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[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

fropas wrote...

Odd because the same people who want to censor ME, may also, want Michelangelo's statue censored as well. . .

People should be free to portray nudity no matter the medium.

And they are. But I reserve the right to laugh at them if it's awkward. (Which it tends to be in video games.)

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 03 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[fropas]

I support your right to laugh Dave!

Modifié par fropas, 03 mars 2012 - 10:38 .

[Pee Jae]

Well, to bottomline it, I think Bioware could have done more with it, because it is an M rated game. See Dante's Inferno (I mean the tasteful bits, not Cleopatra's er yeah), Heavy Rain, God of War (the scenes themselves aren't really tasteful, but the nudity is)...

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Sparatus wrote...

Please don't compare Michelangeo's David to Mass Effect.

Also this.

[fropas]

Sparatus wrote...

Please don't compare Michelangeo's David to Mass Effect.

Can I still compare the people who want to censor ME to people who want to censor Michelangelo's David?

[slimgrin]

Sparatus wrote...

Please don't compare Michelangeo's David to Mass Effect.

I was going to cite Michelangelo, first gazing upon Giotto's work - his childhood hero - and looking at that single nude in the baptism. What if he said, "That's a disaster, the anatomy is way off...no hope for this nude sculpture stuff, I'm putting David in a bath robe."

Modifié par slimgrin, 03 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[Frolk]

I think Mass Effect had decent sex scenes. Mass Effect 2 was okay - the whole fade-to-black thing doesn't bother me.

But what I can't stand is the Dragon Age style sex scenes where you have two people grinding against each other in their underwear. It's like Bioware is trying to meet the prudes half-way, and it just ends up looking silly.

[slimgrin]

Sparatus wrote...

Stop looking at David's weiner

Also there is a difference between the nudity of David and the nudity of the romances. David is not meant in anyway to be sexual. While the two videogame characters grinding on each other is. 

Many historians think Michelangelo was likely gay, and when you see his sculptures, and the sistine ceiling in that light...sorry, I think he very much meant them to be erotic.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Sparatus wrote...

David is not meant in anyway to be sexual.

I wouldn't go quite that far - Michaelangelo was probably gay (we think this in part because many of his contemporaries thought this), and he was definitely working in a greco-roman tradition that had sexual undertones/overtones re: naked dudes.

That said, the sexual aspects are about the least interesting thing about that statue. I'm not sure you can say there's anyting interesting at all about the average Bioware sex scene 

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 03 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[fropas]

Sparatus wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Many historians think Michelangelo was likely gay, and when you see his sculptures, and the sistine ceiling in that light...sorry, I think he very much meant them to be erotic.

Historians think everyone was gay.

Spartarus thinks artists are not gay? or not sexually aroused by male nudity--therefore its "art"? 

[slimgrin]

Sparatus wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Many historians think Michelangelo was likely gay, and when you see his sculptures, and the sistine ceiling in that light...sorry, I think he very much meant them to be erotic.

Historians think everyone was gay.

It was popular that time in Italy. Da-Vinci was definitely gay. Don't wan't to crush your heroes or anything but if you research this stuff, you can't avoid it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 03 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[RamirezWolfen]

Also Assassin's Creed.

[fropas]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

David is not meant in anyway to be sexual.

I wouldn't go quite that far - Michaelangelo was probably gay (we think this in part because many of his contemporaries thought this), and he was definitely working in a greco-roman tradition that had sexual undertones/overtones re: naked dudes.

That said, the sexual aspects are about the least interesting thing about that statue. I'm not sure you can say there's anyting interesting at all about the average Bioware sex scene 

Well it's very interesting from an anthropological view: As an Anthropologist I can make the observation, that in the future people enjoy having sex with their underwear on. That's very interesting .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Sparatus wrote...

Oh, boy. I just derailed the thread about videogame nudity didn't I?

Hey, man, discussing sexuality in Renaissance art >>> discussing 2 minutes of polygons humping, IMO 

[Arrtis]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Oh, boy. I just derailed the thread about videogame nudity didn't I?

Hey, man, discussing sexuality in Renaissance art >>> discussing 2 minutes of polygons humping, IMO 

Dave likes 2D over 3D.

[AgitatedLemon]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Oh, boy. I just derailed the thread about videogame nudity didn't I?

Hey, man, discussing sexuality in Renaissance art >>> discussing 2 minutes of polygons humping, IMO 

"My fictional sex is better than your fictional sex"?

The hypocrisy is rampant in this one.

[ZLurps]

I'm not going to debate about Michelangelo's sexual orientation, but Sparatus brought up a good point.

Nudity isn't as much a problem as other things. What comes to ME2 sex scenes, I haven't experienced them myself, just seen some screen caps. However I would like to repeat what I said earlier.
The way ME2 team chose to implement sex scenes might have nothing to do with Fox News controversy but with time, money or disc space budget, because there were so many romancable characters in ME2 in comparison to ME1. I guess we will never know, but that's my theory.

One way to approach sex scenes is pondering the limitations of the media. Games are visual and we can't deliver emotions like longing, love, lust and other things, like touch. We can't make long descriptions of them, games are not books so we have visual presentation, voice acting, music for mood.

In the other hand, how much is tasteful to show? Where is the point where visual presentation turns from portraying emotions and human interaction to exploitation or porn?

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Oh, boy. I just derailed the thread about videogame nudity didn't I?

Hey, man, discussing sexuality in Renaissance art >>> discussing 2 minutes of polygons humping, IMO 

"My fictional sex is better than your fictional sex"?

The hypocrisy is rampant in this one.

David = the product of a probably gay historical figure living in a homophobic society and working in a homoerotic tradition. Much more interesting than a simple replication of the tropes a society uses to depict sex, IMO. (And, as before, the sex angle isn't the most interesting thing about that sculpture, by a long shot.)

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 03 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[chengthao]

sex is bad but violence is ok?