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[curelightwounds]

Welcome to Baskin Robbins, home of 31 flavors!
What's that? Oh yes, all the flavors are Rocky Road.
No no, that's not true, you have choice. Some of the almonds come from California -- and some don't.

That's what this ordeal feels like to me

[killerteeth]

Let me paraphrase the ME3 ending.



None of your choices, decisions, or planning for the last 3 games matter.

Almost everyone dies.

All of the mass relays explode.

The Normandy crashes and your crew is stranded. The survivors apparently create an inbred colony which whorships "the shepard". Oh did you romance Ashley? Guess whos gonna be piledriving her to makes babies. If Tali or Garrus are on the ship then they ****ing starve to death.

There are only 7 endings and these events happen in all of the endings.

What are the differences?

Shepard lives in 1 of the endings and you get to pick what color the relays are when they explode.

Woohoo.

[SilencedScream]

GBGriffin wrote...

I think people have acknowledged that it's BioWare story by now, which allows us to level criticism at them for poor writing/design/marketing choices. They wrote an awful ending, designed the game to basically produce that same ending regardless of choice, and then marketed/lied through their teeth about it.

This, entirely.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Riveting tale, OP. No one has ever said this before.

Endings thread is that way.

<~~~~~

[Shahadem]

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's game, not yours. This is Bioware's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

I beg to differ. You see in a play even the audience is part of the performance and that is true of video games as well.

I have no problems with an unhappy ending if that ending is the natural ending of the journey. However the endings I saw were all forced endings that were not natural progressions of the plot.

Modifié par Shahadem, 03 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[Shahadem]

Dreogan wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...


But what if that was never planned? They can't take away something they never promised to give.

Players planned it. And Devs promised diverse endings.  So they did promise things.

The endings are diverse. If I recall, three different endings with three variations each, so it's 9? At least that's what I heard.  And what the players planned doesn't really matter, as they aren't making the game, no offense though.

EDIT: Spacing. I need to type slower.

I'm sorry, but raw numbers don't convey what's exactly happening with the endings. You could consider Mass Effect 2 to have... a hell of a lot more endings just because it's possible for anyone to die, but it only has one "real" ending: a cutscene of caskets, then followed by a cutscene of the crew. Followed by a cutscene against the galaxy. They just use a cheap trick to show/hide people that lived/died during the final mission. As far as game endings go, especially with such a story and choice-driven game, this is pathetic.

The ending of ME3 is similar, but they added a new technique of changing a camera perspective and palette swap to show which decision you make. A few lines change, maybe an animation or two changes along the way. But the actual ending doesn't change: this is what makes me seethe. Your choices, your decisions, your Shepard has very little influence on anything. Bioware just slams the book shut and screams "AND THEN IT WAS OVER!"

The ending of Mass Effect 2 was not the final 60 seconds of the game, the ending of Mass Effect 2 starts with the kidnapping of the crew.

Unlike in Mass Effect 1 where the only decisions that matter are the ones you make at the last minute, the ending of Mass Effect 2 which unfolds for you is determined by the choices you made during the game, chiefly what upgrades you took, which characters loyalty you gained, and whether you decide to go after the crew as soon as they are captured or wait for them.

The little casket scene is just a reminder of what happened earlier and was never meant to be more.

Modifié par Shahadem, 03 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[gearseffect]

Someone please wake me when we find out that this is a nightmare.
I'm really hoping this is not how it ends

Mass Effect 3 William C. Dietz was nothing compared to Bioware's actions.

The endings for ME3 may as well be everything is destroyed by a black hole that spawned out the @ss of a shifty looking cow.who had farted after breaking into Anderson's Apartment and eating his Tacos, Enchiladas, and CEREAL!
excuse me I need to go vomit after bringing that idea into existence

[Nayt Navare]

Joescrab wrote...

This is Bioware's game, not yours. This is Bioware's story, not yours. Yes, you have some impact on individual character's stories and can impact the end of the game to a degree, but this game is ending the way Bioware wants. What many people seem to forget is that this is a labor of love that Bioware has worked on for over half a decade, and if they want bitter endings then they are gonna have some bitter endings. Everyone needs to stop being so worked up over the endings and start appreciating the unique path they are taking going for a darker ending to an epic trilogy instead of a rainbow and sunshine one. Can you even remember the last time a HUGE series like this has ended on a dark note? I sure as hell can't, and I give massive props to Bioware allowing one of the biggest franchises ever to go out the way they want, and not how anyone else does.

It's their story, their franchise, and their ending. Deal with it.

You're right.

And it's MY  money.  It's MY merchandise to then burn or give away if I am angry.  It's MY job as a manager at a Gamestop, so it is MY chocie to not promote their games personally.  It is also MY choice as, a future teacher, to not promote them as leaders in making video games viable if *I* feel they have let down their fans with their execution and writing.  It is MY account on BSN to complain and moan as much as I like and want, though I have been relatively quiet compared to most.  It is also, in terms of others, THEIR RIGHT as sentient beings to FEEL AND EXPRESS THESE FEELINGS, just as, and I am happy to admit, IT IS YOUR RIGHT to say THEY ANNOY YOU.  Either way, everyone has a right to express themselvs, and I see no reason why they should stop now.

Complainers?  I personally don't understand the hysterics until after the game is out.  That said, PLEASE CONTINUE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF AS YOU WISH, IN FRIENDLY OR AT LEAST CIVIL TERMS, AS CONSUMERS.  That, at least, is my two cents.   Good day, sir.

[Wulfric121]

There's something very simple all of you idiotic kids are overlooking about the supposed endings of Mass Effect 3, the fact that Mass Effect 1 and 2 both had very similar endings and your actions didn't really make that much of a difference when it was all over.

Don't believe me? Then take this into consideration...

Mass Effect 1 ends a couple ways. One, the council dies, Sovereign is defeated and Anderson is appointed to lead.

And two, the council lives, Sovereign still dies and Udina is appointed. Now, you can deviate to mix things up, but the main point is that Sovereign still dies, one of the two characters still gets appointed and the council either dies or lives. Really, you pretty much only have two major ways the story of that game can end. There's not much choice therein how things play out. You're still following point a to b over a series of quests. It's the interaction of the characters that has more of an impact in the end and what makes the biggest carry over into Mass Effect 2.

Now let's look at Mass Effect 2 and how it ends.

One way it ends is no one dying on the Suicide Mission and the base gets destroyed, Illusive Man is pissed off and Shepard will be fighting the Reapers without him. Harbinger is coming regardless what you do. Arrival also has no choice ending cause Harbinger will still be coming despite your efforts to stop the Reapers return.

Now the second main way. A number of people, or everyone dies in the Suicide Mission, you keep the base, Illusive Man is happy but Shepard is still going to be fighting against him regardless how the end plays out. Arrival will not change whether you're good or bad cause the relay still gets blown up and Shepard is still being charged by the human council for his actions.

Now that I have that cleared up, let me bring the main point of all this together. Your actions in both games at the end do not matter to how the next game starts. In Mass Effect 3, Cerberus is still going to be against you, the Illusive Man is still your enemy and Harbinger is still coming regardless how good of a person you were or how big of an **** you were to everyone and everything around you. You really have no choice how the story continues and you sure have no choice how the story will end. What does matter however is the choices you make along the way with the characters you came to know and either respect or detest. Your relationship with these characters, big and small have far more importance and bearing on the choices you make on the journey than how the journey ends. How you actually get there is far more important than what you do when you're finally there. So really, I'm pretty damn surprised when you people are pissing and moaning about the endings, when in reality, we still don't get a customized ending regardless what we do. We never did in any of the games up to this point. The story still ended in a similar fashion regardless what choices you made on the way there.

The bottom line that most of you whiners have seemed to completely overlook is... YOU NEVER HAD ANY REAL CHOICES ON HOW THE STORY ENDS, and Bioware sure as hell isn't going to just change the end of THEIR story simply because a couple hundred butt hurt children want to boycott based on the fact that you can't actually grasp how the whole character interaction part and choices you make with those characters was originally meant to be experienced in the end.

Now that all of that is taken care of, I'm going to leave you all with a simple little realization. Ready for this? No matter what you do in Mass Effect 1 and 2, the end is still the same, Sovereign is still defeated and Cerberus is still against you regardless what you do. The only thing that does change from Mass Effect 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 is the interactions and experiences with the characters you meet along the way, not the way the story will actually end for your particular character.

Longer than I wanted, but hopefully people will finally get the point of the series for once so we can all enjoy Mass Effect 3 in gleeful harmony.

[killerteeth]

Wulfric121 wrote...

There's something very simple all of you idiotic kids are overlooking about the supposed endings of Mass Effect 3, the fact that Mass Effect 1 and 2 both had very similar endings and your actions didn't really make that much of a difference when it was all over.

Don't believe me? Then take this into consideration...

Mass Effect 1 ends a couple ways. One, the council dies, Sovereign is defeated and Anderson is appointed to lead.

And two, the council lives, Sovereign still dies and Udina is appointed. Now, you can deviate to mix things up, but the main point is that Sovereign still dies, one of the two characters still gets appointed and the council either dies or lives. Really, you pretty much only have two major ways the story of that game can end. There's not much choice therein how things play out. You're still following point a to b over a series of quests. It's the interaction of the characters that has more of an impact in the end and what makes the biggest carry over into Mass Effect 2.

Now let's look at Mass Effect 2 and how it ends.

One way it ends is no one dying on the Suicide Mission and the base gets destroyed, Illusive Man is pissed off and Shepard will be fighting the Reapers without him. Harbinger is coming regardless what you do. Arrival also has no choice ending cause Harbinger will still be coming despite your efforts to stop the Reapers return.

Now the second main way. A number of people, or everyone dies in the Suicide Mission, you keep the base, Illusive Man is happy but Shepard is still going to be fighting against him regardless how the end plays out. Arrival will not change whether you're good or bad cause the relay still gets blown up and Shepard is still being charged by the human council for his actions.

Now that I have that cleared up, let me bring the main point of all this together. Your actions in both games at the end do not matter to how the next game starts. In Mass Effect 3, Cerberus is still going to be against you, the Illusive Man is still your enemy and Harbinger is still coming regardless how good of a person you were or how big of an **** you were to everyone and everything around you. You really have no choice how the story continues and you sure have no choice how the story will end. What does matter however is the choices you make along the way with the characters you came to know and either respect or detest. Your relationship with these characters, big and small have far more importance and bearing on the choices you make on the journey than how the journey ends. How you actually get there is far more important than what you do when you're finally there. So really, I'm pretty damn surprised when you people are pissing and moaning about the endings, when in reality, we still don't get a customized ending regardless what we do. We never did in any of the games up to this point. The story still ended in a similar fashion regardless what choices you made on the way there.

The bottom line that most of you whiners have seemed to completely overlook is... YOU NEVER HAD ANY REAL CHOICES ON HOW THE STORY ENDS, and Bioware sure as hell isn't going to just change the end of THEIR story simply because a couple hundred butt hurt children want to boycott based on the fact that you can't actually grasp how the whole character interaction part and choices you make with those characters was originally meant to be experienced in the end.

Now that all of that is taken care of, I'm going to leave you all with a simple little realization. Ready for this? No matter what you do in Mass Effect 1 and 2, the end is still the same, Sovereign is still defeated and Cerberus is still against you regardless what you do. The only thing that does change from Mass Effect 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 is the interactions and experiences with the characters you meet along the way, not the way the story will actually end for your particular character.

Longer than I wanted, but hopefully people will finally get the point of the series for once so we can all enjoy Mass Effect 3 in gleeful harmony.

You're forgetting something, this is ME3. The end of the trilogy. The end of Shepards journey. Bioware has stated multiple times that our choices from ME1 and ME2 will come together and affect the outcome of ME3 in different ways.

Instead we get green, blue, and red endings.. and its just wrong.

[G3rman]

If BW wants money they make a story they know people will enjoy. Your argument is naive.

[GBGriffin]

Wulfric121 wrote...

There's something very simple all of you idiotic kids are overlooking about the supposed endings of Mass Effect 3, the fact that Mass Effect 1 and 2 both had very similar endings and your actions didn't really make that much of a difference when it was all over.

Don't believe me? Then take this into consideration...

Mass Effect 1 ends a couple ways. One, the council dies, Sovereign is defeated and Anderson is appointed to lead.

And two, the council lives, Sovereign still dies and Udina is appointed. Now, you can deviate to mix things up, but the main point is that Sovereign still dies, one of the two characters still gets appointed and the council either dies or lives. Really, you pretty much only have two major ways the story of that game can end. There's not much choice therein how things play out. You're still following point a to b over a series of quests. It's the interaction of the characters that has more of an impact in the end and what makes the biggest carry over into Mass Effect 2.

Now let's look at Mass Effect 2 and how it ends.

One way it ends is no one dying on the Suicide Mission and the base gets destroyed, Illusive Man is pissed off and Shepard will be fighting the Reapers without him. Harbinger is coming regardless what you do. Arrival also has no choice ending cause Harbinger will still be coming despite your efforts to stop the Reapers return.

Now the second main way. A number of people, or everyone dies in the Suicide Mission, you keep the base, Illusive Man is happy but Shepard is still going to be fighting against him regardless how the end plays out. Arrival will not change whether you're good or bad cause the relay still gets blown up and Shepard is still being charged by the human council for his actions.

Now that I have that cleared up, let me bring the main point of all this together. Your actions in both games at the end do not matter to how the next game starts. In Mass Effect 3, Cerberus is still going to be against you, the Illusive Man is still your enemy and Harbinger is still coming regardless how good of a person you were or how big of an **** you were to everyone and everything around you. You really have no choice how the story continues and you sure have no choice how the story will end. What does matter however is the choices you make along the way with the characters you came to know and either respect or detest. Your relationship with these characters, big and small have far more importance and bearing on the choices you make on the journey than how the journey ends. How you actually get there is far more important than what you do when you're finally there. So really, I'm pretty damn surprised when you people are pissing and moaning about the endings, when in reality, we still don't get a customized ending regardless what we do. We never did in any of the games up to this point. The story still ended in a similar fashion regardless what choices you made on the way there.

The bottom line that most of you whiners have seemed to completely overlook is... YOU NEVER HAD ANY REAL CHOICES ON HOW THE STORY ENDS, and Bioware sure as hell isn't going to just change the end of THEIR story simply because a couple hundred butt hurt children want to boycott based on the fact that you can't actually grasp how the whole character interaction part and choices you make with those characters was originally meant to be experienced in the end.

Now that all of that is taken care of, I'm going to leave you all with a simple little realization. Ready for this? No matter what you do in Mass Effect 1 and 2, the end is still the same, Sovereign is still defeated and Cerberus is still against you regardless what you do. The only thing that does change from Mass Effect 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 is the interactions and experiences with the characters you meet along the way, not the way the story will actually end for your particular character.

Longer than I wanted, but hopefully people will finally get the point of the series for once so we can all enjoy Mass Effect 3 in gleeful harmony.

All you've basically said in that lengthy and condescending rant is that we don't have a choice in the end, and no one is arguing that. The fact of the matter is that we were presented with the idea that our choices mattered, that they would be building towards an ending or outcome based on what we did and the choices we made. You're right, we don't have a choice in the outcome of the story, but I fail to see how anyone is supposed to feel good about that when they've been lead to believe otherwise across 2 previous games...

And, really, if choices don't matter, then they could have written a better ending with less ambiguity and plotholes. Barring poor resolution, look at the poor quality and defend that as something to enjoy.

[Dudeman315]

Wulfric121 wrote...

There's something very simple all of you idiotic kids are overlooking about the supposed endings of Mass Effect 3, the fact that Mass Effect 1 and 2 both had very similar endings and your actions didn't really make that much of a difference when it was all over.

And when your choices from me1 didn't make a huge difference in me2 there was a **** storm. Bioware stated that they couldn't do it because me2 had to carry over to me3, but me3 it will all pay off because they can have it branch off however since it is the last game in the series.  Now they are denying us that promise.

[Nayt Navare]

Dudeman315 wrote...

Wulfric121 wrote...

There's something very simple all of you idiotic kids are overlooking about the supposed endings of Mass Effect 3, the fact that Mass Effect 1 and 2 both had very similar endings and your actions didn't really make that much of a difference when it was all over.

And when your choices from me1 didn't make a huge difference in me2 there was a **** storm. Bioware stated that they couldn't do it because me2 had to carry over to me3, but me3 it will all pay off because they can have it branch off however since it is the last game in the series.  Now they are denying us that promise.

If the leaksare true, this is a very good point.

[gearseffect]

As far as things seem to be looking BW has been lying to us and is making our efforts and hopes pay out in steaming piles of sh!t. I hope the copies sent out in space and the source of this info had all been basically reduced to the worst endings based on how you chose to end the game and what not and locked much of the content on them.
I hope that is the case other wise BW is gonna have a legion of angry fans on their hands but then heh they do seem to be preparing for that with only Registered ME3 game owners will have access to the ME3 forums.

Until I've play ME3 I'll be hoping for the best and fearing for the .... yeah this or worse.


Total confusion- one final sin
Someone's religion and greed
Accidents happen, someone to blame
Who's got the answers we need?
I don't know who to believe
But I know who's gonna set me free
Cause I'll be waiting
When heaven comes down

[N7Gold]

gearseffect wrote...

As far as things seem to be looking BW has been lying to us and is making our efforts and hopes pay out in steaming piles of sh!t. I hope the copies sent out in space and the source of this info had all been basically reduced to the worst endings based on how you chose to end the game and what not and locked much of the content on them.
I hope that is the case other wise BW is gonna have a legion of angry fans on their hands but then heh they do seem to be preparing for that with only Registered ME3 game owners will have access to the ME3 forums.

Until I've play ME3 I'll be hoping for the best and fearing for the .... yeah this or worse.


Total confusion- one final sin
Someone's religion and greed
Accidents happen, someone to blame
Who's got the answers we need?
I don't know who to believe
But I know who's gonna set me free
Cause I'll be waiting
When heaven comes down

Its too early to judge whether BioWare has been lying to us or not, the game hasn't been officailly released, and the space editions might be in the hands of trolls who would love to se ME fans cry like babies, sending us leaked info and spin a web of lies with some truth with it to make us all angry since they know how emotionally invested we all are with the story and characters. As far as I'm concerned, the ones responsible for the leaked endings might be the ones who are lying to us. Ever thought about that?

I'm not spreading false hope, I'm just telling people to use common sense and wait until you get the game before you go off fuming saying there really is no perfect ending regardless of the decisions and actions you make.

Modifié par N7Gold, 03 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[me12343455]

its my game when i spend 60 doll hairs american on it.

[Femlob]

Eradyn wrote...

I fully support BW's right to burn their IP to the ground. I only wish they'd pay for all the popcorn I'm going to go through in the coming weeks.

Quoted for truth.

[kyg_20X6]

They're selling us a product. That is it. Maybe you should say it is THEIR product. We are THEIR customer base. Many of us have pre-ordered this product based on previous products from this company but, from what we've heard, it could end up being incredibly disappointing. Do you really feel like customers don't have the right to complain about a product that displeases them?

Man, I hate video game fans who turn into total marks for the companies. Does anyone do this with movie studios? They're not sporting teams that deserve some sort of loyalty. They live and die by their last game.

WE pay them, not the other way around. If anyone should have any expectations on them to perform for the other it is BioWare for US. If anyone should be expected to be loyal it is BioWare to US. And, honestly, I find it hard to fathom how (with these forums around) BioWare could let those endings make it through to the final copy. I think 9/10 fans on this forum, if given a preview to those endings, would have went "Uh, no! No-no-no! Don't. ****in'. Release. That. Whatever you do! Or at the very least change X but as is: no."

Just because I have high expectations for a game doesn't mean the bar gets lowered for it. This **** doesn't slide. For example, I was probably never more hyped for a game than GTA IV but that game disappointed me on so many levels, probably one of the biggest disappointments (relatively speaking) I've ever seen, video-game wise. And I have a feeling that ME3 with the pressure of ending a trilogy (I and so many others) are heavily invested in and the disappointing news coming from the SPACE editions makes me think ME3 is going to give GTA IV a run for its money.

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 03 mars 2012 - 06:15 .