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[batlin]

Elhanan wrote...

Because the expedition is the How & Where the idol was found, and the Qunari explains How and Why Hawke became Champion w/ large statue at the Docks. The Who is in the intro, the What is placing the idol with Merdeith, and When are the events over that past decade that led to the War.

Easy Peasy!

Uh huh. So what's the significance of Hawke becoming champion? Why does his statue matter? The seeker clearly already knows who Hawke is. Flemeth? Isabela stealing the Qunari book? Hawke's romance? All of the companions' quests?

And why is she questioning Varric about Hawke? Isn't the relevant person here Anders? You know, the one who actually instigated the war? Like I've already said, Hawke was really just a bystander who ultimately changed nothing by siding with either group and was only important in funding the excursion into the deeproads. I can understand if the seeker thought that Hawke was the one who did it because he's a famous person who was in the middle of the conflict, but if she were questioning Varric about it, wouldn't the first thing Varric says be "Actually seeker, the man you're looking for isn't Hawke, but a mage named Anders."?

Do you not see that every defense you offer only creates more holes?

Modifié par batlin, 19 mars 2012 - 02:20 .

[Elhanan]

batlin wrote...

Uh huh. So what's the significance of Hawke becoming champion? Why does his statue matter? The seeker clearly already knows who Hawke is. Flemeth? Isabela stealing the Qunari book? Hawke's romance? All of the companions' quests?

And why is she questioning Varric about Hawke? Isn't the relevant person here Anders? You know, the one who actually instigated the war? Like I've already said, Hawke was really just a bystander who ultimately changed nothing by siding with either group and was only important in funding the excursion into the deeproads. I can understand if the seeker thought that Hawke was the one who did it because he's a famous person who was in the middle of the conflict, but if she were questioning Varric about it, wouldn't the first thing Varric says be "Actually seeker, the man you're looking for isn't Hawke, but a mage named Anders."?

Do you not see that every defense you offer only creates more holes?

The Champion was supposedly the catalyst for the war; hence Varric being questioned. And the Seeker may have had questions as to why he was honrored with statuary. Flemeth was already heard in rumors; Varric simply clarified her involvement. Isabela was behind the reason the Qunari were visiting, and Varric seemingly likes romances and details.

Hawke is missing; not dead, and was reportedly supporting Anders. Anders was already known to have been the one that ignited the conflict (hence all the apologies from varric), but Hawke was also known to have had Anders in his employ, so to speak.

Or did you not actually play the game?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Elhanan wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Like the civilians of Kirkwall, those guards are often standing around as scene dressing within plain view of Hawke being attacked by various fanatics, thugs, lowlives, and slavers all over the streets of Kirkwall, night and day.

Seeing as the guards have actually asked for help, the captain has his full support, the Viscount's office is for hiring mercs, etc; no trouble trouncing offenders that prowl the streets around the city. And the guards are protecting the civilians from the carnage....

Uh huh... 

[batlin]

Elhanan wrote...

The Champion was supposedly the catalyst for the war; hence Varric being questioned. And the Seeker may have had questions as to why he was honrored with statuary. Flemeth was already heard in rumors; Varric simply clarified her involvement. Isabela was behind the reason the Qunari were visiting, and Varric seemingly likes romances and details.

Hawke is missing; not dead, and was reportedly supporting Anders. Anders was already known to have been the one that ignited the conflict (hence all the apologies from varric), but Hawke was also known to have had Anders in his employ, so to speak.

Or did you not actually play the game?

Did you? At the very beginning of the game, the seeker clearly already knows who Hawke is, which is why she's looking for him in the first place. She thinks Hawke is the one person who can end the war. What exactly makes Hawke special? Why is Hawke the only one who can end the war? No answer is given, but what's clear is that Hawke was not the catalyst to the war. Anders is. Hawke is really nothing more than a good fighter. Do they need him because he supported Anders? Maybe, but then there were a LOT of people in the group. If there is a mystery of why Hawke is so important that the Chantry needs him, we never find that out. Does a half-assed mystery excuse splitting the game up into three mini-plots and thus making the climax of the game almost bereft of any build-up? I say not.

[HiroVoid]

Cassandra was a lousy investigator.

[batlin]

HiroVoid wrote...

Cassandra was a lousy investigator.

Clearly.

[Elhanan]

batlin wrote...

Did you? At the very beginning of the game, the seeker clearly already knows who Hawke is, which is why she's looking for him in the first place. She thinks Hawke is the one person who can end the war. What exactly makes Hawke special? Why is Hawke the only one who can end the war? No answer is given, but what's clear is that Hawke was not the catalyst to the war. Anders is. Hawke is really nothing more than a good fighter. Do they need him because he supported Anders? Maybe, but then there were a LOT of people in the group. If there is a mystery of why Hawke is so important that the Chantry needs him, we never find that out. Does a half-assed mystery excuse splitting the game up into three mini-plots and thus making the climax of the game almost bereft of any build-up? I say not.

She knows Hawke is a leader from Kirkwall, and as the rumored intesgator of the war, might be of use in bringing it to a halt. But she does not know much of Hawke, and seeks to know more; hence her small surprises exclaimed during the narrative.

But you say tomato; I say pizza. I enjoyed the game, story and characters, and you see poor exposition. Art is like that; full of differing opinions.

I hope to see more like this continue in DA3.

[batlin]

Elhanan wrote...

She knows Hawke is a leader from Kirkwall, and as the rumored intesgator of the war, might be of use in bringing it to a halt. But she does not know much of Hawke, and seeks to know more; hence her small surprises exclaimed during the narrative.

But you say tomato; I say pizza. I enjoyed the game, story and characters, and you see poor exposition. Art is like that; full of differing opinions.

I hope to see more like this continue in DA3.

As far as she knows, hawke is just a really famous nobleman who was rumored to have started the war. If that's the only reason she wanted to know about Hawke, Varric should have said that the person she wanted was Anders. And even after Varric explains how the war started, the seeker continues her search for Hawke, knowing he had almost nothing to do with starting the war. Anders was a leader of the mage underground in Kirkwall. Anders is the one who started the war. Anders is the one who has proven to be able to rally the mages and therefore would have the most pull in the circle. So I ask you again, after the seeker learns everything Varric tells her, what exactly makes Hawke so special?

And I do not deny you enjoyed DA2's story. Statistically, someone has to. And for the sake of the Dragon Age franchise, I hope it does not continue in this way.

Modifié par batlin, 20 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Elhanan]

batlin wrote...
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As far as she knows, hawke is just a really famous nobleman who was rumored to have started the war. If that's the only reason she wanted to know about Hawke, Varric should have said that the person she wanted was Anders. And even after Varric explains how the war started, the seeker continues her search for Hawke, knowing he had almost nothing to do with starting the war. Anders was a leader of the mage underground in Kirkwall. Anders is the one who started the war. Anders is the one who has proven to be able to rally the mages and therefore would have the most pull in the circle. So I ask you again, after the seeker learns everything Varric tells her, what exactly makes Hawke so special?

And I do not deny you enjoyed DA2's story. Statistically, someone has to. And for the sake of the Dragon Age franchise, I hope it does not continue in this way.

Hawke defeats the Arishock, defeats both End Bosses, and may have become Viscount of Kirkwall. He also defeated demons, Blood Mages, gangs, dragons, and some unseemly Templars, And he has met Flemeth, and lived.

Abd that is the end of this. You wish to dislike the game; your right to be wrong if you wish.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Hawke as a character suffers from being someone that the writers wanted to portray as some tragic hero swept up in the melodrama of the DA 2 plot and character story arcs, while at the same time, someone that they wanted to utilize as a vehicle to stroke the player's ego on every possible level.

The result is neither and what we're left with is someone who's presented as a person with supreme talent and immense strength who is literally incapable of failure if (s)he puts his/her mind to something, yet is unable to do so on a constant basis for little other discernable reason than "the plot demands it".

I make no comparisons or judgement calls on how the Warden was handled and whether (s)he was better or worse in that regard. Though I do think that the fact that the Warden was not a lot more than an avatar coloured by your Origin and your decisions makes it harder to criticize using the same points because the character's growth, development and "essence" is handed to the Warden by the player, and not (completely) dictated by the writers.

In any case, keep any comments to this post about Dragon Age 2, please.

Also, pre-emptive IT'S JUST MY OPINION NOT A "FACT" FACT statement.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 20 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[batlin]

Elhanan wrote...

Hawke defeats the Arishock, defeats both End Bosses, and may have become Viscount of Kirkwall. He also defeated demons, Blood Mages, gangs, dragons, and some unseemly Templars, And he has met Flemeth, and lived.

Abd that is the end of this. You wish to dislike the game; your right to be wrong if you wish.

Take your ball and go home then. You still have given no reason why Hawke is the only one who can end the war. There's nothing he himself defeated that an army of Templars couldn't have, which is precisely what the Chantry has at its command. The only conclusion is that Hawke isn't ultimately important, meaning that indeed the deeproads and Qunari plotlines are not that relevant to the war between templars and mages, meaning the plots are, in fact, insular and disjointed.

[Elhanan]

batlin wrote...

Take your ball and go home then. You still have given no reason why Hawke is the only one who can end the war. There's nothing he himself defeated that an army of Templars couldn't have, which is precisely what the Chantry has at its command. The only conclusion is that Hawke isn't ultimately important, meaning that indeed the deeproads and Qunari plotlines are not that relevant to the war between templars and mages, meaning the plots are, in fact, insular and disjointed.

Not going anywhere; simply finished speaking of the storyline and characters in which we are all familiar, and the hypetheticals some like to post.

As mentioned, DA2 is not the superior product in the series, but it is not a poor one either. It has a lot of content that I hope to see in DA3 (eg; Talent & Spell trees, inclusive Skills, full VO), but I would prefer the less restrictive class designs of DAO; perhaps even more so if story permits. IMO.

[batlin]

Elhanan wrote...

Not going anywhere; simply finished speaking of the storyline and characters in which we are all familiar, and the hypetheticals some like to post.

Yes, that's what I mean by taking your ball and going home. You refuse to answer the simple question of what makes Hawke so damn important.

As mentioned, DA2 is not the superior product in the series, but it is not a poor one either. It has a lot of content that I hope to see in DA3 (eg; Talent & Spell trees, inclusive Skills, full VO), but I would prefer the less restrictive class designs of DAO; perhaps even more so if story permits. IMO.

I agree with all besides the full VA.

Modifié par batlin, 20 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[batlin]

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[Adanu]

batlin wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

She knows Hawke is a leader from Kirkwall, and as the rumored intesgator of the war, might be of use in bringing it to a halt. But she does not know much of Hawke, and seeks to know more; hence her small surprises exclaimed during the narrative.

But you say tomato; I say pizza. I enjoyed the game, story and characters, and you see poor exposition. Art is like that; full of differing opinions.

I hope to see more like this continue in DA3.

As far as she knows, hawke is just a really famous nobleman who was rumored to have started the war. If that's the only reason she wanted to know about Hawke, Varric should have said that the person she wanted was Anders. And even after Varric explains how the war started, the seeker continues her search for Hawke, knowing he had almost nothing to do with starting the war. Anders was a leader of the mage underground in Kirkwall. Anders is the one who started the war. Anders is the one who has proven to be able to rally the mages and therefore would have the most pull in the circle. So I ask you again, after the seeker learns everything Varric tells her, what exactly makes Hawke so special?

And I do not deny you enjoyed DA2's story. Statistically, someone has to. And for the sake of the Dragon Age franchise, I hope it does not continue in this way.

If you honestly don't get the power of legends and stories to people (like jesus christ) I honestly can't say theres any hope for you.

It isn't about actual deeds, it's about the perception. Throughout the game you hear about Hawkes 'deeds' growing in tales. Hawke was there at the beginning, and picked a side in the war after all these legends came around him/her.

If you want to willfully be blind to that, that's on you, not bioware.

[batlin]

Adanu wrote...

If you honestly don't get the power of legends and stories to people (like jesus christ) I honestly can't say theres any hope for you.

It isn't about actual deeds, it's about the perception. Throughout the game you hear about Hawkes 'deeds' growing in tales. Hawke was there at the beginning, and picked a side in the war after all these legends came around him/her.

If you want to willfully be blind to that, that's on you, not bioware.

Ok, so the seeker thinks Hawke would be a good figurehead? Seems like an awful lot of effort to go through just to find a guy who *might* be able to stop the war, as if all the mages would just say " Hawke said we should stop? Well ok, back to a life without freedom and liberty."

Hawke isn't like the Warden who was uniquely-abled to stopping the Archdemon. At best Hawke is a William Wallace-type figure who's legend far exceeds his/her actual abilities. In the movie Braveheart, Wallace's legend isn't what motivated his men to fight, it was his leadership. If Hawke is just a figurehead who is no more able to put an end to the war than anyone else, why devote an entire regiment to finding him/her when you can just have someone pretend to be Hawke? Who would know the difference? They make it a point to mention that not much is known about Hawke (which is why they needed to bring in Varric) so there's no reason anyone would know whether the person claiming to be Hawke is telling the truth anyway, even if they did find the real one.

So really, either we accept that this is a plot hole and bad writing, or we accept that everyone in the Chantry is an idiot.

Modifié par batlin, 24 mars 2012 - 12:24 .

[DeadPoolX]

batlin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

If you honestly don't get the power of legends and stories to people (like jesus christ) I honestly can't say theres any hope for you.

It isn't about actual deeds, it's about the perception. Throughout the game you hear about Hawkes 'deeds' growing in tales. Hawke was there at the beginning, and picked a side in the war after all these legends came around him/her.

If you want to willfully be blind to that, that's on you, not bioware.

Ok, so the seeker thinks Hawke would be a good figurehead? Seems like an awful lot of effort to go through just to find a guy who *might* be able to stop the war, as if all the mages would just say " Hawke said we should stop? Well ok, back to a life without freedom and liberty."

Hawke isn't like the Warden who was uniquely-abled to stopping the Archdemon. At best Hawke is a William Wallace-type figure who's legend far exceeds his/her actual abilities. In the movie Braveheart, Wallace's legend isn't what motivated his men to fight, it was his leadership. If Hawke is just a figurehead who is no more able to put an end to the war than anyone else, why devote an entire regiment to finding him/her when you can just have someone pretend to be Hawke? Who would know the difference? They make it a point to mention that not much is known about Hawke (which is why they needed to bring in Varric) so there's no reason anyone would know whether the person claiming to be Hawke is telling the truth anyway, even if they did find the real one.

So really, either we accept that this is a plot hole and bad writing, or we accept that everyone in the Chantry is an idiot.

Maybe the Seeker wants Hawke because he represents the common man.  Think about it: Hawke lost his original home, certain family members (this forum really needs spoiler tags), found love, got rich and potentially attained a seat of power within Kirkwall. 

That's one hell of an inspiring tale, which considering Hawke is a "normal person" (and not your typical hero), makes him likeable and more approachable to the common person.  In short, he's the perfect political pawn.

[batlin]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Maybe the Seeker wants Hawke because he represents the common man.  Think about it: Hawke lost his original home, certain family members (this forum really needs spoiler tags), found love, got rich and potentially attained a seat of power within Kirkwall. 

That's one hell of an inspiring tale, which considering Hawke is a "normal person" (and not your typical hero), makes him likeable and more approachable to the common person.  In short, he's the perfect political pawn.

That's great and all, but you still neglected to answer why they need to find Hawke when they could far more easily just get a stand-in. Again, no one would know the difference even if they did find Hawke. Remember? That's why they needed Varric to tell Hawke's story in the first place; almost nobody knows anything Hawke nor his/her backstory, so Hawke is no more of use as a figurehead than anyone else who just claims that they are Hawke. That fact also puts a damper in your "common man" theory. It's established very early on that Hawke was known for slaying dragons and hoards of darkspawn single-handedly, not that he/she's from humble origins or a "common person". The seeker didn't know where Hawke was from, who his parents were, what exactly he/she did in Kirkwall, etc, and the Seeker is the one who's been obsessing over finding Hawke, so if ANYONE knows more about Hawke than her, it would only be Hawke's group.

Come on, you're trying to fill in gaps with pure nonsense. If there is a reason Hawke is so important to the chantry, or even more important than Anders, we never find out why. If indeed the entire point of the disjointed story was a means to solve the mystery of why Hawke is important, the whole plot falls flat on its face because we. never. find. out. And it's unlikely we ever will seeing as how we won't even play as Hawke in DA3 and there's no more plans for DA2 DLC.

In short, DA2's story sucks.

Modifié par batlin, 25 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[DeadPoolX]

batlin wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Maybe the Seeker wants Hawke because he represents the common man.  Think about it: Hawke lost his original home, certain family members (this forum really needs spoiler tags), found love, got rich and potentially attained a seat of power within Kirkwall. 

That's one hell of an inspiring tale, which considering Hawke is a "normal person" (and not your typical hero), makes him likeable and more approachable to the common person.  In short, he's the perfect political pawn.

That's great and all, but you still neglected to answer why they need to find Hawke when they could far more easily just get a stand-in. Again, no one would know the difference even if they did find Hawke. Remember? That's why they needed Varric to tell Hawke's story in the first place; almost nobody knows anything Hawke nor his/her backstory, so Hawke is no more of use as a figurehead than anyone else who just claims that they are Hawke. That fact also puts a damper in your "common man" theory. It's established very early on that Hawke was known for slaying dragons and hoards of darkspawn single-handedly, not that he/she's from humble origins or a "common person". The seeker didn't know where Hawke was from, who his parents were, what exactly he/she did in Kirkwall, etc, and the Seeker is the one who's been obsessing over finding Hawke, so if ANYONE knows more about Hawke than her, it would only be Hawke's group.

Come on, you're trying to fill in gaps with pure nonsense. If there is a reason Hawke is so important to the chantry, or even more important than Anders, we never find out why. If indeed the entire point of the disjointed story was a means to solve the mystery of why Hawke is important, the whole plot falls flat on its face because we. never. find. out. And it's unlikely we ever will seeing as how we won't even play as Hawke in DA3 and there's no more plans for DA2 DLC.

In short, DA2's story sucks.

Truth be told, Hawke was from humble origins. 

But let's put that aside for a moment.  You say that :"Almost nobody knows anything Hawke nor his/her backstory" and then go on to say "It's established very early on that Hawke was known for slaying dragons and hoards of darkspawn single-handedly." 

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Now let's assume all that's known about Hawke is that he was known for "slaying dragons and hoards of darkspawn single-handedly," who do you think told those stories?  Most likely Varric. 

In fact, it's established at the beginning of the game that Varric exaggerates Hawke's deeds (and apparently Bethany's chest as well).  Varric's story includes rising up from tragedy and poverty, something that would resonate with many in Kirkwall, considering the number of refugees there.

Naturally, word got back to the Seeker that this dwarf was spinning tales about a local Kirkwall hero.  So who else would she go see? 

Oh and by the way... even if you feel I'm spewing nonsense, there are far more polite ways to say it.  I'm sure you consider that unnecessary, but for the future, I recommend you do attempt some tact. 

[batlin]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Truth be told, Hawke was from humble origins.

Yeah, unfortunately practically no one knows that.

But let's put that aside for a moment.  You say that :"Almost nobody knows anything Hawke nor his/her backstory" and then go on to say "It's established very early on that Hawke was known for slaying dragons and hoards of darkspawn single-handedly."

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Oh really? Does that explain why the Seeker didn't know that Hawke was from humble origins? Or that he rose to nobility through an expedition into the deep roads? Or that he killed the Arishok? Or even his/her involvement in the templar and mage's war? Or even why Hawke was a champion in the first place? Yes, it's established that Hawke is known to be this great warrior, but that hardly includes Hawke's backstory or deeds in Kirkwall now, does it?

Now let's assume all that's known about Hawke is that he was known for "slaying dragons and hoards of darkspawn single-handedly," who do you think told those stories?  Most likely Varric.

Wait what? How do you figure that Varric is the one who most likely told those stories? Hawke dealt with a great deal of people in Kirkwall and was famous throughout the city. What makes you think his or her legend didn't propagate from the hundreds/thousands of people there who knew of Hawke's deeds?

In fact, it's established at the beginning of the game that Varric exaggerates Hawke's deeds (and apparently Bethany's chest as well).  Varric's story includes rising up from tragedy and poverty, something that would resonate with many in Kirkwall, considering the number of refugees there.

So if indeed Varric was propagating the story that Hawke is a common man who has the best interests of the normal person at heart, why then would the seeker, who was tasked with finding out everything she can about Hawke and finding him/her, not know any of that before speaking with Varric? And in the intro of the game, Varric's initial telling of the story of Hawke slaying Ogres and darkspawn single-handedly is supposedly the one that DOES match up with the stories about Hawke. So even if Varric was the source of all the stories, then he never popularized the "humble origins" part.

Naturally, word got back to the Seeker that this dwarf was spinning tales about a local Kirkwall hero.  So who else would she go see?

The seeker didn't take in Varric because he was telling stories, she did it because she knows he knew Hawke before he/she became the champion. She says so in the intro.

Oh and by the way... even if you feel I'm spewing nonsense, there are far more polite ways to say it.  I'm sure you consider that unnecessary, but for the future, I recommend you do attempt some tact. 

What would you rather I say you're doing, that you're filling in gaps with assumptions that aren't backed by anything we're told in the game?

Modifié par batlin, 25 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[DeadPoolX]

Stories about Hawke's deeds could've risen from anyone, but Varric was not only with him, but he's a natural storyteller. If nothing else, he could tell a more coherent and entertaining story than the locals.

I think there's more to the Seeker's questioning of Varric than simply "he knows him." Lots of people knew Hawke before he became the Champion. What about Avaline, for instance? Seems to me she'd be a good person to interrogate, considering her position and knowledge of Hawke. In fact, she knew Hawke before Varric even did.

Of course I'm filling the gaps with assumptions. That's what people do when there's a lack of information. Sure, it'd be nice if we had the details from BioWare, but we don't, so we have to make due with what we have.

Modifié par DeadPoolMK, 25 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Adanu]

batlin, play the game again, and this time pay attention to what Varric does and what the people in the Hanged Man say.

Hawke became a larger than life legend to the common people and fought in the first major battle of the Mage Templar war. Cassandra only heard these stories and she heard the truth from Varric. That does not diminish the effect the legend has on the common people on Thedas.

It would be like saying Maric would have no influence at all if he came back, even though he led the rebellion in Fereldan.

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Seems to me she'd be a good person to
interrogate, considering her position and knowledge of Hawke. In fact,
she knew Hawke before Varric even did.

This is assuming Cassandra can find Aveline.

Modifié par Adanu, 25 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[batlin]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Stories about Hawke's deeds could've risen from anyone, but Varric was not only with him, but he's a natural storyteller. If nothing else, he could tell a more coherent and entertaining story than the locals.

More baseless assumptions. There's absolutely no evidence that Varric is the one who was telling Hawke's story, that he even WAS propagating Hawke's story, or that he's somehow the only good storyteller who met Hawke. And AGAIN, no one, including Varric, propagated the fact that Hawke is from humble origins as evidenced by the Seeker's reaction to learning about it.

I think there's more to the Seeker's questioning of Varric than simply "he knows him." Lots of people knew Hawke before he became the Champion. What about Avaline, for instance? Seems to me she'd be a good person to interrogate, considering her position and knowledge of Hawke. In fact, she knew Hawke before Varric even did.

I wish I knew why as well, because they never tell us. It's no less likely that Varric was simply the first of Hawke's group they could find.

Of course I'm filling the gaps with assumptions. That's what people do when there's a lack of information. Sure, it'd be nice if we had the details from BioWare, but we don't, so we have to make due with what we have.

That's precisely my point. If you cared to go back and learn why the subject of Hawke's importance came up in the first place, Elhanan defended the disjointed story by saying that having insular acts wasn't for the sake of the plot, but to explain why finding Hawke is so vital to the Chantry. The problem with that little theory is that we don't find out why Hawke is vital to the Chantry. You can assume whatever you want, but none of that brings us any closer to understanding why Hawke is important. unless you can give a reason that's substantiated by evidence in the game, you have no choice but to concede that the plot of DA2 is disjointed and it's acts insular.

Adanu wrote...

batlin, play the game again, and this time pay attention to what Varric does and what the people in the Hanged Man say.

Hawke became a larger than life legend to the common people and fought in the first major battle of the Mage Templar war. Cassandra only heard these stories and she heard the truth from Varric. That does not diminish the effect the legend has on the common people on Thedas.

It would be like saying Maric would have no influence at all if he came back, even though he led the rebellion in Fereldan.

And you guys still aren't answering why having the actual Hawke would make a difference as opposed to just having a stand-in if indeed all they need is Hawke's legend on their side...

Also, Maric's exploits and likeness span far beyond that of one single city and his deeds are well known throughout Thedas and recorded in history,, as evidenced by all the codex entries you get about him. The Seeker on the other hand didn't even know why Hawke had a statue.

Modifié par batlin, 25 mars 2012 - 05:36 .