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[RamirezWolfen]

DifferentD17 wrote...

....but they are our Shepards, they let us make our own Shepards.

But within their story. They provide the foundation and design, we just build upon it.

EDIT: grammar

Modifié par RamirezWolfen, 03 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Joescrab]

I_Jedi wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Every single source that's played through the game and EXPERIENCED the endings instead of simply reading them has praised the end... I'll take their word over some of the mindless people here any day

Have you considered playing DA2?

Loved DA1, couldn't really get into DA2

[I_Jedi]

Joescrab wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Every single source that's played through the game and EXPERIENCED the endings instead of simply reading them has praised the end... I'll take their word over some of the mindless people here any day

Have you considered playing DA2?

Loved DA1, couldn't really get into DA2

What if ME3 is like DA2 and the reviewers were paid by EA to make good reviews?

[gearseffect]

shepard1038 wrote...

This is not the first time the BSN has critized something that they haven't played.

As a newer member here when did that happen? And what game was it could please share with me?

[wirelesstkd]

In real life, if you go in to a life or death situation you don't get to "choose" if you live. You make the best choices and hope that your survive. But you may not. Even if everything goes the best that it could have.

You're choices aren't taken away, it just turns out that it was a no win situation.

[Joescrab]

I_Jedi wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Every single source that's played through the game and EXPERIENCED the endings instead of simply reading them has praised the end... I'll take their word over some of the mindless people here any day

Have you considered playing DA2?

Loved DA1, couldn't really get into DA2

What if ME3 is like DA2 and the reviewers were paid by EA to make good reviews?

Well then I'll make my own informed decision after experiencing the game myself and not throw myself into a coma by raging over something completely out of context... Crazy idea, right?

[N7Gold]

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's game, not yours. This is Bioware's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

Chill dude. There's a possibility everyone here was trolled. Chances are the guys who leaked the endings aren't being completely honest with us. You can't blame everyone for freaking out that no matter how hard they try, their most beloved characters can't get a decent ending.

[MythicLegands]

wirelesstkd wrote...

In real life, if you go in to a life or death situation you don't get to "choose" if you live. You make the best choices and hope that your survive. But you may not. Even if everything goes the best that it could have.

You're choices aren't taken away, it just turns out that it was a no win situation.

But ME3 is a fictional story that allows them to do anything, but Bioware thought THAT would be a good ending.

[Joescrab]

N7Gold wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's game, not yours. This is Bioware's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

Chill dude. There's a possibility everyone here was trolled. Chances are the guys who leaked the endings aren't being completely honest with us. You can't blame everyone for freaking out that no matter how hard they try, their most beloved characters can't get a decent ending.

Honesly I am very chill... I'll admit, I was slightly upset over the fact that my Shep doesn't get a happy ending with my LI/bro Garrus, but I'm very appreciative for what Bioware is doing here

[Witty_Remark]

wirelesstkd wrote...

In real life, if you go in to a life or death situation you don't get to "choose" if you live. You make the best choices and hope that your survive. But you may not. Even if everything goes the best that it could have.

You're choices aren't taken away, it just turns out that it was a no win situation.

I understand the point you made, and it's a very valid one.

I don't agree that it's a very steady leg to stand on for a video game though, especially one where the development team constantly said they were changing things based on player feedback. Unless we're branching into "ME is art, not entertainment" in which case I agree with you 100%.

For its artistic integrity, Mass Effect sells a beautifully dark ending and great story. I would adore it as a movie or novel.

Not so much as a game feeding me false hope that I can change the outcome when I can't.

[shepard1038]

I_Jedi wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Every single source that's played through the game and EXPERIENCED the endings instead of simply reading them has praised the end... I'll take their word over some of the mindless people here any day

Have you considered playing DA2?

Loved DA1, couldn't really get into DA2

What if ME3 is like DA2 and the reviewers were paid by EA to make good reviews?

What if me3 is good and you just wait and shut up?

[DifferentD17]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

....but they are our Shepards, they let us make our own Shepards.

But within their story. They provide the foundation and design, we just build upon it.

EDIT: grammar

....but then they take away what we built.

[MakeMineMako]

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's  EA's game, not yours. This is Bioware's  EA's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way EA's Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

Fixed it for you. It's Electronic Arts franchise now. They own Bioware and the associated intellectual properties.

And it shows, judging from the half-assed storytelling and writing that gave us these cop-out, unrewarding endings in ME3. At least ME2 had plenty of the old Bioware there in the story and it's execution (including the results of Shepard's mission). It wasn't perfect. Hell, it wasn't quiet as good as ME1 in that category. But it came pretty damned close in my opinion.

It's almost like they're trying to pull a Kawamori with Shepard and Co. (If you are a Macross fan, you'll know what I'm talking about).

But this is just my opinion. Others will differ.

[Xilizhra]

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's game, not yours. This is Bioware's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

If Bioware doesn't want us to complain about this, they can shut the forums down. Until then, I take it as a sign that they'll allow us to say what we want about this frankly putrid idea. And so we will.

[dw99027]

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's game, not yours. This is Bioware's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

[jellobell]

Aesieru wrote...

A lot of people have gotten too attached to their personal character that is merely a part of the plot and story, not the entire plot.

But one of the the goals of Mass Effect, of any Bioware game really, is to create characters that the player forms an emotional attachment to. That's what they do best, and with Mass Effect they've obviously succeeded. The ending to ME3 goes against everything that the series has placed importance on in the past; the characters and the choices that the player makes as Commander Shepard. The ending leaves no room for choice and the characters are marooned with no follow-up on what happens to them. People feel betrayed and rightly so.

If Bioware wanted the players to care more about the nameless faceless masses or the overall story rather than their crew then they should've emphasized that more. Instead, what people are most attached to are the characters which is the single most unsatisfying aspect of the ending.

Modifié par jellobell, 03 mars 2012 - 05:26 .

[Xilizhra]

Every single source that's played through the game and EXPERIENCED the endings instead of simply reading them has praised the end... I'll take their word over some of the mindless people here any day

They may do so. For me, there's no possible reason or explanation that could make this anything less than a hideous waste of time.

[Nathan Redgrave]

While I'm happy with what I know of the game, the fact that it is BioWare's creation does not change the fact that they are making said creation for the purpose of SELLING it to their CUSTOMERS. Customers can and should express displeasure where applicable.

I only ask that said displeasure be as reasonable, and level-headed, as any given individual is capable of making it.

[RamirezWolfen]

DifferentD17 wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

....but they are our Shepards, they let us make our own Shepards.

But within their story. They provide the foundation and design, we just build upon it.

EDIT: grammar

....but then they take away what we built.

Maybe not. Maybe a lot of people just thought differently than what Bioware was going for. So did they take away? No, they just had a different idea than us, and we didn't see it.

[Siegdrifa]

Joescrab wrote...

Because no story has ever sounded stupid just from the endings...

Guess what? Frankenstien is a stupid story because all I know is that Franky and his monster die in the end! WTF WHAT A STUPID STORY NO ONE LIVES OMG

You have to understand the context in which these ending occur, because I can promise you Bioware isn't going to leave you high and dry

Exept that it's a book, not an interactive story... and Frankeinstein is not story about monster, it's a social segregation story based on apparance and difference, sadly only the "monster part" seems to matter...

There are great oeuvre with sad ending, not doubt they are well made and woth it.

Fact is, i don't care how awsome Hotaru no Haka was, i saw it once because it is an amazing movie and i'll praise it whenever somebody ask me about it, but i won't ever need to see it another time, NEVER !
Same for Frankenstien, i read it once, it's enough for me.

Is this what i want for ME3 ?
No
I want ME3 to carry what is carrying ME1 and ME2, wich is "replay value", playthrough after playthrough because i know there will be one destination that made the journey of hundreds of hours making it woth it, not just a wall (i won't know that until i play the game so i don't judge the ME3 ending yet).

[Xilizhra]

Maybe not. Maybe a lot of people just thought differently than what Bioware was going for. So did they take away? No, they just had a different idea than us, and we didn't see it.

A different and utterly loathsome, wholly worthless idea if the spoilers are wholly true.

[N7Gold]

Joescrab wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's game, not yours. This is Bioware's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

Chill dude. There's a possibility everyone here was trolled. Chances are the guys who leaked the endings aren't being completely honest with us. You can't blame everyone for freaking out that no matter how hard they try, their most beloved characters can't get a decent ending.

Honesly I am very chill... I'll admit, I was slightly upset over the fact that my Shep doesn't get a happy ending with my LI/bro Garrus, but I'm very appreciative for what Bioware is doing here

Do you know for sure if your Shep can get a good ending with Garrus? Have you played the game yet? No offense, but I'd rather reserve judgement until I play through the game instead of believing leaked info that might not be 100% accurate. BioWare said they listen to their fans. We got our hands on the leaked script and as a result, they said they've done some changes since we hated the script. I just hope they aren't the ones trolling us instead of the guys who leaked the endings.

[DifferentD17]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

....but they are our Shepards, they let us make our own Shepards.

But within their story. They provide the foundation and design, we just build upon it.

EDIT: grammar

....but then they take away what we built.

Maybe not. Maybe a lot of people just thought differently than what Bioware was going for. So did they take away? No, they just had a different idea than us, and we didn't see it.

They effectively did take it away from the people with a different idea.

[shepard1038]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

While I'm happy with what I know of the game, the fact that it is BioWare's creation does not change the fact that they are making said creation for the purpose of SELLING it to their CUSTOMERS. Customers can and should express displeasure where applicable.

I only ask that said displeasure be as reasonable, and level-headed, as any given individual is capable of making it.

Yes I agree, they should complain on a civilized manner. Not like they are doing on the BSN.

[Xilizhra]

shepard1038 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

While I'm happy with what I know of the game, the fact that it is BioWare's creation does not change the fact that they are making said creation for the purpose of SELLING it to their CUSTOMERS. Customers can and should express displeasure where applicable.

I only ask that said displeasure be as reasonable, and level-headed, as any given individual is capable of making it.

Yes I agree, they should complain on a civilized manner. Not like they are doing on the BSN.

I'm not certain I agree. If Bioware or whomever controls them is so idiotic as to allow this travesty of an ending to come to pass, I hardly see how the manner in which one complains matters. They may as well launch fireworks spelling out profane utterances over Bioware headquarters for all it'll do.