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[Eclipse_9990]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Since sex has been brought up, I think it more likely that synthetics are growing reproductive bits than it is that organics are losing them. So, uh, I guess that's good for Joker and EDI. Or something.

Yeah. Ya know? This ending isn't so bad.. It sucks that Shepard has to die on me, but maybe in ME4 I'll be able to enjoy the fruits of my suffering?

Can you say Cyborg Turian protagonist!? Hell yes! 

I can't wait to see Cyborg Asari!

Yeah... Synergy is just getting better, and better for me. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[droid105]

I know most of my Renegade Shepards will pick "Control Ending" but I want to try all the ending

[Aesieru]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Technically that's the neutral ending.

If we look at the understanding of the game.

Destroy is the best in a sense of understanding the Technology Singularity.

Control is more the means to say screw it we won't do that right now, come back later and we'll fight you later, though potentially you might gain a big leg up on their technology and that'd be bad.

Synergy is the attempt that with foresight and knowledge of what could happen and spreading that knowledge by changing life as we know it, we can prevent that singularity of AI.

The whole point of the ending though atleast for best Paragon/Destroy is that you got the Geth and Quarians to work together which means that the Singularity isn't always a given.  So Destroy is redundant and overkill.

The singularity doesn't require you to not work together, it is the means of its existence. the Geth are already beginning to expand though slowly, they don't just mine a few things or what they can, they completely devour resources, and their expansion is very quick. They were a minor singularity that could of become worse, but Sovereign tasked them and split them up instead and then used them as a weapon.

And if you honestly believe the Geth will just stay there and do nothing...

[FJVP]

Another thing that irks me about the Destroy ending is that apparently unless that you have a very high galactic score/readiness/whatever, Earth also gets screwed. And in order to get that you need to play multiplayer, otherwise it seems to be almost impossible.

[Big I]

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

[AlphaJarmel]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Best part too is you can Lazarus Project yourself.  Control really does seem like the smart call.

[Eclipse_9990]

themaxzero wrote...
Was the best ending in Deus Ex so it's probably the best ending here  

 

Hell yes! I chose that ending too! 

[Aesieru]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Seriously, Destroy is like fixing your car after it broke down but a tow truck came along and the tow driver stating,"Even though your car is fixed, I'm going to tow it anyway and charge you. Why? Because I said so."

Actually, Destroy is more there are giant robot squids preparing to kill all life as a prevention measure and your car has the potential to become an AI or be used to develop AI, or you do, and so because you're too far gone, they kill you, to be safe. Then a hero destroys the Reapers and all synthetics because if he doesn't, they'll kill you.

Also, just an FYI, but control doesn't stop the cycle, the Reapers are still there and will come back after another 50k years.

Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[DeinonSlayer]

I still think the best option would have been to walk away. If the Singularity is gonna happen, let it happen. Don't protect us from the consequences of our own actions. It's an inevitable result of the Destroy ending anyway - only with a few billion unnecessary deaths among stranded colonists in the immediate future.

If individuality is preserved, Synergy would be the next best option, even if it makes absolutely no sense. It worked for Shepard in ME2, right?

Control would be my next choice. Use the Reapers to rebuild the relays, send out a ride to pick up my friends, then clone myself a new body to control via QED interface. Ah, headcanon, right? Maybe that is the best way to go.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 03 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[FJVP]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Best part too is you can Lazarus Project yourself.  Control really does seem like the smart call.

How? Shepard is vaporized in the Control ending.

[AlphaJarmel]

Aesieru wrote...

The singularity doesn't require you to not work together, it is the means of its existence. the Geth are already beginning to expand though slowly, they don't just mine a few things or what they can, they completely devour resources, and their expansion is very quick. They were a minor singularity that could of become worse, but Sovereign tasked them and split them up instead and then used them as a weapon.

And if you honestly believe the Geth will just stay there and do nothing...

If you're talking about the Geth infinitely expanding, the amount of time for them to consume all the resources in the galaxy would be in the high tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands.  Even then they can expand past the galaxy if they really wanted.  This doesn't even make sense though as the Geth haven't really been about expansion and are actually quite effective in regards to space usage through the hubs.

FJVP wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Best part too is you can Lazarus Project yourself.  Control really does seem like the smart call.

How? Shepard is vaporized in the Control ending.

Your mind is uploaded on a computer.  Just transfer yourself off of it.   

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 03 mars 2012 - 05:35 .

[Bionic Weapon]

The only thing I don't get about this ending is why Shepard has to jump in the crucible in order for it to happen. All he had to do was activate it via the relays since that's what it was going to do anyway. Plus it makes more since for him to be merged as well, not die.

[Eclipse_9990]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Man.. I don't know. You make good points, but I feel control would be relying too much on the Reapers. With Synergy you only have to rely on yourselves. Plus with control who's to say the Reapers won't suddenly flip the **** out again? 

Also as for some people flipping the **** out about their augments. Well.. The next generation of cyborg alien hybrid babies won't give a crap because they were born that way.

Also there won't be any dumbasses anymore. Which is a bonus. 

Plus they'd be able to make an even more badass citadel if they wanted to. (Which they probably will.) Also everyone would live longer. I fail to see the downside of this. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[Big I]

FJVP wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...
Best part too is you can Lazarus Project yourself.  Control really does seem like the smart call.

How? Shepard is vaporized in the Control ending.

Pull an EDI. Your core consciousness is housed in the Citadel but you have a mech body you can walk around in.

[WizenSlinky0]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

The only thing I don't get about this ending is why Shepard has to jump in the crucible in order for it to happen. All he had to do was activate it via the relays since that's what it was going to do anyway. Plus it makes more since for him to be merged as well, not die.

The synthetics in Shepard had to be dissolved into the beam in order to make that ending happen, I believe.

[FJVP]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The singularity doesn't require you to not work together, it is the means of its existence. the Geth are already beginning to expand though slowly, they don't just mine a few things or what they can, they completely devour resources, and their expansion is very quick. They were a minor singularity that could of become worse, but Sovereign tasked them and split them up instead and then used them as a weapon.

And if you honestly believe the Geth will just stay there and do nothing...

If you're talking about the Geth infinitely expanding, the amount of time for them to consume all the resources in the galaxy would be in the high tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands.  Even then they can expand past the galaxy if they really wanted.  This doesn't even make sense though as the Geth haven't really been about expansion and are actually quite effective in regards to space usage through the hubs.

The geth were actually planning to construct a massive structure and upload themselves to it so that they could all think like a sinlge mind or something, similar to a Reaper. Legion tells you this in ME2.

Your mind is uploaded on a computer.  Just transfer yourself off of it.   

You don't know if that is actually possible.

Modifié par FJVP, 03 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Man.. I don't know. You make good points, but I feel control would be relying too much on the Reapers. With Synergy you only have to rely on yourselves. Plus with control who's to say the Reapers won't suddenly flip the **** out again? 

Also as for some people flipping the **** out about their augments. Well.. The next generation of cyborg alien hybrid babies won't give a crap because they were born that way.

Also there won't be any dumbasses anymore. Which is a bonus. 

Shortsighted. Society would fragment into those who want to become more synthetic and those who want to become more human again. It's actually possible somewhere down the line the risk of Singularity would return if enough progress was made to return to a more organic state.

[CerberusSoldier]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?

You'd still have your own conciousness, and you'd still be human, turian, quarian, asari, salarian. You'd still be you, the only difference is that you're smarter, tougher, and have a few metallic bits sticking out from you.

Not a bad deal I would say. 

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would argue Control is the best ending but I think most would agree that Destroy is horrible.

 

I think I like Synergy more since instead of relying on some other machines all you'd have to rely on is yourself, your friends, your species, and your species friends.

But I admit I haven't read much on Control. Would you or someone describe it a bit to me? 

  



You become slaves of the reapers and their technology

[Big I]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Man.. I don't know. You make good points, but I feel control would be relying too much on the Reapers. With Synergy you only have to rely on yourselves. Plus with control who's to say the Reapers won't suddenly flip the **** out again?

Equally possible in Synergy given that the Reapers are still around.

[AlphaJarmel]

FJVP wrote...

You don't know if that is actually possible.

Don't see why it would be a one-way street though.

[Aesieru]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The singularity doesn't require you to not work together, it is the means of its existence. the Geth are already beginning to expand though slowly, they don't just mine a few things or what they can, they completely devour resources, and their expansion is very quick. They were a minor singularity that could of become worse, but Sovereign tasked them and split them up instead and then used them as a weapon.

And if you honestly believe the Geth will just stay there and do nothing...

If you're talking about the Geth infinitely expanding, the amount of time for them to consume all the resources in the galaxy would be in the high tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands.  Even then they can expand past the galaxy if they really wanted.  This doesn't even make sense though as the Geth haven't really been about expansion and are actually quite effective in regards to space usage through the hubs.

FJVP wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Best part too is you can Lazarus Project yourself.  Control really does seem like the smart call.

How? Shepard is vaporized in the Control ending.

Your mind is uploaded on a computer.  Just transfer yourself off of it.   

Doesn't work like that, he's the new Guardian he's not just on the servers for no reason.

Taking him off could call the reapers back for all we know and you couldn't anyway.

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Actually, if you look at the Geth and read on them and read the entries for their planets, they pretty much devour everything. Also, you can't expand past the galaxy, the relays are the only means of distant travel designed it'd taken thousands upon thousands.

The galactic extinction cycle has gone on for millions of years or more, a 100 thousand to devour the galaxy is nothing and not to be thought of lightly.

[themaxzero]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Man.. I don't know. You make good points, but I feel control would be relying too much on the Reapers. With Synergy you only have to rely on yourselves. Plus with control who's to say the Reapers won't suddenly flip the **** out again? 

Also as for some people flipping the **** out about their augments. Well.. The next generation of cyborg alien hybrid babies won't give a crap because they were born that way.

Also there won't be any dumbasses anymore. Which is a bonus. 

Some would argue that we are already headed towards a merge ending in real life. People with Pacemakers, hearing aids and prosthetic limbs would already be considered cyborgs.

The difference is that the mechanical part isn't as good as the biological original yet so nobody freaks out. The real question will start being asked once the mechanical replacements are an actual improvement on the original.

http://www.runnerswo...12492-0,00.html

The beginning?

Modifié par themaxzero, 03 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

[Eclipse_9990]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Joescrab wrote...

Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?

You'd still have your own conciousness, and you'd still be human, turian, quarian, asari, salarian. You'd still be you, the only difference is that you're smarter, tougher, and have a few metallic bits sticking out from you.

Not a bad deal I would say. 

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would argue Control is the best ending but I think most would agree that Destroy is horrible.

 

I think I like Synergy more since instead of relying on some other machines all you'd have to rely on is yourself, your friends, your species, and your species friends.

But I admit I haven't read much on Control. Would you or someone describe it a bit to me? 

  



You become slaves of the reapers and their technology

Yeah thats what I've been saying. With control you'd be relying waaaaayy too much on the Reapers to do **** for you. Without advancing on your own. With Synergy you for the most part get a gentle boost, or nudge in the right direction, but have more paths to choose from, and more potential at your disposal. 

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Man.. I don't know. You make good points, but I feel control would be relying too much on the Reapers. With Synergy you only have to rely on yourselves. Plus with control who's to say the Reapers won't suddenly flip the **** out again? 

Also as for some people flipping the **** out about their augments. Well.. The next generation of cyborg alien hybrid babies won't give a crap because they were born that way. 

Also there won't be any dumbasses anymore. Which is a bonus. 

Shortsighted. Society would fragment into those who want to become more synthetic and those who want to become more human again. It's actually possible somewhere down the line the risk of Singularity would return if enough progress was made to return to a more organic state.

 

Well the people who'd want to become more human again won't last long, and will eventually be forgotten. Since everyone is also part organic, the children they'll have will be cyborgs as well, and those kids won't have anyreason to want to go back to being full organic.

As for the people who want to go back, they're philosophy will die out, and become unpopular, and maybe even a few of them will change their minds. Even if there is some issue at first, it won't last very long. Atleast not for a generation or so. 

themaxzero wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Control is the only ending that preserves the Citadel and presumably the 17 million people living on it. Control gives you all the benefits of the Synergy ending (Reapers non-hostile, perhaps end up helping clean up the mess after the war) without the massive detriments (forcing a fundamental physical change on people whether they want it or not). Shepard also survives with his or her mind uploaded, albeit without their original body.


I'll be going Contol everytime.

Man.. I don't know. You make good points, but I feel control would be relying too much on the Reapers. With Synergy you only have to rely on yourselves. Plus with control who's to say the Reapers won't suddenly flip the **** out again? 

Also as for some people flipping the **** out about their augments. Well.. The next generation of cyborg alien hybrid babies won't give a crap because they were born that way. 

Also there won't be any dumbasses anymore. Which is a bonus. 

Some would argue that we are already headed towards a merge ending in real life. People with Pacemakers, hearing aids and prosthetic limbs would already be considered cyborgs. 

The difference is that the mechanical part isn't as good as the biological original yet so nobody freaks out. The real question will start being asked once the mechanical replacements are an actual improvement on the original.

http://www.runnerswo...12492-0,00.html

The beginning?

 

Exactly. Deus EX:HR? In my Bioware game!? 



Now pretend he's a Turian... Hell yes! 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[Zyrious]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Seriously, Destroy is like fixing your car after it broke down but a tow truck came along and the tow driver stating,"Even though your car is fixed, I'm going to tow it anyway and charge you. Why? Because I said so."

What are you talking about? The reapers are still slaughtering the entire galaxy and human race and Destroy gets rid of that problem once and for all without selling your soul by controlling them or taking what may be a dark path by merging synthetics and organics.

Essentially, Destroy is the only ending that does not either enslave trillions or doom an entire galaxy to a fate they may not want. Destroy rids the galaxy of the reapers, at the price of the Geth, but one may say that seeing the geth and quarians unite proves to you that Synergy or control isn't necessary, the singularity is not inevitable.

In my mind, Destroy is the only option, even if it costs all current AI. Every ending has a price, Destroy has the smallest price, WITHOUT giving up what we're fighting for. In my mind, Synergy is no different than allowing the reapers to win, they wanted to upload all of our minds into a reaper, which is in itself part organic and made up of all the minds of the subject species. You are, against the consent of every organic for all of eternity, merging them with synthetics. I'll take my chances with destroy. Geth can be rebuilt, you can't undo Synergy.