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[Eclipse_9990]

 I've been thinking about these endings a lot in my spare time, and the conclusion I've come up with is that Synergy is pretty much the best ending. 

With synergy/merge everyone becomes badass organic/mech hybrids, and therefor will get all the strengths of organic, and machine, with none of the weaknesses(Atleast I assume so). With their enhanced minds, and bodies, I feel galactic society will be able to recover significantly faster than if they stayed the same, and might probably be better off for it. 

Also it might help the Turians, and Quarians stranded on earth. Maybe with them being part machine they won't have to survive on organic foods so they won't end up dying of starvation/food poisoning, and can rebuild their population over there. Same with the Normandy crew. I mean the only real bad thing(that I can see) is that Shepard won't be alive to experience all this stuff, but frankly compared to all the benefits, I feel that it is a small price to pay. 

In other words...




..Anyway I was wondering what you people thought about this.  

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Joescrab]

Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?

[AlphaJarmel]

I would argue Control is the best ending but I think most would agree that Destroy is horrible.

[Eclipse_9990]

Joescrab wrote...

Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?

You'd still have your own conciousness, and you'd still be human, turian, quarian, asari, salarian. You'd still be you, the only difference is that you're smarter, tougher, and have a few metallic bits sticking out from you.

Not a bad deal I would say. 

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would argue Control is the best ending but I think most would agree that Destroy is horrible.

 

I think I like Synergy more since instead of relying on some other machines all you'd have to rely on is yourself, your friends, your species, and your species friends.

But I admit I haven't read much on Control. Would you or someone describe it a bit to me? 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:13 .

[MythicLegands]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would argue Control is the best ending but I think most would agree that Destroy is horrible.

Isn't that the paragon ending?

[WizenSlinky0]

None of them are real options.

Synergy: You force, against their will, every organic in the galaxy to become part synthetic. Not everyone wants to be cyborg, and who's to say people will still be "themselves" when part of their brain is machine? There are upsides to being human.

Control: You submit the trillions of minds contained in the reapers to continued slavery. They are tools to perpetuate the Cycle. The Guardian enslaved them before you. Shepard continues it. They are bound to your will for eternity. Cruel.

Destroy: You just wiped out the Geth, EDI, and all of the races contained inside the reapers.

They are just endings. None of them are the "Good" ending. None of them are the "right" ending.

[AlphaJarmel]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?

You'd still have your own conciousness, and you'd still be human, turian, quarian, asari, salarian. You'd still be you, the only difference is that you're smarter, tougher, and have a few metallic bits sticking out from you.

Not a bad deal I would say. 

Synergy implies a different type of mental thinking though in that a person can actually understand a synthetic.  Nobody is the same individual they were before.

MythicLegands wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would argue Control is the best ending but I think most would agree that Destroy is horrible.

Isn't that the paragon ending?

 

Yea it's the 'Paragon' ending even though you backstab your allies and send the galaxy into a Dark Age.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 03 mars 2012 - 05:14 .

[Aesieru]

Technically that's the neutral ending.

If we look at the understanding of the game.

Destroy is the best in a sense of understanding the Technology Singularity.

Control is more the means to say screw it we won't do that right now, come back later and we'll fight you later, though potentially you might gain a big leg up on their technology and that'd be bad.

Synergy is the attempt that with foresight and knowledge of what could happen and spreading that knowledge by changing life as we know it, we can prevent that singularity of AI.

Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[Naqey]

destroy is paragon
control is renegade
merge is synergy

[Keedmo]

Saren would be rolling in his grave... if he wasn't vaporized already

[Eclipse_9990]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?

You'd still have your own conciousness, and you'd still be human, turian, quarian, asari, salarian. You'd still be you, the only difference is that you're smarter, tougher, and have a few metallic bits sticking out from you.

Not a bad deal I would say. 

Synergy implies a different type of mental thinking though in that a person can actually understand a synthetic.  Nobody is the same individual they were before.

Possibly. I admit its a bit of a gamble, but compared to some of the other options I'd say its pretty good. Plus atleast species wouldn't end up dying out, or end up starving to death on some random planet. 

I think I'll just hope all the species will still for the most part, act like themselves. 

Keedmo wrote...

Saren would be rolling in his grave... if he wasn't vaporized already

 

Well the scenario is a bit different.

But I can totally see Saren staring at my Shepard in the afterlife; looking smug as ****, and saying "I ****ing told you bro. I. ****ing. Told you."

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Xaijin]

They don't really explain how much is merged, but reapers certainly don't seem give a **** about shootin the breeze or getting drunk or playing some clawball or the 1278th annual Tuchanka Fishing Rally.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Joescrab wrote...

Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?

It only ruins the purpose if it removes their capacity for individuality and free will, but in this scenario what's happening is that all organics are becoming partially synthetic... and all synthetics are becoming partially organic. Yes, that includes the Reapers, apparently.

[AlphaJarmel]

Aesieru wrote...

Technically that's the neutral ending.

If we look at the understanding of the game.

Destroy is the best in a sense of understanding the Technology Singularity.

Control is more the means to say screw it we won't do that right now, come back later and we'll fight you later, though potentially you might gain a big leg up on their technology and that'd be bad.

Synergy is the attempt that with foresight and knowledge of what could happen and spreading that knowledge by changing life as we know it, we can prevent that singularity of AI.

The whole point of the ending though atleast for best Paragon/Destroy is that you got the Geth and Quarians to work together which means that the Singularity isn't always a given.  So Destroy is redundant and overkill.

[Melra]

Being some half machine thingie? Hell no, that's no life. Life without sexual and other kind of little pleasures, ain't life. Rather live a day as a lion, than hundred as a sheep.

Edit: Or something.

Modifié par Melrache, 03 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Eclipse_9990]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Technically that's the neutral ending.

If we look at the understanding of the game.

Destroy is the best in a sense of understanding the Technology Singularity.

Control is more the means to say screw it we won't do that right now, come back later and we'll fight you later, though potentially you might gain a big leg up on their technology and that'd be bad.

Synergy is the attempt that with foresight and knowledge of what could happen and spreading that knowledge by changing life as we know it, we can prevent that singularity of AI.

The whole point of the ending though atleast for best Paragon/Destroy is that you got the Geth and Quarians to work together which means that the Singularity isn't always a given.  So Destroy is redundant and overkill.

Makes sense. 

Melrache wrote...

Being some half machine thingie? Hell no, that's no life. Life without sexual and other kind of little pleasures, ain't life. Rather live a day as a lion, than hundred as a sheep.

Edit: Or something. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

 

Who's to say you can't have sex? Or have any other pleasures. You're a cyborg, not a calculator. Odds are you'll still have your squishy organic bits for bumping robo uglies with one another.

Hell; you could probably program yourself to be able to reproduce with the other cyborg species.

Robo alien hybrid babies for everyone! 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[themaxzero]

Synergy all the way. Bring on the singularity I say.

Was the best ending in Deus Ex so it's probably the best ending here 

Modifié par themaxzero, 03 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Jackumzz wrote...

There's going to be a high cost regardless of which choice. You're facing the greatest known threat the galaxy has faced thus far. Elimating the geth and EDI is a small price to pay for the relative saftey of the rest of the galaxy.

Didn't say it wasn't a small price.

All I said was there were no "Good" endings from a moral standpoint. The only moral choice would be to free the reapers from control and allow them to choose what to do with their freedom.

[FJVP]

I'm considering to go with Destroy, seems to be the best one to me.

[Eclipse_9990]

FJVP wrote...

I'm considering to go with Destroy, seems to be the best one to me.

The Legion in your avatar is very sad by your choice. Now it won't be able to stare at that cat anymore. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Since sex has been brought up, I think it more likely that synthetics are growing reproductive bits than it is that organics are losing them. So, uh, I guess that's good for Joker and EDI. Or something.

[FJVP]

I know and it's why I'm still hoping this so called secret ending allows me for a better outcome Otherwise I would rather sacrifice Legion and get rid of the Reapers for good rather than risking the cycle starting over again.

[AlphaJarmel]

Seriously, Destroy is like fixing your car after it broke down but a tow truck came along and the tow driver stating,"Even though your car is fixed, I'm going to tow it anyway and charge you. Why? Because I said so."

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 03 mars 2012 - 05:28 .