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[Adanu]

batlin wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Stories about Hawke's deeds could've risen from anyone, but Varric was not only with him, but he's a natural storyteller. If nothing else, he could tell a more coherent and entertaining story than the locals.

More baseless assumptions. There's absolutely no indication that varric is the one who was tellign Hawke's story or that he's somehow the only good storyteller who met Hawke. And AGAIN, no one propagated the fact that Hawke is from humble origins as evidenced by the Seeker's reaction to learning about it.

I think there's more to the Seeker's questioning of Varric than simply "he knows him." Lots of people knew Hawke before he became the Champion. What about Avaline, for instance? Seems to me she'd be a good person to interrogate, considering her position and knowledge of Hawke. In fact, she knew Hawke before Varric even did.

I wish I knew why as well, because they never tell us. It's no less likely that Varric was simply the first of Hawke's group they could find.

Of course I'm filling the gaps with assumptions. That's what people do when there's a lack of information. Sure, it'd be nice if we had the details from BioWare, but we don't, so we have to make due with what we have.

That's precisely my point. If you cared to go back and learn why the subject of Hawke's importance came up in the first place, Elhanan defended the disjointed story by saying that having insular acts wasn't for the sake of the plot, but to explain why finding Hawke is so vital to the Chantry. The problem with that little theory is that we don't find out why Hawke is vital to the Chantry. You can assume whatever you want, but none of that brings us any closer to understanding why Hawke is important. unless you can give a reason that's substantiated by evidence in the game, you have no choice but to concede that the plot of DA2 is disjointed and it's acts insular.

Adanu wrote...

batlin, play the game again, and this time pay attention to what Varric does and what the people in the Hanged Man say.

Hawke became a larger than life legend to the common people and fought in the first major battle of the Mage Templar war. Cassandra only heard these stories and she heard the truth from Varric. That does not diminish the effect the legend has on the common people on Thedas.

It would be like saying Maric would have no influence at all if he came back, even though he led the rebellion in Fereldan.

And you guys still aren't answering why having the actual Hawke would make a difference as opposed to just having a stand-in if indeed all they need is Hawke's legend on their side...

Also, Maric's exploits and likeness span far beyond that of one single city and his deeds are well known throughout Thedas. The Seeker on the other hand didn't even know why Hawke had a statue.

Because people would realize he's an imposter? Seriously now, you're just fishing.

[Mr Fixit]

Adanu, you're missing batlin's point.

[Unknown_Warrior]

I'm not going to quote as it seems all your posts boil down to "Hawke wasn't special, why care?, so here are my 2 cents:

A) The Seekers initially thought that Hawke was in a nefarious plot to sabotage the chantry and assumed his dastardly plot could be reversed.
Even without superpowers, Hawke is still massively interesting to have as an asset due to what (s)he represents. Heroes have a lot of sway, especially if they're the paragon of virtues for one side of the conflict.

The fact is, Hawke and the Warden are both incredible morale boosters. Their say and presence could influence entire conflicts. Even in real life scenarios is it important to go for figureheads, why else do you think the USA was so hellbent on catching Osama Bin Laden? Morale.
I also disagree with your assessment that somehow the Warden was gifted whereas Hawke wasn't. They were both very familiar in background. Both are characters coming from humble backgrounds achieving something incredible.

[batlin]

Adanu wrote...

Because people would realize he's an imposter? Seriously now, you're just fishing.

Oh really? How would they know an imposter from the real deal?

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

I'm not going to quote as it seems all your posts boil down to "Hawke wasn't special, why care?, so here are my 2 cents:

A) The Seekers initially thought that Hawke was in a nefarious plot to sabotage the chantry and assumed his dastardly plot could be reversed.

And yet she continued her search for Hawke even after she learned it was Anders who actually blew up the chantry. So no, that's not the reason she was looking for him/her.

Even without superpowers, Hawke is still massively interesting to have as an asset due to what (s)he represents. Heroes have a lot of sway, especially if they're the paragon of virtues for one side of the conflict.

Yes. I do not doubt this. I'm only asking why they would go through the trouble of finding Hawke, who left Kirkwall for god knows why and who's whereabaouts are unknown to absolutely everyone, when if all they want of Hawke is the legend they could easily find someone to pretend to be Hawke.

I also disagree with your assessment that somehow the Warden was gifted whereas Hawke wasn't. They were both very familiar in background. Both are characters coming from humble backgrounds achieving something incredible.

You missed my point. The Warden was uniquely abled to stopping the Blight because A) only a Grey Warden can kill an Archdemon for good and the Warden has the means to unite all the races of Thedas under the Grey Warden command by using the treaties. We know exactly why the Warden is important to stopping the Blight. Hawke? We can only guess of his/her importance because it's never once made known to us how Hawke is supposed to end the war between mages and templars.

[Adanu]

batlin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Because people would realize he's an imposter? Seriously now, you're just fishing.

Oh really? How would they know an imposter from the real deal?

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

I'm not going to quote as it seems all your posts boil down to "Hawke wasn't special, why care?, so here are my 2 cents:

A) The Seekers initially thought that Hawke was in a nefarious plot to sabotage the chantry and assumed his dastardly plot could be reversed.

And yet she continued her search for Hawke even after she learned it was Anders who actually blew up the chantry. So no, that's not the reason she was looking for him/her.

Even without superpowers, Hawke is still massively interesting to have as an asset due to what (s)he represents. Heroes have a lot of sway, especially if they're the paragon of virtues for one side of the conflict.

Yes. I do not doubt this. I'm only asking why they would go through the trouble of finding Hawke, who left Kirkwall for god knows why and who's whereabaouts are unknown to absolutely everyone, when if all they want of Hawke is the legend they could easily find someone to pretend to be Hawke.

I also disagree with your assessment that somehow the Warden was gifted whereas Hawke wasn't. They were both very familiar in background. Both are characters coming from humble backgrounds achieving something incredible.

You missed my point. The Warden was uniquely abled to stopping the Blight because A) only a Grey Warden can kill an Archdemon for good and the Warden has the means to unite all the races of Thedas under the Grey Warden command by using the treaties. We know exactly why the Warden is important to stopping the Blight. Hawke? We can only guess of his/her importance because it's never once made known to us how Hawke is supposed to end the war between mages and templars.

You don't need something tangible to be special.

Ads it is, your argument is 'Hawke isn't special'.

Hawke is special by virtue of deed and story.

[batlin]

Adanu wrote...

\\You don't need something tangible to be special.

Ads it is, your argument is 'Hawke isn't special'.

Hawke is special by virtue of deed and story.

Now answer me this very simple question:

What makes Hawke special to the Chantry?

Modifié par batlin, 26 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[Adanu]

batlin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

You don't need something tangible to be special.

Ads it is, your argument is 'Hawke isn't special'.

Hawke is special by virtue of deed and story.

Now answer me this very simple question:

What makes Hawke special to the Chantry?

If you can't answer this yourself...

EVen the Chantry plays politics, and a figurehead like Hawke would be an awesome political tool.

Seriously, you just don't get how mob mentality works, do you?

[batlin]

Adanu wrote...

EVen the Chantry plays politics, and a figurehead like Hawke would be an awesome political tool.

Alright then, so since the general public and the chantry know almost nothing concrete about Hawke, a stand-in would therefore be just as convincing as Hawke as the real person would, right? Who would know the difference apart from some of the people who met him/her in person in Kirkwall?

And why pick Hawke? Alistair too is a legendary figure who came from humble origins and helped end the Blight, and he's also not missing.

Modifié par batlin, 26 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[Unknown_Warrior]

batlin wrote...

And yet she continued her search for Hawke even after she learned it was Anders who actually blew up the chantry. So no, that's not the reason she was looking for him/her.

Yes, which I why I said she initially thought, Varric explains this to her even as early as the opro

Yes. I do not doubt this. I'm only asking why they would go through the trouble of finding Hawke, who left Kirkwall for god knows why and who's whereabaouts are unknown to absolutely everyone, when if all they want of Hawke is the legend they could easily find someone to pretend to be Hawke.

Could they? Fairly many people dealt with Hawke. All the templars of Kirkwall, nearly all the mages of Kirkwall, Alistair (if he survived), most of the nobles. Not to mention (and I saved the best for last) is that Hawke defeated the War general of the Qunari, I think a fake Hawke would be quickly detected. I mean, all Qunari in act III (and Tallis) could instantly recognise Hawke.

You missed my point. The Warden was uniquely abled to stopping the Blight because A) only a Grey Warden can kill an Archdemon for good and the Warden has the means to unite all the races of Thedas under the Grey Warden command by using the treaties. We know exactly why the Warden is important to stopping the Blight. Hawke? We can only guess of his/her importance because it's never once made known to us how Hawke is supposed to end the war between mages and templars.

But the problem is, the Warden wasn't uniquely abled. In fact, you always traveled along with somebody who could invoke the same treaties and permanently kill the same Archdemon. The Warden had NO unique ability or powers that made him/her stronger than the next bloke (unless you call dying 20 years faster and being a beacon reading: "Kill me, Darkspawn" powers). They were just a random person who rose up and did something amazing, much the same as Hawke. With the sole exception being that the former drank some lyrium-enhanced blood beforehand.

Let's turn this argument on its head. I'll use your logic for Hawke on the Warden, argue this:
A) Why was the Warden unique? Couldn't some Warden from Orlais/Anderfels walk in and do the same job?
Couldn't they use a fake Warden instead? Who could tell the difference.

I await your reply.

Modifié par Unknown_Warrior, 26 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[batlin]

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

Yes, which I why I said she initially thought, Varric explains this to her even as early as the opro

And yet the Seeker continued her seacrh for Hawke even after learning he/she had nothing to do with starting the war.

Could they? Fairly many people dealt with Hawke. All the templars of Kirkwall, nearly all the mages of Kirkwall, Alistair (if he survived), most of the nobles. Not to mention (and I saved the best for last) is that Hawke defeated the War general of the Qunari, I think a fake Hawke would be quickly detected. I mean, all Qunari in act III (and Tallis) could instantly recognise Hawke.

The Seeker was surprised at almost everything varric told her about Hawke's accomplishments, including killing the Arishok. If indeed a great deal of templars knew this about Hawke, just how the hell would the Seeker, the one charged by the Chantry to learn all she could about Hawke and find him, not know about it? The only conclusion is that there really aren't that many who knew about Hawke's exact accomplishments, in which case there would be very, very few people overall who would know the real Hawke from a fake one. And if their goal is to inspire the masses, a fake Hawke would do just as well. See, Hawke is not uniquely abled to ending the war as far as we know. Hell, just having a famous figure isn't enough either. Becuse if it were, wouldn't Alistair be a much more ideal figurehead? He too came from humble origins, became a Grey Warden, helped end the Blight, and in the end he's a well-loved king. Tell me, what about Hawke's legend that is limited to only one city makes him a better figurehead than Alistair, so much so that they're willing to go through all the trouble of finding Hawke?

But the problem is, the Warden wasn't uniquely abled. In fact, you always traveled along with somebody who could invoke the same treaties and permanently kill the same Archdemon. The Warden had NO unique ability or powers that made him/her stronger than the next bloke (unless you call dying 20 years faster and being a beacon reading: "Kill me, Darkspawn" powers). They were just a random person who rose up and did something amazing, much the same as Hawke. With the sole exception being that the former drank some lyrium-enhanced blood beforehand.

Let's turn this argument on its head. I'll use your logic for Hawke on the Warden, argue this:
A) Why was the Warden unique? Couldn't some Warden from Orlais/Anderfels walk in and do the same job?
Couldn't they use a fake Warden instead? Who could tell the difference.

I await your reply.

The Warden's importance isn't an issue because no one is placing importance on him/her. Loghain wanted all the grey wardens gone because they threatened his grip on Ferelden; he didn't care about any one warden specifically. As it pertains to the Blight, yes, the Warden was hugely important because he/she was instrumental in ending it. It's not a question of whether the Warden was necessary in hindsight, it's a question of what the Warden did. And even then, the Warden may very well have been necessary in hindsight because attacking an archdemon with only two grey wardens was unorthodox; in war there's a good chance many of them would die, so the more grey wardens present to fight the Archdemon the better their chances.

Hawke on the other hand does have importance placed specifically on him/her as it pertains to the templar vs. mage war. What did Hawke do to start it? Absolutely nothing. What can Hawke do to end it? Nothing we're made privy to. See, if the point of the disjointed story was to discover what made Hawke special, we never find out. You see, not only is Hawke unecessary in hindsight, he/she's also unimportant in his/her actions.

If you don't respond to anything else, just answer me this: Do you deny that we never find out what the chantry is looking for Hawke for? Even knowing that he/she is by no means the only legendary figure in Thedas?

Modifié par batlin, 26 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[batlin]

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Modifié par batlin, 26 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[Adanu]

batlin, you're borderline trolling at this point. Seriously.

If you can't figure out why Hawke is important, you never will.

[batlin]

Adanu wrote...

batlin, you're borderline trolling at this point. Seriously.

If you can't figure out why Hawke is important, you never will.

Translation: "I can't answer your question without admitting I'm wrong so I'll just deflect by calling you a troll"

[Adanu]

batlin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

batlin, you're borderline trolling at this point. Seriously.

If you can't figure out why Hawke is important, you never will.

Translation: "I can't answer your question without admitting I'm wrong so I'll just deflect by calling you a troll"

Translation: "I like putting words in peoples mouth because i don't want t othink for myself"

I can do that too, ****.

[batlin]

Adanu wrote...

Translation: "I like putting words in peoples mouth because i don't want t othink for myself"

I can do that too, ****.

You expect me to come to a different conclusion when you're unwilling to answer a simple question and then calling me a troll?

Modifié par batlin, 26 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[Mokthar]

batlin wrote...

The Seeker was surprised at almost everything varric told her about Hawke's accomplishments, including killing the Arishok. If indeed a great deal of templars knew this about Hawke, just how the hell would the Seeker, the one charged by the Chantry to learn all she could about Hawke and find him, not know about it? The only conclusion is that there really aren't that many who knew about Hawke's exact accomplishments, in which case there would be very, very few people overall who would know the real Hawke from a fake one. And if their goal is to inspire the masses, a fake Hawke would do just as well. See, Hawke is not uniquely abled to ending the war as far as we know. Hell, just having a famous figure isn't enough either. Becuse if it were, wouldn't Alistair be a much more ideal figurehead? He too came from humble origins, became a Grey Warden, helped end the Blight, and in the end he's a well-loved king. Tell me, what about Hawke's legend that is limited to only one city makes him a better figurehead than Alistair, so much so that they're willing to go through all the trouble of finding Hawke?

Hawke is important because:

a) He stopped the Qunaris, and the Qunari ARE a major threat, he isn't just famous, he is the only one who managed that

Hawke was the one who kept things together on the conflict between the mages and templar, again, it is not because he is famous, he was the only one who managed that

c) He is the ACTUAL most important person on Thedas because the Warden is gone, on DA3 the protagonist will be the most important person because Hawke will be also gone

PS: What is it that you have against Hawke? Your anger is clouding your judgement

Modifié par Mokthar, 26 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[Unknown_Warrior]

batlin wrote...
And yet the Seeker continued her seacrh for Hawke even after learning he/she had nothing to do with starting the war.

Because they're important for morale. Why did the USA still search for Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden even after they stopped being a real threat?

The Seeker was surprised at almost everything varric told her about Hawke's accomplishments, including killing the Arishok. If indeed a great deal of templars knew this about Hawke, just how the hell would the Seeker, the one charged by the Chantry to learn all she could about Hawke and find him, not know about it? The only conclusion is that there really aren't that many who knew about Hawke's exact accomplishments, in which case there would be very, very few people overall who would know the real Hawke from a fake one. And if their goal is to inspire the masses, a fake Hawke would do just as well. See, Hawke is not uniquely abled to ending the war as far as we know. Hell, just having a famous figure isn't enough either. Becuse if it were, wouldn't Alistair be a much more ideal figurehead? He too came from humble origins, became a Grey Warden, helped end the Blight, and in the end he's a well-loved king. Tell me, what about Hawke's legend that is limited to only one city makes him a better figurehead than Alistair, so much so that they're willing to go through all the trouble of finding Hawke?

Was that done to not spoil the game for us? I don't think Cassandra was ever suprised at learning that Hawke killed the Arishok, only at the fact that (s)he had done it in single combat.

The fact that Cassandra was interrogating Varric was NOT to get the story, but to get the story right. As Varric himself said, the story of Hawke was oft repeated wrongly. This does not, however, mean that few people met Hawke, but merely that few only knew all that Hawke did. Taarbas (Qunari, Act III, The Lost Swords) knew that Hawke killed the Arishok but not much else. Ella (Mage, Act II, Dissent) knew that Hawke possibly helped mages and protected her, but wasn't aware of his involvement in the Qunari conflict.

Many people knew of Hawke, but only knew of him/her and how it pertained to their conflict. Given the former examples, Ella could probably quite flawlessly explain how Hawke handled the mages but can only rely on hearsay on how he dealt with the Arishok. Taarbas could probably quite well explain how Hawke was involved in the Qunari conflict, but not in the MvT's, resulting in two different stories that could be extremely different. Cassandra went straight to someone who was involved in MOST of it, namely Hawke's companion.

The Warden's importance isn't an issue because no one is placing importance on him/her. Loghain wanted all the grey wardens gone because they threatened his grip on Ferelden; he didn't care about any one warden specifically. As it pertains to the Blight, yes, the Warden was hugely important because he/she was instrumental in ending it. It's not a question of whether the Warden was necessary in hindsight, it's a question of what the Warden did. And even then, the Warden may very well have been necessary in hindsight because attacking an archdemon with only two grey wardens was unorthodox; in war there's a good chance many of them would die, so the more grey wardens present to fight the Archdemon the better their chances.

Hawke on the other hand does have importance placed specifically on him/her as it pertains to the templar vs. mage war. What did Hawke do to start it? Absolutely nothing. What can Hawke do to end it? Nothing we're made privy to. See, if the point of the disjointed story was to discover what made Hawke special, we never find out. You see, not only is Hawke unecessary in hindsight, he/she's also unimportant in his/her actions.

But why does that even matter? Agreed, the Warden was important by destiny and duty, Hawke was important by random. That does not diminish the results, however. They are both important people, one because they were meant to, the other by chance.

If you don't respond to anything else, just answer me
this: Do you deny that we never find out what the chantry is looking for
Hawke for? Even knowing that he/she is by no means the only legendary
figure in Thedas?

Morale. Neither the Warden nor Hawke have any powers or ability to stop this war in the literal sense, but having them around can do wonders for everyone involved. Again, I refer to my statement I made at the start of my post. Why did the USA still hunt Saddam Hussein even after he posed no threat? Same for Osama Bin Laden. Same for Hitler. Why was the legend of Spartacus so important for slaves?

[Adanu]

batlin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Translation: "I like putting words in peoples mouth because i don't want t othink for myself"

I can do that too, ****.

You expect me to come to a different conclusion when you're unwilling to answer a simple question and then calling me a troll?

You're being obtuse to the point of absurdity pretty much. Either you get it or you don.t.

[batlin]

Mokthar wrote...

a) He stopped the Qunaris, and the Qunari ARE a major threat, he isn't just famous, he is the only one who managed that

Hawke beat the Arishok and his grand total of 6 guards. That's hardly a feat that couldn't have been accomplished with a few squads of templars.

Hawke was the one who kept things together on the conflict between the
mages and templar, again, it is not because he is famous, he was the
only one who managed that

No he didn't. The circles turn on the templars regardless of what choices you make.

c)
He is the ACTUAL most important person on Thedas because the Warden is
gone, on DA3 the protagonist will be the most important person because
Hawke will be also gone

How is he the most important, again? Throughout the game there's no indication that he's anything more than a skilled fighter.

PS: What is it that you have against Hawke? Your anger is clouding your judgement

I have nothing against Hawke. What I have something against is plot holes and really, really stupid Seekers.

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

Because they're important for morale. Why did the USA still search for Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden even after they stopped being a real threat?

Ignoring that we don't actually know if indeed morale is what they're after, I already explained that if they wanted a figure to inspire morale, they have Alistair. It makes no sense for the Chantry, who is currently fighting a war, to devote a whole section of their forces to finding one guy who we aren't even sure will be of any help.

And we tracked down Hussein and bin laden because they're war criminals, not because it would be good for our "morale" if we caught them.

Was that done to not spoil the game for us? I don't think Cassandra was ever suprised at learning that Hawke killed the Arishok, only at the fact that (s)he had done it in single combat.

Yeah, you don't think because you don't know. Frankly all the signs point to that she did not because the whole time she was under the impression that Hawke was working against the Chantry.

The fact that Cassandra was interrogating Varric was NOT to get the story, but to get the story right. As Varric himself said, the story of Hawke was oft repeated wrongly. This does not, however, mean that few people met Hawke, but merely that few only knew all that Hawke did. Taarbas (Qunari, Act III, The Lost Swords) knew that Hawke killed the Arishok but not much else. Ella (Mage, Act II, Dissent) knew that Hawke possibly helped mages and protected her, but wasn't aware of his involvement in the Qunari conflict.

My point exactly. There are very few people who know exactly what Hawke accomplished, and fewer who know everything Hawke accomplished. And bear in mind that these individuals are only those who were in Kirkwall during these events. Compared to the hundreds of thousands in Thedas where the Chantry have power, this is a very, very negligable amount. It's established that Hawke's legend is for being a powerful fighter, not that he was found an idol in the deeproads which caused the Knight Commander to go insane. Outside of Kirkwall his actual deeds are clearly not well-known at all.

But why does that even matter? Agreed, the Warden was important by destiny and duty, Hawke was important by random. That does not diminish the results, however. They are both important people, one because they were meant to, the other by chance.

Hawke is different in that he/she is utterly unimportant to the mage vs. templar war in just about every way. If they need a figurehead to end the war, they have a selection of readily available legends that aren't in hiding, such as Alistair. And, remember, the notion that they want Hawke for his/her legendary status is a weak theory in the first place. In the cutscene at the end of Act 1 the Seeker is clearly looking for Hawke because she thinks he was responsible for the events in Act 3. All signs point to bad writing here.

[batlin]

Adanu wrote...

You're being obtuse to the point of absurdity pretty much. Either you get it or you don.t.

Obtuse? I'm actually being very clear:

The chantry is clearly looking for Hawke because they believe he/she was responsible for starting the war as evidenced in the end cutscene with the Seeker a the end of Act 1. Therefore the "Hawke is special" theory is dead in the water to begin with.

You however continue to insist that it's because of morale that they need Hawke. I asked why they needed Hawke himself if they could just as easily find a stand-in since only a handful of people in Kirkwall actually knows what he/she looks like, and why they couldn't use Alistair as a figurehead instead.

Then you started acting all defensive and called me a troll. Am I still being obtuse?

Modifié par batlin, 26 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[RVallant]

Adanu wrote...

batlin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Translation: "I like putting words in peoples mouth because i don't want t othink for myself"

I can do that too, ****.

You expect me to come to a different conclusion when you're unwilling to answer a simple question and then calling me a troll?

You're being obtuse to the point of absurdity pretty much. Either you get it or you don.t.

As I like to butt in, I think his points are clear and valid, not trolling.

I'm not equipped to rebut his points though, but the other guy posting is and I can see both sides of the story. So in the interests of discussion I'll butt back out again now, but I do hope you counteract properly

[Nathan Redgrave]

Zanallen wrote...

Djoxy wrote...

It definitely is, bioware said that DA3 is going to be the best of the both games... I just want DA:O2...

And yet all of the information we have seems to point at DA3 being far closer to DA2 than to DAO.

Hey, a lot of what DA2 did works well. It just has a lot of junk weighing it down: constant and repetitive mook waves instead of unique enemy arrangement, recycled or re-visited or recycled AND revisited environments, less-than-perfect plot execution, lack of satisfying consequences for your choices from one year to another, and a certain problem with glitches prior to them being patched...

I can't speak for others, but if a game came out that featured DA: O's customization, scope, and strategy, but had DA2's pacing and presentation, I'd snap it up in a heartbeat.

[Nathan Redgrave]

batlin wrote...

And yet she continued her search for Hawke even after she learned it was Anders who actually blew up the chantry. So no, that's not the reason she was looking for him/her.

It's implied that she starts out with the impression that Hawke had an active hand in inciting the revolution, but after the fact it seems she's more interested in finding Hawke because, as a champion either to the mages or the Templars, Hawke might have the influence to bring some order to the chaos of the war and help broker peace.

[batlin]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

It's implied that she starts out with the impression that Hawke had an active hand in inciting the revolution, but after the fact it seems she's more interested in finding Hawke because, as a champion either to the mages or the Templars, Hawke might have the influence to bring some order to the chaos of the war and help broker peace.

It's possible she had just changed her mind mid-story, but then the Seeker doesn't even bother to reveal the new information to Leliana before asking whether they should keep looking or stick with the "original plan" (whatever that is). The only point I'm making here is that there are a lot of inconsistencies and that in the end, we never find out why Hawke is so important.

This is a really drawn-out tangent. It was said that the disjointed story was meant to explain hawke's importance, and even if we DO learn why Hawke is important, having a consistent plot and having a character study of sorts are not mutually exclusive elements. There was no reason to have insular acts even if what they wanted to do was illustrate what made Hawke important to the Chantry.

Modifié par batlin, 27 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[iheartbob]

I was fine with the direction the series took, I just think it could have been executed a little better at the end.