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[jbrand2002uk]

If I was to be pedantic DA2 actually has 4 DLC's Black Emporium,Legacy,MOTA and The Exiled Prince

[wsandista]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Sales numbers are not indicative of quality, unless of course your are saying COD franchise is the best in the world since they have sales figures that make DAO look like a minor game from some backwater indie developer.

COD is one of the best games for the target audience. The COD franchise has a much larger audience than pretty much ANY other genre. DAO did very well with it's target audience, which is why it sold better than DA2, which did not do well with the target audience.

it was reported quite openly that more DLC for DAO was planned but was never finshed or started and theres nothing special about DAO UE its simply the core game and all DLC in one neat inclusive package I know this because I have it

The point is that they can actually sell DAO UE. They wouldn't be able to sell DA2 UE, because the demand simply isn't there.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

If I was to be pedantic DA2 actually has 4 DLC's Black Emporium,Legacy,MOTA and The Exiled Prince

Sure you can. It doesn't change the fact that no retailers going to take further products under DA 2 belt like Exalted March and  Ultimate Edition because, "The Next Thing" which is unknown is "better opportunity" to work on.  So do you mind stop being denial? I know it's hurt to know a product you like is scrapped due to no demand.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 06 juin 2012 - 02:07 .

[jbrand2002uk]

In any case selling a DA2 UE wouldnt make much sense with their only being 4 DLC's and after initial release BE started to ship with the core game in any case and DAO UE still sells however its at a fraction of its actual cost I got mine brand new £20 which here is bargin bin territory and that was from a large games retailer.

and Sacred several users on here saying they would have bought Exalted March blows you "No Demand" claim out of orbit, theres simply not sufficient demand for Exalted March to be financially viable

[wsandista]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

In any case selling a DA2 UE wouldnt make much sense with their only being 4 DLC's and after initial release BE started to ship with the core game in any case and DAO UE still sells however its at a fraction of its actual cost I got mine brand new £20 which here is bargin bin territory and that was from a large games retailer.

and Sacred several users on here saying they would have bought Exalted March blows you "No Demand" claim out of orbit, theres simply not sufficient demand for Exalted March to be financially viable

From Amazon
DAO(vanilla) is selling at $12.15
DA2 is selling at 8.49

UE's are generally bargain packages anyway you know.

Once again you really don't seem to be understanding the economics of the industry. There isn't sufficient demand for any DA2 DLC, no one here has never explicitly stated that there is NO demand.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

In any case selling a DA2 UE wouldnt make much sense with their only being 4 DLC's and after initial release BE started to ship with the core game in any case and DAO UE still sells however its at a fraction of its actual cost I got mine brand new £20 which here is bargin bin territory and that was from a large games retailer.

So, why only 4 DLCs and not more like ME 2 and DAO?  

jbrand2002uk wrote...

and Sacred several users on here saying they would have bought Exalted March blows you "No Demand" claim out of orbit, theres simply not sufficient demand for Exalted March to be financially viable

Don't twist on my words. You know exactly what I meant. Wishful demand has no value to determine price when it's not marketable.

[jbrand2002uk]

Really are you sure no one here said no demand  Ahem cough cough note section in bold

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

If I was to be pedantic DA2 actually has 4 DLC's Black Emporium,Legacy,MOTA and The Exiled Prince

Sure you can. It doesn't change the fact that no retailers going to take further products under DA 2 belt like Exalted March and  Ultimate Edition because, "The Next Thing" which is unknown is "better opportunity" to work on.  So do you mind stop being denial? I know it's hurt to know a product you like is scrapped due to no demand.

Now either Sacred forgot some very important words between No and Demand or his English is worse than my grammer 

[wsandista]

jbrand2002uk wrote...


Really are you sure no one here said no demand  Ahem cough cough note section in bold

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

If I was to be pedantic DA2 actually has 4 DLC's Black Emporium,Legacy,MOTA and The Exiled Prince

Sure you can. It doesn't change the fact that no retailers going to take further products under DA 2 belt like Exalted March and  Ultimate Edition because, "The Next Thing" which is unknown is "better opportunity" to work on.  So do you mind stop being denial? I know it's hurt to know a product you like is scrapped due to no demand.

Now either Sacred forgot some very important words between No and Demand or his English is worse than my grammer 

Not an explicit statement that there wold be NO demand is it? Did SF say there is absolutely zero demand? SF also makes many spelling and grammatical errors in his posts, but at least are legible. BTW it is grammar, not grammer.

BTW, everyone check this out

Looks like they found that DA3 troll video and thought it was legit.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Now either Sacred forgot some very important words between No and Demand or his English is worse than my grammer 

And I thought for one who study  economics like you there is no need to be crystal clear on the fundamental of economics. Or are you really that desperate?

My spelling and grammar happen because  my mind work faster than my hand could type. I try my best to do regular checking but I won't certainly waste two or three hours just to address short post.  You don't seem to have any problem so far. So don't pretend it's an  issue now. You could  ask or you could ignore my post entirely.  

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 06 juin 2012 - 03:12 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

wsandista wrote...
BTW, everyone check this out

Looks like they found that DA3 troll video and thought it was legit.

/Facepalm/

How on earth they don't realize it's the Witcher 2's cutscene? I don't play TW 2 and I still know it's from TW2. Are these journalist play games at all?

[batlin]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

In any case selling a DA2 UE wouldnt make much sense with their only being 4 DLC's and after initial release

I'm sorry but LOL

Dragon Age 2 has 30 separate DLCs available.

http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

Are you really going to say that isn't enough for an UE?

[wsandista]

batlin wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

In any case selling a DA2 UE wouldnt make much sense with their only being 4 DLC's and after initial release

I'm sorry but LOL

Dragon Age 2 has 30 separate DLCs available.

http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

Are you really going to say that isn't enough for an UE?

Well to be fair, DA2 has only 6 DLCs(2 of which are item-packs) that can be paid for, the rest are promotional crap.

Still that is enough for a UE though. The reason that there will be no DA2 UE is that there isn't enough demand for it, which is what all of the rational people have been saying(like SF, you, and I). Those who keep trying to justify why DA2 failed just keep getting more illogical.

[Danimal the Animal]

In my honest opinion, DA2 was not bad at all. Ill make some positives and negatives *from my  point of view, inb4 flame*
+Better faster paced action.
+Plot really surprised me.
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-Not half as much depth, I mean come on I can't even change how my party members look. Well, Drastically change.
-I felt like it was extremely linear, DA O might have been, but I didn't notice it.
-The depth, or lack of. *Yes I know I repeated depth*
-No sweet kill animations, I felt the game was a little TOO easy on normal mode.
-Game was obviously rushed, alot of the enviornments were bland and boring.
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Over all. DA:O a legit 10 imo, DA:2 was about a 7. Not bad, but not great.
DA3 I can hope they can put the same action of da2 to the role playing depth of DA:O. That would be a truely great game.
These are my thoughts and opinions, agree or disagree.

[eroeru]

^^ DA2 had action, DA:O had a strategy feel. Players who preferred Origins' combat by a large extent do exist, and in large number. And they're the type of player easily frustrated and dismayed by "Action conquering Strategy". Now, my question is, would you be fine with Origins' combat, and enjoy it, if it simply had more smooth combat, but not "action combat", nor very fast paced?

Sure it should have nice visuals (though not the candy-monster thing that's popular with other titles such as Guild Wars 2 etc), but the line where it becomes "action combat" will be VERY frustrating for many fans.

[jbrand2002uk]

in answer to eroeru's question the answer would be no because lack of smoothness was one of many problems with DAO's combat it was jerky and sluggish the party AI was appalling because even when you made sure via the tactics screen that your party members would not steal your XP by attacking the enemy you have targeted they would still attack your target stealing your xp.

The main problem is that the combat was painfully slow,as for the kill moves they're meh nothing more than a visual gimmick both TW2 and Skyrim does them better if they were to be included I would suggest the Developers look at the mod for Skyrim called "The Dance Of Death".
The biggest letdown is the enemy AI, even on the highest difficulty setting its no challenge at all so its still a button masher just a very boring slow paced one.

[AkiKishi]

wsandista wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...


Really are you sure no one here said no demand  Ahem cough cough note section in bold

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

If I was to be pedantic DA2 actually has 4 DLC's Black Emporium,Legacy,MOTA and The Exiled Prince

Sure you can. It doesn't change the fact that no retailers going to take further products under DA 2 belt like Exalted March and  Ultimate Edition because, "The Next Thing" which is unknown is "better opportunity" to work on.  So do you mind stop being denial? I know it's hurt to know a product you like is scrapped due to no demand.

Now either Sacred forgot some very important words between No and Demand or his English is worse than my grammer 

Not an explicit statement that there wold be NO demand is it? Did SF say there is absolutely zero demand? SF also makes many spelling and grammatical errors in his posts, but at least are legible. BTW it is grammar, not grammer.

BTW, everyone check this out

Looks like they found that DA3 troll video and thought it was legit.

Gaming journalism at its best.....

[eroeru]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

in answer to eroeru's question the answer would be no because lack of smoothness was one of many problems with DAO's combat it was jerky and sluggish the party AI was appalling because even when you made sure via the tactics screen that your party members would not steal your XP by attacking the enemy you have targeted they would still attack your target stealing your xp.

The main problem is that the combat was painfully slow,as for the kill moves they're meh nothing more than a visual gimmick both TW2 and Skyrim does them better if they were to be included I would suggest the Developers look at the mod for Skyrim called "The Dance Of Death".
The biggest letdown is the enemy AI, even on the highest difficulty setting its no challenge at all so its still a button masher just a very boring slow paced one.

1st off, have you even played the game? Your main won't get (significantly) less XP if another party member slays the enemy (if my memory serves, you get maybe a FEW less XP). Besides, if you want party members not involved, and think it easy, you should just go solo. 
But you're outright lying (to yourself?) if you say it was easier than DA2, or easy at all. You actually had to think. Thus it was no button smasher (like DA2 was).

Though I agree that tactics could be better, they were as bad in DA2, I myself would say worse. At least on the PC, that is.

But I must say, you're a very exceptional one on these forums , so I'm still looking for answers to my question. 

[Case]

I didn't think your companions could steal your XP because it was divided equally among your party?

Anyway I was thinking about buying a second copy of DA:O for my PC (own on xbox) recently as it's one of my favorite games of ALL time and decided to post this description from Steam along with some of my own comments.



From the maker of Mass Effect and Baldur’s Gate comes the dark fantasy epic Dragon Age: Origins. You are a Grey Warden, one of the last of a legendary order of guardians. With the return of an ancient foe and the kingdom engulfed in civil war, you have been chosen by fate to unite the shattered lands and slay the archdemon once and for...
Genre: RPG
“Dragon Age is the RPG of the decade.”
94/100 – PC Gamer UK

“One of the most addictive and expansive RPGs of its kind!”
9/10 – Game Informer
-Agree with everything here, (except not giving it a 10/10.)

About the Game

A Stunning World to Explore

    BioWare’s deepest universe to date with over 80 hours of gameplay and more than double the size and scope of Mass Effect

   Travel throughout dozens of environments and fully immerse yourself in a shattered world that is on the brink of utter annihilation
    An epic story that is completely shaped and reactive to your play style

-Couldn't agree with part more, it truly felt epic and my first playthrough was close to 70 hours or so. Since then I have done at least 2 more complete playthroughs and did every origin possible, for close to 200 hours of gameplay. DA2 didn't feel epic to me at all, and as we all know the environments were rehashed so many times that it completely took you out of the game and got frustrating.
-It was one of the few games where I did feel like I could do almost anything I wanted through the dialogue options and different ways to playthrough an obstacle (that of course leads to repeat plays as I want to see how things resolve when done differently. I actually felt like my deciscions mattered and impacted the game. For instance the Arl of Redcliffe, depending on how you handled Jowan you could have him assist with the blood ritual, use lady isolde to power the ritual, kill connor outright, go to the circle tower for more mages, have different people enter the fade. So many different options it was incredible. I felt DA2 didn't have that and my choices just ended up in one sentence of different dialogue and the outcome was going to be the same.


Complex Moral Choices

    There are no easy choices
    Tailor your Dragon Age: Origins experience from the very beginning by choose from six different Origin Stories
    Decide how to handle complex issues like murder, genocide, betrayal, and the possession/sacrificing of children without the security of a good/bad slider to tell you what to do
-I absolutely hate the ME dialogue wheel in DA2 but I guess it is here to stay. I felt like it completely limited my Role playing instead of enhancing it. I felt like I only got 3 choices, direct, snarky, or goody. I much preferred how Origins did it, letting me see exactly what the character would say and letting my brain fill in the rest. I was able to really get into my character, while with Hawke I felt I was playing as someone else's character instead of MINE.

Full Character Customization

    Sculpt your hero in your own image or fantasy
    Elaborate character creator allows you to create your own hero unique from anyone else
    Shape your character’s personality and morality based on the choices you make throughout the game
-I loved the Origin stories and how they added flavor throughout the game, and of course add to repeat playthroughs. I hate having a cannon character just so you can have voice acting. In Origins I actually could determine what my character would say while in DA2 I had to guess at what my character would say and sometimes what was voice acted felt completely different than the snippet of dialogue you chose.


Engage in Bone-Crushing, Visceral Combat

    Battle against massive and terrifying creatures
    Unleash legendary powers and choose from over 100 different magical spells and skills
    Experience the adrenaline rush of brutal combat, beheading your foes or casting spells that make enemies explode from within
-They had large creatures in DA2 but got rid of the finishing animations which were excellently done in Origins. The spells in DA2 were great, but I disliked how the spell tree system limited which paths you could take and felt like you were forced into making preset character paths. I actually felt Origins had a little variety on how your characters skills/spells could turn out but I haven't played DA2 that much so might be wrong.
-The combat in DA2 was ridiculously fast, even the 2Hers moved with lightning speed, it made me feel like I was playing god of war instead of a strategy RPG. I'm not saying I everything about the speed of Origins, but it needed minor tweaking in My opinion not a complete overhaul like what was done in DA2. Rogues should be fast, but they felt cartoonishly fast, and just made the game feel like a bad anime battle to me. I didn't feel the need to use any kind of tactic or strategy in DA2 where in origins I would constantly be pausing combat devising strategy and switching between my characters to implement it. Playing on hard on nightmare in Origins it was mandatory to pause and think about how you were going to approach a battle. In DA2 even on hard I felt like all I had to do was hit the 'A' button and never felt a need to take control on companions. I know the difficulty might have turned some people off to Origins but there are ways around that rather than dumbing down the game/combat.

Anyway I am rambling. I guess I've been thinking about how much I loved Origins recently since I've been playing through it was a friend of mine who has never experienced it before. Of course after putting in a few hours he is BLOWN away by the complexity of it, and how amazing the game is. We've already put in like 30 hours together and aren't even close to beating it. He's asked me about DA2 and I tell him my personal opinion, that it feels like a rushed game that was dumbed down to appeal to a wider audience. Appealing to a wider audience isn't inherently a  bad deciscion, of course we want the game to make money for the people who created it! But by changing the Original game in such drastic ways and calling it a sequel felt misleading to me.

I'm scared for the franchise when I hear things like they have already taken all the things they liked about Origins and put it into DA2 because it makes me think the game is going to be further from the game I love and more like DA2 which seems to be enjoyed less by most people. That's my rant for now. After my friend and I go through origins and then awakening (which btw is awesome. Perfect expansion for the game. New companions, new skills/specializations, interesting story. Overall seems like they really put some love into it and it was a fitting addition to the series) and why oh why couldn't DA2 been more like Awakening, with maybe a little bit of the faster pace of combat, but just a tweak with more fluid animations and not the crazy lightning movements, exploding corpses which made me feel like I was playing a totally different game (and not in a good way). I guess I can always think of Awakening as DA2 and wait until DA3 to see how they address feedback from fans of the series.

Modifié par Case, 06 juin 2012 - 04:15 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

eroeru wrote...
^^ DA2 had action, DA:O had a strategy feel. Players who preferred Origins' combat by a large extent do exist, and in large number. And they're the type of player easily frustrated and dismayed by "Action conquering Strategy". Now, my question is, would you be fine with Origins' combat, and enjoy it, if it simply had more smooth combat, but not "action combat", nor very fast paced?

Sure it should have nice visuals (though not the candy-monster thing that's popular with other titles such as Guild Wars 2 etc), but the line where it becomes "action combat" will be VERY frustrating for many fans.

I'm fine with both combats. The only 3 things that disturb me in DA 2. 

1. ) The blood and explosion body block my camera view.  
2. ) Rogue backstabbing disorient my camera view and I quickly loose focus.
3. ) Ambush from behind and top render strategic positioning impossible. 

I'm hardcore strategy player. I would like strategic planning and maneuver on world scale level with logistic management in DA 3. But I doubt many people would find it appealing. 

I'm not into tactical level in RPG. The last tactical element I enjoy are from classic games like Xcom: Enemy Unknown and Jagged Alliance. Nowdays, I mostly play tactical maneuver and flanking in FPS with my squads. Something cannot be done in RPG because lack of challenge of first person view camera.   

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 06 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

DAO was a terrible game. It sold like 10 million copies, but people were so disappointed, very few bought DA2.

DA2 is the way to go in the future. DA2 is the right direction. There's just some bumps that need to be ironed out, that's all. I trust BioWare to do that.

[eroeru]

^^ Not sure if serious.

[Melca36]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

DAO was a terrible game. It sold like 10 million copies, but people were so disappointed, very few bought DA2.

DA2 is the way to go in the future. DA2 is the right direction. There's just some bumps that need to be ironed out, that's all. I trust BioWare to do that.

So having over a dozen FedEx quests is the wave of the future?

[Melca36]

eroeru wrote...

^^ Not sure if serious.

Alot of people are in serious denial about the game.

I didnt hate DA:2 like some people did. It was good but not memorable.  I hate to see how these people react when DA:2 gets blasted in the press they way Origins did when the next game comes out.

[HiroVoid]

Melca36 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ Not sure if serious.

Alot of people are in serious denial about the game.

I didnt hate DA:2 like some people did. It was good but not memorable.  I hate to see how these people react when DA:2 gets blasted in the press they way Origins did when the next game comes out.

Pfft.  Who needs Dragon Age 2?  It was just about some guy in a cramped city.  It's all out war in Dragon Age 3!  Best place to jump in!!!

[Melca36]

HiroVoid wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ Not sure if serious.

Alot of people are in serious denial about the game.

I didnt hate DA:2 like some people did. It was good but not memorable.  I hate to see how these people react when DA:2 gets blasted in the press they way Origins did when the next game comes out.

Pfft.  Who needs Dragon Age 2?  It was just about some guy in a cramped city.  It's all out war in Dragon Age 3!  Best place to jump in!!!

And hopefully it will be truly epic.   And hopefully we will never see a lame lightsaber battle like we did with Meredith and her magic sword.

I will always stand by my belief that ACT 2 with Qunari/Arishok was the best part of the game though. ACT 3 was lamest.

Modifié par Melca36, 06 juin 2012 - 05:34 .