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[jbrand2002uk]

most of the anti DA2 sentiment can be summed up as: DAO fanboys going wah wah stomp stomp i cant play as my Warden this game sucks derp derp, evidenced by those same self people criticising DA2 for the faults that they praise in DAO when this happens no logical person takes them seriously

[Rxdiaz]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

most of the anti DA2 sentiment can be summed up as: DAO fanboys going wah wah stomp stomp i cant play as my Warden this game sucks derp derp, evidenced by those same self people criticising DA2 for the faults that they praise in DAO when this happens no logical person takes them seriously

Lol, absolutely. It can't possible be that the game just flat out sucks....

[robertthebard]

batlin wrote...
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Can I argue the BS reasons people say DA:O was better?  Let's start with your predictions, shall we?  Hawke does not have to lose all their family members.  It is possible, even likely that one of them will end up either a templar, in the Circle, or the Wardens, depending on how it's played out, and who goes where.  Self fulfilling prophecies are not a good definition of answered predictions.  So, in the spirit of the thread title, we'll just call this BS.

Isabela will indeed betray you, but it's not hard to get her to come back, not hard at all.  If Zevran betrays you, you did something wrong.  I will point out that betrayal is betrayal, and saying that DA:O is better, while comparing betrayals is the definition of BS.

How does DA:O address the mages any better?  A blurb in a cutscene?  When you go to the Circle as a non-mage, it's obviously in need of attention.  When you get to Ostagar, you can obviously see that mages aren't confined to cages, there's only one person in a cage, and he's not a mage.  The first time you can talk to Wynne, she's obviously not closely supervised either, and the same can be said for a mage in an arguement with Alistair.  It does show some tension at the strategy discussion though, so I guess 2 points for some addressing of the tension.  So while not total BS, it's not like there was any real depth to the exploration of the mage problem.  In fact, if you play as a mage, you hardly see any mage prejudice, but play an elf, and talk to the farmer in Lothering.  Not to mention the entirety of the City Elf origin.

In Origins, you are tasked to end the Blight.  This is the goal, and no matter how you play it out, you're going to do it.  Of course, there's also hot discussion now on trivializing the ways in which that could be done, and all the options on the table do that, btw, not just one of them.  In DA2, you're not going to be able to stop anything.  I mentioned that you don't get in depth looks at the Mage/Chantry tension, but you do, as I pointed out, get enough to know that it exists.  Why didn't your Warden have the option, after saving the circle, to stop it then?  Assuming they saved the Circle in the first place, and if not, why not go on an Exalted March to end the "mage threat" then?  The war has been brewing for centuries, but you expected to be able to stop it by simply what, being there?  It's not a single antagonist, such as the Archdemon causing the problem, it's a Thedas wide event, and no matter how you slice it, you're not going to be able to contain it.  So just how would you prevent an inevitable war?  Do you sincerely believe that it's Meredith's, or Orsino's fault that it's coming to this?  How shallow of you to overlook the big picture just to come out looking like a hero.

This is the problem people seem to be having the most with DA2.  A realization that just dawned on me as well.  Hawke isn't a hero.  Hawke is one person caught in the middle of a bad situation, 2 actually, considering Act II and Act III.  He's not the only person that could have conceivably stopped the Arishok, but he was Johnny on the Spot when it went down, and was in a better position that some.  Right place at the right time, and that's all it comes down to.  Twice.  Well, maybe not twice, since there is no preventing the war.  No matter how influential one person may be, it's not likely that simply deposing Meredith is going to prevent the inevitable.  Events in the Last Straw are going to happen, no matter who the Knight Commander is, it's not like the Knight Commander was the target, now was it?  At any rate, fancy title not withstanding, Hawke was a refugee from Ferelden, and at best a minor noble in Kirkwall when Act III starts.  He/She was put there by his/her own actions, and really, until the end of Act II, he/she's just a refugee that made good.  You see, what Varric's narative shows, in no uncertain terms, is that despite the rhetoric the Chantry was led to believe, none of the events in game were planned, from the start.  Other than we know the game was written, and that they are going to happen eventually, but from Hawke's perspective, it all comes down to Johnny on the spot.

The Warden was thrust into a Hero's role at the end of Ostagar, no matter what.  There was no escaping destiny, and yet, this railroad to plot is applauded, while the railroad to plot in DA2, even though it's not based on a "the protaganist is a hero" is boo'd as the worst game design ever.  Go ahead though, side with the Archdemon as a City Elf.  Yes, Hawke went about the day to day business of trying to improve his/her lot in life, much as we all do, and wound up in some extraordinary circumstances.  Hawke responds to the poster about the Viscount's son not because he/she is concerned about the boy, but because it comes with a reward for success.  Hawke wants to be paid.  Hawke deals with the quest that leads up to All That Remains for the same reason, a poster that says "I'll pay you to figure this out".  All That Remains plays out to attempt to save family.  None of this is done to make Kirkwall a better place, it's all done for selfish motivations.  For shame, BioWare, for portraying an everyday Joe as somebody that could be an interesting protaganist.

[robertthebard]

Rxdiaz wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

most of the anti DA2 sentiment can be summed up as: DAO fanboys going wah wah stomp stomp i cant play as my Warden this game sucks derp derp, evidenced by those same self people criticising DA2 for the faults that they praise in DAO when this happens no logical person takes them seriously

Lol, absolutely. It can't possible be that the game just flat out sucks....

That's your opinion, and you're certainly "entitled" to it.  We don't share it, but hey, that's life isn't it?

[Melca36]

eroeru wrote...

^^ The screenshot that was brought out is of a "strolling" NPC. It's the same, graphics-wise, for everybody, no matter how high end.

Thank you.

[jbrand2002uk]

Melca36 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ The screenshot that was brought out is of a "strolling" NPC. It's the same, graphics-wise, for everybody, no matter how high end.

Thank you.

Well after upgrading my Graphics card to an ASUS EAH6770 1GB i have started re playing DA2 on ultra settings with DX11 and the High Res texture pack on while the NPC's shown in the photo are not near the quality of the PC and the party members they're not as bad as the one shown which is either from a budget PC running DX9 on low to medium settings or from a console variant

[Melca36]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ The screenshot that was brought out is of a "strolling" NPC. It's the same, graphics-wise, for everybody, no matter how high end.

Thank you.

Well after upgrading my Graphics card to an ASUS EAH6770 1GB i have started re playing DA2 on ultra settings with DX11 and the High Res texture pack on while the NPC's shown in the photo are not near the quality of the PC and the party members they're not as bad as the one shown which is either from a budget PC running DX9 on low to medium settings or from a console variant

Please post a screenshot. Because my highend machine is down (want to get a 1000 watt power supply for it) otherwise I would have posted it. I do remember them as being basically the same no matter the system I used.

Those silent characters should look the same as you pc no matter what type of ring you are using. They should not look watered down and faded like that. There is no reason.

The silent 2D elves are actually rendered better.

[Welsh Inferno]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

most of the anti DA2 sentiment can be summed up as: DAO fanboys going wah wah stomp stomp i cant play as my Warden this game sucks derp derp, evidenced by those same self people criticising DA2 for the faults that they praise in DAO when this happens no logical person takes them seriously

What an utter load of bollox.

[robertthebard]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

most of the anti DA2 sentiment can be summed up as: DAO fanboys going wah wah stomp stomp i cant play as my Warden this game sucks derp derp, evidenced by those same self people criticising DA2 for the faults that they praise in DAO when this happens no logical person takes them seriously

What an utter load of bollox.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for a link that shows 700k gamers hated DA2, but that position has been put forward in this very thread, or implied anyway.  I guess it's just another one of those "entitled" opinions, yes?

[Rxdiaz]

Hey, everyone is certainly entitled to an opinion on DA2. I just get tired of the BS excuse that people who didn't like it are DA:O fanboys. That is TOTAL BS. I liked DA:O sure, but I certainly didn't think it was the greatest thing ever. I played it 2+ times and was looking forward to DA2, but there are plenty of games I prefer to DA:O. I'd rate it a solid 8.5-9. I'm FAR from a "butthurt fanboy" like I hear thrown around. I just found DA2 to be a VERY POOR game.

I find it funny that people are throwing a fit about ME3 (which DID have a lousy ending) when ME3 blows DA2 out of the water. I literally had ZERO fun with DA2. Doesn't mean you can't love it, but to me it was trash.

[robertthebard]

Rxdiaz wrote...

Hey, everyone is certainly entitled to an opinion on DA2. I just get tired of the BS excuse that people who didn't like it are DA:O fanboys. That is TOTAL BS. I liked DA:O sure, but I certainly didn't think it was the greatest thing ever. I played it 2+ times and was looking forward to DA2, but there are plenty of games I prefer to DA:O. I'd rate it a solid 8.5-9. I'm FAR from a "butthurt fanboy" like I hear thrown around. I just found DA2 to be a VERY POOR game.

I find it funny that people are throwing a fit about ME3 (which DID have a lousy ending) when ME3 blows DA2 out of the water. I literally had ZERO fun with DA2. Doesn't mean you can't love it, but to me it was trash.

I don't see it as any worse than people that did like it being called fanboys, and worse, even in this thread, which was an obvious troll attempt.

[jbrand2002uk]

Melca36 wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ The screenshot that was brought out is of a "strolling" NPC. It's the same, graphics-wise, for everybody, no matter how high end.

Thank you.

Well after upgrading my Graphics card to an ASUS EAH6770 1GB i have started re playing DA2 on ultra settings with DX11 and the High Res texture pack on while the NPC's shown in the photo are not near the quality of the PC and the party members they're not as bad as the one shown which is either from a budget PC running DX9 on low to medium settings or from a console variant

Please post a screenshot. Because my highend machine is down (want to get a 1000 watt power supply for it) otherwise I would have posted it. I do remember them as being basically the same no matter the system I used.

Those silent characters should look the same as you pc no matter what type of ring you are using. They should not look watered down and faded like that. There is no reason.

The silent 2D elves are actually rendered better.

Ok will get a screenshot no idea how to post it in a forum though lol 

[Welsh Inferno]

robertthebard wrote...

Yeah, I'm still waiting for a link that shows 700k gamers hated DA2, but that position has been put forward in this very thread, or implied anyway.  I guess it's just another one of those "entitled" opinions, yes?

Huh? No idea what you are talking about. I was referring directly to what the other guy said. 

Saying the reason that a significant amount of people dont like a game is because they couldnt play as their character in the previous game is beyond ridiculous. Now excuse me while I go sit over there & roll my eyes..

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 03 juin 2012 - 06:11 .

[eroeru]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

most of the anti DA2 sentiment can be summed up as: DAO fanboys going wah wah stomp stomp i cant play as my Warden this game sucks derp derp, evidenced by those same self people criticising DA2 for the faults that they praise in DAO when this happens no logical person takes them seriously

Very very elaborately written. Reality follows you, my good sir, not the other way around.

Surely.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

robertthebard wrote...
Can I argue the BS reasons people say DA:O was better?  Let's start with your predictions, shall we?  Hawke does not have to lose all their family members.  It is possible, even likely that one of them will end up either a templar, in the Circle, or the Wardens, depending on how it's played out, and who goes where.

What does that matter? Hawke was alone in ACT II.  If there is any family motivation, then it's gone.
 

robertthebard wrote...
Self fulfilling prophecies are not a good definition of answered predictions.  So, in the spirit of the thread title, we'll just call this BS.

BS of what? It's there and it can happen to anyone's game. Just becaise you cannot predict DA 2 doesn't mean anyone who can a BS. It simply meant you don't see what other people see. It's plain and simple.

robertthebard wrote...
Isabela will indeed betray you, but it's not hard to get her to come back, not hard at all.  If Zevran betrays you, you did something wrong.  I will point out that betrayal is betrayal, and saying that DA:O is better, while comparing betrayals is the definition of BS.

Irrelevant. The point is Isablea did indeed betray Hawke - which you acknowldege. So stop making excuses. 

robertthebard wrote...
In Origins, you are tasked to end the Blight.  This is the goal, and no matter how you play it out, you're going to do it.  Of course, there's also hot discussion now on trivializing the ways in which that could be done, and all the options on the table do that, btw, not just one of them. 

A goal that move you through your play when you don't have any. Or a goal as a basis to work on your own personal goals toward the end. - which DA 2 is lacking.  

robertthebard wrote...
In DA2, you're not going to be able to stop anything.

Then what's the point of playing? Just to watch movie?  

robertthebard wrote...
I mentioned that you don't get in depth looks at the Mage/Chantry tension, but you do, as I pointed out, get enough to know that it exists.  Why didn't your Warden have the option, after saving the circle, to stop it then?  Assuming they saved the Circle in the first place, and if not, why not go on an Exalted March to end the "mage threat" then?  The war has been brewing for centuries, but you expected to be able to stop it by simply what, being there?  It's not a single antagonist, such as the Archdemon causing the problem, it's a Thedas wide event, and no matter how you slice it, you're not going to be able to contain it.  So just how would you prevent an inevitable war?  Do you sincerely believe that it's Meredith's, or Orsino's fault that it's coming to this?  How shallow of you to overlook the big picture just to come out looking like a hero.

If you know you cannot stop it then why bother to stay in Kirkwall for 10 years? Why bother to meddle with other people businness? Why bother with the city? Why even bother playing DA 2 at all ?  

robertthebard wrote... 
This is the problem people seem to be having the most with DA2.  A realization that just dawned on me as well.  Hawke isn't a hero.

Then he shouldn't be the champion of Kirkwall or labelled as the most important single person in Thedas or exaggerated as a legend. He is not qualify. 

robertthebard wrote..
Hawke is one person caught in the middle of a bad situation, 2 actually, considering Act II and Act III.  He's not the only person that could have conceivably stopped the Arishok, but he was Johnny on the Spot when it went down, and was in a better position that some.  Right place at the right time, and that's all it comes down to.  Twice.  Well, maybe not twice, since there is no preventing the war.  No matter how influential one person may be, it's not likely that simply deposing Meredith is going to prevent the inevitable.  Events in the Last Straw are going to happen, no matter who the Knight Commander is, it's not like the Knight Commander was the target, now was it?  At any rate, fancy title not withstanding, Hawke was a refugee from Ferelden, and at best a minor noble in Kirkwall when Act III starts.  He/She was put there by his/her own actions, and really, until the end of Act II, he/she's just a refugee that made good.  You see, what Varric's narative shows, in no uncertain terms, is that despite the rhetoric the Chantry was led to believe, none of the events in game were planned, from the start.  Other than we know the game was written, and that they are going to happen eventually, but from Hawke's perspective, it all comes down to Johnny on the spot.

Then act as normal people and stay away from my game. I have enough playing as normal person in real life. I don't need useless PC. I could simply watch movie if it's just  about  seeing the events unfold before me. I invested  36hours+  and making choices to make it done as a hero and not to as a looser.

robertthebard wrote..
The Warden was thrust into a Hero's role at the end of Ostagar, no matter what.  There was no escaping destiny, and yet, this railroad to plot is applauded, while the railroad to plot in DA2, even though it's not based on a "the protaganist is a hero" is boo'd as the worst game design ever.  Go ahead though, side with the Archdemon as a City Elf. 

Like I said, some people want to be a hero. Some people play Shepard to be a hero. So when Shepard fail in ME 3, you cannot blame them to be angry. It's common sense. It's the same thing with DA 2. Only few people find playing peasant's role as errant boy interesting. 

robertthebard wrote..
Yes, Hawke went about the day to day business of trying to improve his/her lot in life, much as we all do, and wound up in some extraordinary circumstances.  Hawke responds to the poster about the Viscount's son not because he/she is concerned about the boy, but because it comes with a reward for success.  Hawke wants to be paid.  Hawke deals with the quest that leads up to All That Remains for the same reason, a poster that says "I'll pay you to figure this out".  All That Remains plays out to attempt to save family.  None of this is done to make Kirkwall a better place, it's all done for selfish motivations.  For shame, BioWare, for portraying an everyday Joe as somebody that could be an interesting protaganist.

Nothing is interesting about being an average Joe. We did that everyday in our life. We work, we get paid we buy our necessities etc. So why bother showing that in video games too? What so interesting about being an average joe who fail in everything? Heck even in real life, most average joe are way more successful than Hawke with their own lives. Most people won't bother to live in dangerous place and risk their family knowing they canot do anything about it. Only a fool would do that. And that's what Hawke is.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 03 juin 2012 - 06:19 .

[Melca36]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ The screenshot that was brought out is of a "strolling" NPC. It's the same, graphics-wise, for everybody, no matter how high end.

Thank you.

Well after upgrading my Graphics card to an ASUS EAH6770 1GB i have started re playing DA2 on ultra settings with DX11 and the High Res texture pack on while the NPC's shown in the photo are not near the quality of the PC and the party members they're not as bad as the one shown which is either from a budget PC running DX9 on low to medium settings or from a console variant

Please post a screenshot. Because my highend machine is down (want to get a 1000 watt power supply for it) otherwise I would have posted it. I do remember them as being basically the same no matter the system I used.

Those silent characters should look the same as you pc no matter what type of ring you are using. They should not look watered down and faded like that. There is no reason.

The silent 2D elves are actually rendered better.

Ok will get a screenshot no idea how to post it in a forum though lol 

use imageshack.com

Upload it there and it will provide a link for you.

[robertthebard]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Yeah, I'm still waiting for a link that shows 700k gamers hated DA2, but that position has been put forward in this very thread, or implied anyway.  I guess it's just another one of those "entitled" opinions, yes?

Huh? No idea what you are talking about. I was referring directly to what the other guy said. 

Saying the reason that a significant amount of people dont like a game is because they couldnt play as their character in the previous game is beyond ridiculous. Now excuse me while I go sit over there & roll my eyes..

I have spent the last half hour or so going over the first 10 pages of this particular forum, going over topic titles, and hitting any BioWare posts, and so far, "I can't import my Warden" seems to be the predominant complaint, along with VA'ing in general.  You can, if you wish, go back and confirm or deny what's presented if you wish, but the general consensus, in as far as I came back forward through time in those threads is:  It's not Origins, or a continuation thereof, therefore it sucks.

[jbrand2002uk]

ok melca here goes as you'll see they're not brilliant more marginal improvement over the previously posted one http://imageshack.us...2060319105.jpg/
and http://imageshack.us...2060319120.jpg/ at least i hope i done this right lol

[robertthebard]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
Nothing is interesting about being an average Joe. We did that everyday in our life. We work, we get paid we buy our necessities etc. So why bother showing that in video games too? What so interesting about being an average joe who fail in everything? Heck even in real life, most average joe are way more successful than Hawke with their own lives. Most people won't bother to live in dangerous place and risk their family knowing they canot do anything about it. Only a fool would do that. And that's what Hawke is.

...and yet, here we are, argueing away, instead of having a forum of discussion about the game by people who like the game.  In a 3 month old troll post about direction, several versions of which are locked in the history of this forum alone.  I haven't read back on any of the other general discussion forums yet.  You don't like the game, but you don't mind trashing it, or people that disagree with you about it.  Cool.  Just don't expect that it's going to make anyone change their ideas about it.  I don't care if you like it or not.  I've pointed this out numerous times.  I don't have to read your posts in General/Global chat in game, so your opinion has zero impact on my game play.  If you don't like it, do what I advise people in MMO's to do, and what I did to Atari with NWN2, move on.  It's not like the standard excuse in MMO's applies, obviously your not staying around to chat with your friends in game.  I presented my opinion to Atari in clear and certain terms, I didn't buy their sequels, for about 6 years, when I could bargain bin them, and I was bored.

[Welsh Inferno]

robertthebard wrote...

I have spent the last half hour or so going over the first 10 pages of this particular forum, going over topic titles, and hitting any BioWare posts, and so far, "I can't import my Warden" seems to be the predominant complaint, along with VA'ing in general.  You can, if you wish, go back and confirm or deny what's presented if you wish, but the general consensus, in as far as I came back forward through time in those threads is:  It's not Origins, or a continuation thereof, therefore it sucks.

So why don't you spend the next half hour counting the people on this forum who do not feel that way? Oh I know why, cause it doesn't reinforce your opinion.  

Also, you havn't "presented" me anything. You just typed words, which I could potentially counter by saying the exact opposite, regardless of whether I actually bothered to look or not.

I loved Origins, I loved my Warden. I dislike DA2, I think hawke is meh. Yet I think the idea of a new protagonist each game is a great idea. Oops I just punched a hole in your logic. Its not a general consensus, this board is a minority, especially now when the forums DA2 forums are extremely quiet. Yes there are some who want to play as their Warden some more, there are also some who want to play as Hawke again and you could do this with every game out there....

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 03 juin 2012 - 06:45 .

[robertthebard]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

I have spent the last half hour or so going over the first 10 pages of this particular forum, going over topic titles, and hitting any BioWare posts, and so far, "I can't import my Warden" seems to be the predominant complaint, along with VA'ing in general.  You can, if you wish, go back and confirm or deny what's presented if you wish, but the general consensus, in as far as I came back forward through time in those threads is:  It's not Origins, or a continuation thereof, therefore it sucks.

So why don't you spend the next half hour counting the people on this forum who do not feel that way? Oh I know why, cause it doesn't reinforce your opinion.  

Also, you havn't "presented" me anything. You just typed words, which I could potentially counter by saying the exact opposite, regardless of whether I actually bothered to look or not.

I loved Origins, I loved my Warden. I dislike DA2, I think hawke is meh. Yet I think the idea of a new protagonist each game is a great idea. Oops I just punched a hole in your logic. Yes there are some who want to play as their Warden some more, there are also some who want to play as Hawke again and you could do this with every game out there....

So you're position now is that there are nothing but complaint posts.  I can see where this dialog is going to go, absolutely nowhere, since you're "entitled" to interpret anything presented anyway you wish.  Enjoy your "entitlement".  I will no longer have to read it, unless somebody quotes you.

[Welsh Inferno]

robertthebard wrote...

So you're position now is that there are nothing but complaint posts.  I can see where this dialog is going to go, absolutely nowhere, since you're "entitled" to interpret anything presented anyway you wish.  Enjoy your "entitlement".  I will no longer have to read it, unless somebody quotes you.

I said nothing of the sort. Infact I hadn't even stated my opinion ON THE GAME until one line in that. I'm saying your viewpoint is biased. You will never see anything that goes against your opinion because of it. Ah well, not my problem, Just gonna go roll my eyes at this, somewhere away from here..

[Cutlass Jack]

I don't even slightly agree it was the wrong direction. However, they did not get enough development time to really sell the ideas they were trying to fit in. Had they gotten another year development time...heck even another six months, many of the most common complaints would have been taken care of.

But as much as I love DA2, trying to fit in a 10 year storyline in a one year development window wasn't the best thought out plans. But it could have been amazing if they had the time to really do the differences when jumping forward.

So no, don't agree about it being the wrong direction.

[eroeru]

robertthebard wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

I have spent the last half hour or so going over the first 10 pages of this particular forum, going over topic titles, and hitting any BioWare posts, and so far, "I can't import my Warden" seems to be the predominant complaint, along with VA'ing in general.  You can, if you wish, go back and confirm or deny what's presented if you wish, but the general consensus, in as far as I came back forward through time in those threads is:  It's not Origins, or a continuation thereof, therefore it sucks.

So why don't you spend the next half hour counting the people on this forum who do not feel that way? Oh I know why, cause it doesn't reinforce your opinion.  

Also, you havn't "presented" me anything. You just typed words, which I could potentially counter by saying the exact opposite, regardless of whether I actually bothered to look or not.

I loved Origins, I loved my Warden. I dislike DA2, I think hawke is meh. Yet I think the idea of a new protagonist each game is a great idea. Oops I just punched a hole in your logic. Yes there are some who want to play as their Warden some more, there are also some who want to play as Hawke again and you could do this with every game out there....

So you're position now is that there are nothing but complaint posts.  I can see where this dialog is going to go, absolutely nowhere, since you're "entitled" to interpret anything presented anyway you wish.  Enjoy your "entitlement".  I will no longer have to read it, unless somebody quotes you.

What's with the meaningless accusations? What does it mean if someone is (too) "entitled"? I know it's sarcasm (and that doesn't help in meaningfulness either), but we can say the exact same to you. We won't read your posts, enjoy your "entitlement" to them.

What is important about DA2 is that many many people genuinely felt they didn't like it. People felt insulted even, as fans. You amounting the reasons behind this as "the only reason was that this wasn't origins" is false really. No one is such an utter idiot as to exclusively reason "wow, this game is not Origins, so I don't like it". They at first feel they don't like it, which has specific reasons they can then try to put to words, and some (in my case, I'd say all) of these reasons don't presuppose playing the previous game. At the very least, you cannot say they always presuppose such. That's just simplifying reality unto some figment of your imagination or tautology you came up with.

I can do this as well. "People who like DA2 only like it because it isn't Origins". 

You're mocking people, not speaking about actual meaningful stuff with substance to it (i.e. acknowledgeing ALL matters of fact, even those that hold the opinions and qualifications of the "haters"), but rather shouting ad hominems where-ever you can. Soon enough people will start question if you're a "professional troll" hired by EA. 
(you do know they do that in their business - it's leaked a while ago, google it if you don't know well enough already)

Modifié par eroeru, 03 juin 2012 - 07:14 .