen.

By providing the relays they make certain people don't develop means to leave the boundaries of their current space or explore dark space and that they also don't go to other galaxies outside the Reapers reach. They also make certain that they progress along a certain path they can always counter.

After thinking about what you said, I agree with you 100 percent. A super Advanced race I guess you could say made the first proto-reapers if you will were made to make sure the galaxy isn't stripped of all of the materials and is given a chance to re acquire the materials during the absence of space faring races.

Indeed, as well as to prevent radical artifical intelligences from forming and devouring things, which the Geth started to do in their space if you look at the descriptions of some of their planets, they are pretty much mined outside of the back-up resources they kept for repairs.

[Flagta]

Well, the reapers thought that AI would one day destroy EVERY organic live, that means every living bacteria in the galaxy. Though the reapers consume spacefaring civilizations, they kinda preserve them. Each reaper (or at least each Capital one) is a monument to the species, their genetic material and minds are still intact, though they have to go over millions of death for that. And let’s not forget that they’ll become corrupted husks who only do what the Crucible tells them to.

[Aesieru]

Flagta wrote...

Well, the reapers thought that AI would one day destroy EVERY organic live, that means every living bacteria in the galaxy. Though the reapers consume spacefaring civilizations, they kinda preserve them. Each reaper (or at least each Capital one) is a monument to the species, their genetic material and minds are still intact, though they have to go over millions of death for that. And let’s not forget that they’ll become corrupted husks who only do what the Crucible tells them to.

Except of course, the fact that Harbinger and Sovereign also controlled them.

AI's would probably devour the galaxy and leave it bare because they really have no need to do anything other than expand.

[DarthSliver]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The solution is supposed to be insane. It's a stop gap measure. They do not destroy all organics. Only organics that have reached a level of technology that makes the singularity a possibility.

By doing this it ensures organics as a whole will continue to survive.

This is obviously no where near the optimal solution. The guardians existence at all suggests that at some point they expected a species to get as far as Shepard does in order to again make the decision on how to handle the cycle.

Now without interacting with the guardian myself when I get the game I can't be sure, but it's possible that the guardian is not the first. It is possible another race reached the same point and made a decision to keep the cycle going because they could not conceive of another possibility.

It's actually possible several races have been given the choice and all chose to continue the cycle.

This is becoming even more interesting, leave to the humans to screw the cycle up lol

[Zyrious]

This actually makes no sense at all. In fact most civilizations are only advancing at all technologically because of the Mass Relay's. And couldn't they just wipe out all AI rather than slaughtering trillions of sentients? It also contradicts everything the reapers have said, and imo it ruins them.

The reapers were suppose to be independant, "We are each a nation". More explanaion of motives is nice but i didnt really need an origin story, it was almost implied that the original reaper was likely created by a species seeking immortality. That they saw other organics as weak, mortal tools to be used to sustain themselves, and when they saw a species as worthy of immortality as them, they harvested them.

I think the whole "Gaurdian" thing ruins it, and was unnecessary. Instead of finding the gaurdian, shepard could have just found a VI of one of the Prothean scientists who was stranded on the citadel after modifying the keepers, and he could have relayed how they continued studying the Citadel and the fact it controls the entire relay network, and that they discovered how to use the citadel against the reapers one they are in the galaxy.

But eh, too late to change that now. As it stands, the reapers are just a tool where they essentially shoot a guy holding a gun to his own head to prevent him from shooting himself. Why not just shoot the gun? Or his hand? Why did you give him the means to get a gun in the first place(Mass Relays)?

[Flagta]

Aesieru wrote...


Except of course, the fact that Harbinger and Sovereign also controlled them.


AI's would probably devour the galaxy and leave it bare because they really
have no need to do anything other than expand.

Harby and Sovy also control them? I thought it was stated in the script that
each capital reaper (like them) is intelligent and has a mind of its own, so
that they'd be like Saren or TIM who are still capable of making decisions,
though everything they do is what the Crucible wants them to do.

 

Modifié par Flagta, 02 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[DarthCaine]

This idiotic origin also suggests that the first race, the most intelligent race that ever lived, willingly massacred themselves

[Tazzmission]

the reapers sound like levithans aka living ships but need someone to pilot them wich is awesome

[Aesieru]

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Aesieru wrote...

Flagta wrote...



Well, the reapers thought that AI would one day destroy EVERY organic live,
that means every living bacteria in the galaxy. Though the reapers consume
spacefaring civilizations, they kinda preserve them. Each reaper (or at least
each Capital one) is a monument to the species, their genetic material and
minds are still intact, though they have to go over millions of death for that.
And let’s not forget that they’ll become corrupted husks who only do what the Crucible
tells them to.

Except of course, the fact that Harbinger and Sovereign also controlled them.



AI's would probably devour the galaxy and leave it bare because they really
have no need to do anything other than expand.

Harby and Sovy also control them? I thought it was stated in the script that
each capital reaper (like them) is intelligent and has a mind of its own, so
that they'd be like Saren or TIM who are still capable of making decisions,
though everything they do is what the Crucible wants them to do.

 

More like they are designed with that motive (possibly not even understanding it themselves, hence why Sovereign never really explains himself, nor Harbinger) but decide how to do it themselves. Sovereign controlled the Husks as did Harbinger.

[Flagta]

DarthCaine
wrote...



This idiotic origin also suggests that the first race, the most intelligent
race that ever lived, willingly massacred themselves

Would that be Harbinger or the Crucible then? Since the codex stated that Harby
was the first reaper and the Crucible is in control of the entire armada, this
is kinda unclear.

Modifié par Flagta, 02 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[Aesieru]

Tazzmission wrote...

the reapers sound like levithans aka living ships but need someone to pilot them wich is awesome

Uh... there are no similarities to the FarScape Leviathans as far as I can tell. Think about it.

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THe most advanced race saw the potential for destruction and made an action to stop it, self-sacrificing or fearful, whatever the reason WHY, they did something intelligent, though deadly.

[Flagta]

Aesieru wrote...


More like they are designed with that motive (possibly not even understanding it themselves, hence why Sovereign never really explains himself, nor Harbinger) but decide how to do it themselves. Sovereign controlled the Husks as did Harbinger.

Yeah, I meant that the Crucible decides what the Reapers main goal is, but that he also gives them freedom to make decisions themselves, so they can be more effective.