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[batlin]

hero 2 wrote...

This seems somewhat harsh. You can easily make one of these for DA:O. I believe the hate machine is unjustly steamrollering DA2.

If you really wanted to, you could start with the godfather of the stereotype: http://tvtropes.org/...ionsOfFolktales 

Oghren: http://tvtropes.org/...ain/BloodKnight
Alistair: http://tvtropes.org/...ightInSourArmor
Morrigan: http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/IceQueen
Wynne: http://tvtropes.org/...n/OlderSidekick
Zevran: http://tvtropes.org/...nchClockVillain
Leliana: http://tvtropes.org/...itmanWithAHeart
Sten: http://tvtropes.org/...enEnemyMinority

A character having an archetype is not the same as a character being shallow and/or stupid and/or one-note. For instance, Zevran is more than an off-again villain. Anders? every other conversation you have with him is "oh, mages are soooo oppressed, something needs to be done!" Isabela is pretty much a walking **** joke. Zevran too was raunchy, but there was quite a bit more to his character than just that.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Nyoka wrote...


Lesson learned...?

For a long time, certain people were saying "We want female characters to walk like women!"

And I said "No, you don't want EAware to do that, they're a Hollywood company, you'll get some flouncy or ****ty strut with hips all over the place and arms held like a giggling bikini girl."

Oh look at what we got in DA2 -- even the hardened warrior Avaline runs around in her plate armor like she's going to get her nails done in Beverly Hills.

[batlin]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Nyoka wrote...


Lesson learned...?

For a long time, certain people were saying "We want female characters to walk like women!"

And I said "No, you don't want EAware to do that, they're a Hollywood company, you'll get some flouncy or ****ty strut with hips all over the place and arms held like a giggling bikini girl."

Oh look at what we got in DA2 -- even the hardened warrior Avaline runs around in her plate armor like she's going to get her nails done in Beverly Hills.

Indeed.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Nyoka wrote...


Lesson learned...?

I remember that

[coles4971]

I thought the female run in DA:O was fine. Then again I'm a bloke, so what do I know, lol.

[Renmiri1]

coles4971 wrote...

I thought the female run in DA:O was fine. Then again I'm a bloke, so what do I know, lol.

I'm a gal and I like it.

The male run is a bit weird. Every time I am "driving" one of my male NPCs it breaks my immersion.. doesn't seem natural.

[mademan2]

I dont know if Bioware would acknowledge it, but i think do hope so
From what i have observed, the less of an RPG games fans liked DA II more than those who are "hardcore" RPG players.
I loved both of those games, DA universe have unique feel and rich lore which makes those games great, but my hear always goes with DA:O. As much as i like DA II i love DA:O ten times more and everything that was done in DA II was only a set back in comparison (yes, even combat was less entertaining for me) Maybe except the interupts for each Hawke personality, as few as they were, because it remided me of paragon and renegade interrupts which are awesome usually
I do hope that Bioware knows it
As to the sales, iv ready on some of first few pages, DA II sold less copies because it was simply worse, and not because people disliked DA:O in fact DA:O was one of the best selling RPG games ever and you can look that up on Wikipedia. And as it was first in its settings, that says something. If DA II wasnt DA games i probably would not have bought it.

[Linksys17]

DA2 dumbed down and removed too many tactical and customization mechanices. I also hate the over the top rediculous combat animations. People obviously like da2 but I just dont understand how you can even come close to comparing it to the level of control and sense of epicness that DOA boasted.... Honestly when I played Da2 I had trouble keeping my interest in it it was just such a failure, even as a standalone title..

[LeBurns]

Linksys17 wrote...

DA2 dumbed down and removed too many tactical and customization mechanices. I also hate the over the top rediculous combat animations. People obviously like da2 but I just dont understand how you can even come close to comparing it to the level of control and sense of epicness that DOA boasted.... Honestly when I played Da2 I had trouble keeping my interest in it it was just such a failure, even as a standalone title..

I have to agree with this.  Luckily I played the Demo and learned right away that the realistic gritty combat that loved in DAO was replaced with Super Flying Ninja Space Monkeys.  No thank you.  Add to that the barrien enviroments, waves of mods, etc.  Granted if I had bought the game I would have had more to hate, but the Demo gave me enough to save my $60.

The problem is Mike likes it.  And if he likes it and he is still in charge of DA3 we will get more of the same.  Anything as epic as DAO will have to be made by someone else now.

Modifié par LeBurns, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:05 .

[Linksys17]

LeBurns wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

DA2 dumbed down and removed too many tactical and customization mechanices. I also hate the over the top rediculous combat animations. People obviously like da2 but I just dont understand how you can even come close to comparing it to the level of control and sense of epicness that DOA boasted.... Honestly when I played Da2 I had trouble keeping my interest in it it was just such a failure, even as a standalone title..

I have to agree with this.  Luckily I played the Demo and learned right away that the realistic gritty combat that loved in DAO was replaced with Super Flying Ninja Space Monkeys.  No thank you.  Add to that the barrien enviroments, waves of mods, etc.  Granted if I had bought the game I would have had more to hate, but the Demo gave me enough to save my $60.

The problem is Mike likes it.  And if he likes it and he is still in charge of DA3 we will get more of the same.  Anything as epic as DAO will have to be made by someone else now.

Yeah but then again this seems to be a common theme for Bioware lately i mean ME2 trashed the inventory system of ME1, ME3 trashed dialog choices, and Dragon age 2 seems like DOA was gutted and filled with Final Fantasy and Mass Effect stuffing....  I wouldnt be surprised at all if DA3 is geared towards the same path as DA2 Bioware is more concerned with graphics and action then player agency and control, so sad.... at least Bethesda isn't making an Elder Scrolls MMORPG or something to appeal to wow fans just like Bioware is trying to appeal to GOW fans.... OH ****!!!!!!


lol but on a serious note: why can't developers just stop taking mechanics that made other games popular and adding them to their games.  When I play Gears of War I am expecting over the top gory nonsensicle violence because that is what the game is to it's core.  When I play Dragon age I expect a deep RPG experience that lets me explore various environments and customize how I interact with people or fight them.  I didn't ask for my characters to jump around like in FF if I wanted that Ill just replay Squaresoft er..cough Square Enix games....

[Melca36]

LeBurns wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

DA2 dumbed down and removed too many tactical and customization mechanices. I also hate the over the top rediculous combat animations. People obviously like da2 but I just dont understand how you can even come close to comparing it to the level of control and sense of epicness that DOA boasted.... Honestly when I played Da2 I had trouble keeping my interest in it it was just such a failure, even as a standalone title..

I have to agree with this.  Luckily I played the Demo and learned right away that the realistic gritty combat that loved in DAO was replaced with Super Flying Ninja Space Monkeys.  No thank you.  Add to that the barrien enviroments, waves of mods, etc.  Granted if I had bought the game I would have had more to hate, but the Demo gave me enough to save my $60.

The problem is Mike likes it.  And if he likes it and he is still in charge of DA3 we will get more of the same.  Anything as epic as DAO will have to be made by someone else now.

Actually the developers have acknpwledged missteps with DA:2 and admitted they could have done some things better.

[MichaelStuart]

Nyoka wrote...

Hawke on the other hand I had to give her the male animation so she's not a victoria's secret model.

Same here

Modifié par MichaelStuart, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Renmiri1]

Tehehehe.. Right on cue, another poster complaining DA2 changed what DAO did.

Calling the Dragon Age series repetition of the same game over and over is completely preposterous. Just read the posts above mine to see how butthurt some fans are that Bioware DIDN'T repeat DAO.

[jbrand2002uk]

LeBurns wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

DA2 dumbed down and removed too many tactical and customization mechanices. I also hate the over the top rediculous combat animations. People obviously like da2 but I just dont understand how you can even come close to comparing it to the level of control and sense of epicness that DOA boasted.... Honestly when I played Da2 I had trouble keeping my interest in it it was just such a failure, even as a standalone title..

I have to agree with this.  Luckily I played the Demo and learned right away that the realistic gritty combat that loved in DAO was replaced with Super Flying Ninja Space Monkeys.  No thank you.  Add to that the barrien enviroments, waves of mods, etc.  Granted if I had bought the game I would have had more to hate, but the Demo gave me enough to save my $60.

The problem is Mike likes it.  And if he likes it and he is still in charge of DA3 we will get more of the same.  Anything as epic as DAO will have to be made by someone else now.

And there I was going to invite you two to my super cool party with copious amouts of alcahol and strippers and stuff........ but your clearly to dull to be any fun 

[SpunkyMonkey]

Faerunner wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

DA2 dumbed down and removed too many tactical and customization mechanices. I also hate the over the top rediculous combat animations. People obviously like da2 but I just dont understand how you can even come close to comparing it to the level of control and sense of epicness that DOA boasted.... Honestly when I played Da2 I had trouble keeping my interest in it it was just such a failure, even as a standalone title..

I have to agree with this.  Luckily I played the Demo and learned right away that the realistic gritty combat that loved in DAO was replaced with Super Flying Ninja Space Monkeys.  No thank you.  Add to that the barrien enviroments, waves of mods, etc.  Granted if I had bought the game I would have had more to hate, but the Demo gave me enough to save my $60.

The problem is Mike likes it.  And if he likes it and he is still in charge of DA3 we will get more of the same.  Anything as epic as DAO will have to be made by someone else now.

Actually the developers have acknpwledged missteps with DA:2 and admitted they could have done some things better.

And the things they "could have done better" are things they happen to like and intend to keep anyway.

Serioiusly, every time the devs talk about DA3, they just reveal more features that they intend to keep from DA2. They're going to keep the voiced protagonist, the dialogue wheel and paraphrasing (which I know was not that popular even among people who actually like DA2), the new aesthetics, the new race designs, the new combat (albeit a little more slowed), the mandatory custom armor for companions; they aren't going to bring back origins (just the "pick your background" button a la Mass Effect), it doesn't look like they're going to bring back race options, they're going to keep moving further away from the "epic high fantasy" feel of the first game to the more mundane "low fantasy" feel that they started for the second, and so on and so forth.

Those who want DAO2 are out of luck as the devs have made it clear they just want to make DA2.5.

You have any links you could post regards confirmation of what they've confirmed for DA:3 pls?

[EricHVela]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Those who want DAO2 are out of luck as the devs have made it clear they just want to make DA2.5.

You have any links you could post regards confirmation of what they've confirmed for DA:3 pls?

I, too, would like to see these links. The stuff I see on Twitter and on here seem rather non-committal to their intentions. That's not proving anything other than them not being forth-coming with detailed info.

The only accusations I see come from blogs and articles that are just guessing what will happen. (My signature is a perfect example.)

[Linksys17]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

DA2 dumbed down and removed too many tactical and customization mechanices. I also hate the over the top rediculous combat animations. People obviously like da2 but I just dont understand how you can even come close to comparing it to the level of control and sense of epicness that DOA boasted.... Honestly when I played Da2 I had trouble keeping my interest in it it was just such a failure, even as a standalone title..

I have to agree with this.  Luckily I played the Demo and learned right away that the realistic gritty combat that loved in DAO was replaced with Super Flying Ninja Space Monkeys.  No thank you.  Add to that the barrien enviroments, waves of mods, etc.  Granted if I had bought the game I would have had more to hate, but the Demo gave me enough to save my $60.

The problem is Mike likes it.  And if he likes it and he is still in charge of DA3 we will get more of the same.  Anything as epic as DAO will have to be made by someone else now.

And there I was going to invite you two to my super cool party with copious amouts of alcahol and strippers and stuff........ but your clearly to dull to be any fun 

Now that is a marketing plan for Bioware; enjoy a streamlined bland misleading RPG and you will be invited tosuper cool parties with copious amounts of alchohol and strippers!

I am too dull because I expressed my dislike for DA2... Ok 

@ your party -_--_-

[Linksys17]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Tehehehe.. Right on cue, another poster complaining DA2 changed what DAO did.

Calling the Dragon Age series repetition of the same game over and over is completely preposterous. Just read the posts above mine to see how butthurt some fans are that Bioware DIDN'T repeat DAO.

And you are butthurt that people are posting critisism for DA2 in a thread with the title of

"Is it at least accepted that DA2 went the wrong direction?"

Why not voice what DA2 did right (to bolster your position) in your post instead of making fun of people who post what mechanics/change in narrative made them disappointed with DA2.......<3

Modifié par Linksys17, 13 septembre 2012 - 10:28 .

[Renmiri1]

Linksys17 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Tehehehe.. Right on cue, another poster complaining DA2 changed what DAO did.

Calling the Dragon Age series repetition of the same game over and over is completely preposterous. Just read the posts above mine to see how butthurt some fans are that Bioware DIDN'T repeat DAO.

And you are butthurt that people are posting critisism for DA2 in a thread with the title of

"Is it at least accepted that DA2 went the wrong direction?"

Why not voice what DA2 did right (to bolster your position) in your post instead of making fun of people who post what mechanics/change in narrative made them disappointed with DA2.......<3

I was actually making fun of a poster who said both games are identical. 

[Linksys17]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Tehehehe.. Right on cue, another poster complaining DA2 changed what DAO did.

Calling the Dragon Age series repetition of the same game over and over is completely preposterous. Just read the posts above mine to see how butthurt some fans are that Bioware DIDN'T repeat DAO.

And you are butthurt that people are posting critisism for DA2 in a thread with the title of

"Is it at least accepted that DA2 went the wrong direction?"

Why not voice what DA2 did right (to bolster your position) in your post instead of making fun of people who post what mechanics/change in narrative made them disappointed with DA2.......<3

I was actually making fun of a poster who said both games are identical. 

misunderstood I am sorry just venting because I saw the pax Dragon age interview were the devs said they will be going with a voiced protaganist my butt hurts even more now...........

[Beerfish]

DA2 went wrong in a few areas of he game but got things very right in the areas that BioWare has always hung their hat on, that being the companions.