317 réponses à ce sujet

[Eclipse_9990]

themaxzero wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

Yeah bit the synthetic side would actually be right. Again I point to the real world, prosthetic limbs, pacemakers and hearing aids. They are also working on a synthetic eye.

No backlash because they are not as good as the biological original. But what if they were? What if they were actually better?

http://www.runnerswo...12492-0,00.html

Posted that earlier.

Just having robotic parts isn't enough. That's a cyborg. You still require the same things as a human more or less. This is a fundamental shift in needs and mental processes.

So where do you draw the line between cyborg and robot?

A Robot is someone who is entirely synthetic. A Cyborg is someone with a mix of Organic, and Synthetic parts. Atleast thats what my definition of it is. 

[AlphaJarmel]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

I am going with this option makes the races no longer those races. You have in a way committed an even greater genocide as you have killed the 'soul' of every living sapient species. I agree that it is like Indoctrination, you have made a form of fused thinking husk of everyone.

I don't understand why. You would still be you. Except for the mechanical augmentations. There would still be individual species, but they would be better than before. Also you can't be a thinking a husk. A husk implies that theres nothing in there. If you're thinking you're not a husk. 

Also Shepard is a cyborg; has his soul been killed? Just think of it as everyone become like Shepard. 

With cyborgs, they still think for the most part like a human, they may think faster but not differently.  With Synthesis, you would view plants, machines, and even yourself differently.  In order to understand what a computer is thinking, this would require a vast restructuring of the mental process.  This isn't like listening to your neighbor discuss his life problems, it would be like trying to hear a computer talk in 1s and 0s and making sense of that.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 03 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Good points, but I feel with all of the species enhancements, and such they have more potential to get passed their differences than if they were simply organic. They would all be smarter, and be able to see things logically(Though they can choose not to be logical). With synergy everyone will be better, stronger, smarter.

No one would have to be victims because they'd all be able to defend themselves. 

No one would be a burden on society because they weren't born smart enough. People would obviously still have their own potential, and some would be better, and get ahead in life compared to others, but compared to what we have now? Everyone gets a better shot at life, everyone, and a brighter future to boot. 

People would be able to solve serious problems quickly, they'd be able to invent new solutions in a flash. 
Also I know you're not saying that this is a wrong choice, and I respect your opinions, and stance on this. 

Also when everyone in this galaxy finds a way to go to others. We'll probably have serious advantages over the beings there. 

Hm, good thoughts. Though I'm coming up with new problems as I think about them.

Advancement without control- By advancing too fast in too short of a time we suffer from the same thing the reapers imposed on us. We don't fully understand the forces we are dealing with. Hell, it's safe to say all of our medical technology and whole aspects of our societies would immediatly collapse. We'd basically have to start from scratch building an entirely new society around our new needs, new thoughts, new ideas.

Longevity- Do the synthetic pieces extend our life for any signficant period of time? Are we immortal? Organics already act as sort of a parasite on resources as it is and that's even with us dying in what ammounts to a short period of time. It would take a long time but as Synthetics continued to expand they would inevitable each a point where the galaxy is exhausted. Which also brings up the question of, didn't the singuality just happen anyway? When resources become exhausted and make way for synthetic needs organic life would cease to exist. A long long long way in the future of course, but it'd happen.

Singularity Reversal- How long before we become all synthetic and eventually begin working backwards when there is nothing left to do. I mean at some point we'd likely start creating organics. And those organics might eventually use our synthetic natures against us to destroy us through hacking or galactic EMP explosions or more space magic. Who the hell knows.

It's all really interesting to think about though.

[themaxzero]

Zyrious wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

Melrache wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

FJVP wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...
Best part too is you can Lazarus Project yourself.  Control really does seem like the smart call.

How? Shepard is vaporized in the Control ending.

Pull an EDI. Your core consciousness is housed in the Citadel but you have a mech body you can walk around in.

Yeah because everybody wants to be a robot.

Well that's easy for you to say your body (I assume) is in fine working order. I wonder what someone in a wheelchair would say a the option for a pair of synthetic legs? Especially if the synthetic legs were actually better then the biological versions?

We arent talking about donating synthetic parts to a disabled person. We're talking about forcing ALL organic life in the entire galaxy to have their ENTIRE organic structure merged with the synthetic, changing their very thought processes in order to ensure the singularity does not happen. It's indoctrination mixed with forced mutilation. It is unethical by most people's moral code's. In the Destroy ending you sacrifice the Geth, but that's it. The reapers are gone, and the war is won. In Synergy you literally give up what you were fighting for - The right to live, as you are, and not as a reaper or a synergy being. Control is just going to the darkside and becoming the new reaper god.

How is it indoctrination? If I get a pair of biotic eyes am I indoctrinated? What about if I replace my entire body except my brain? Indoctrinated? What if I get a cybernetic brain but keep the same brain wave patterns?

[WizenSlinky0]

themaxzero wrote...

So where do you draw the line between cyborg and robot?

A cyborg is a human who has synthetic components. It still has similar needs, wants, and mental thinking as a human.

A robot has ditched what it means to be human.

The synergy ending, while we can't be sure, risks entirely altering the way our brains work, think, and need for things.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 03 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Zyrious wrote...

Xio says that in the dialogue where you choose control, you are doing it because you believe the cycle may, in fact, be necessary after all. Synergy dooms ALL ORGANIC LIFE to an EXISTENCE THEY DID NOT CHOOSE. The very thing humanity has been fighting againt, being made into a reaper. Destroy does not Doom society, infact it has been a main theme that the downfall of civilization has been its reliance on Mass Relays.

FTL still exists, people can still connect to planet in their local star clusters, they will find a way to survive. Many larger worlds will be self sufficient, with some exceptions. Even upstart colonies on garden worlds will make it.

In time, a replacement for the relays will be researched, now that its necessary.

I'll have to see the dialogue for Control.  If they flat out state you're continuing the cycle then Bioware writing shows how bad they are for not thinking of all contingencies, similar to the Rachni in ME1.  I'm not completely happy with Synthesis either as it really is shoved down everybody's throats but atleast more people are alive compared to Destroy and also they can rebuild society quicker.  It does also seem redundant in the sense that they as a whole were avoiding Singularity anyway but it prevents future misunderstandings.

FTL is still way too slow for a true galactic government.  It would take 23 years to go from one end of the galaxy to another.  This is assuming no pitstops, unlimited fuel, and no issue with the cores overheating.  That's also ignoring the immediate issue of all the people on colonies starving and riots breaking out.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 03 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[themaxzero]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

So where do you draw the line between cyborg and robot?

A cyborg is a human who has synthetic components. It still has similar needs, wants, and mental thinking as a human.

A robot has ditched what it means to be human.

The synergy ending, while we can't be sure, risks entirely altering the way our brains work, think, and need for things.

And that's a bad thing? It is simply increased potential. We can use the new (and improved) bodies for good or evil.

There is nothing inherantly good or good about having cybernetic parts. We have people in RL who have them. It's all about what you do with them.

Modifié par themaxzero, 03 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[WizenSlinky0]

themaxzero wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

So where do you draw the line between cyborg and robot?

A cyborg is a human who has synthetic components. It still has similar needs, wants, and mental thinking as a human.

A robot has ditched what it means to be human.

The synergy ending, while we can't be sure, risks entirely altering the way our brains work, think, and need for things.

And that's a bad thing? It is simply increased potential. We can use the new (and improved) bodies for good or evil.

Expanding the potential of human life with synthetic components is not bad.

Erasing what it means to be human is. There are fundamentally good thing about being human. Like having individuality, being adaptive rather than reactive, and being capable of sympathy and understanding.

It's not just our bodies being improved in the synergy ending. Our MINDS are being affected. We can't be sure how much, but they are changing, and we risk no longer being the people we were. I, personally, would say that is a very bad thing both in terms of the "victory" if you could call it that and the future.

[Zyrious]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Xio says that in the dialogue where you choose control, you are doing it because you believe the cycle may, in fact, be necessary after all. Synergy dooms ALL ORGANIC LIFE to an EXISTENCE THEY DID NOT CHOOSE. The very thing humanity has been fighting againt, being made into a reaper. Destroy does not Doom society, infact it has been a main theme that the downfall of civilization has been its reliance on Mass Relays.

FTL still exists, people can still connect to planet in their local star clusters, they will find a way to survive. Many larger worlds will be self sufficient, with some exceptions. Even upstart colonies on garden worlds will make it.

In time, a replacement for the relays will be researched, now that its necessary.

I'll have to see the dialogue for Control.  If they flat out state you're continuing the cycle then Bioware writing shows how bad they are for not thinking of all contingencies, similar to the Rachni in ME1.  I'm not completely happy with Synthesis either as it really is shoved down everybody's throats but atleast more people are alive compared to Destroy and also they can rebuild society quicker.  It does also seem redundant in the sense that they as a whole were avoiding Singularity anyway but it prevents future misunderstandings.

FTL is still way too slow for a true galactic government.  It would take 23 years to go from one end of the galaxy to another.  This is assuming no pitstops, unlimited fuel, and no issue with the cores overheating.  That's also ignoring the immediate issue of all the people on colonies starving and riots breaking out.

There is sacrifice in Destroy, but many colonies are self sufficient as the point of most colonies is to start up on an untouched world and take advantage of their natural resources. most colonies should have farms, wildlife, basic essentials, though i'm not going to claim things will be easy, as they wont have the benefits of galactic civilization. However, over long periods supplies can still be delivered between nearby colonies, nearby worlds, and from Earth to its colonies. Some colonies may even be evacuated back to Earth to help rebuild. The Systems alliance will colonice worlds in the local cluster instead of galaxy-wide.

Losing the relays isnt all bad, remember its been stated technology hasnt advanced as much as it could because of a reliance on left-behind tech. With the relays gone, races will need to begin working on alternatives. Lots of dead reaper corpses will probably help with research. A Small multi-racial culture will form on Earth as well with all the stranded militaries. In the end, i think Destroy has the smallest sacrifice. I think synergy is essentially "Selling your soul to the devil" type thing, and Control is just giving in to fear.

At the end though, i think which each player choose swill depend on their ideology, so thats not all bad, this is just my opinion on the matter. However, atleast we can all agree that, whatever he was doing, Joker was an idiot during the ending.

[wicked_being]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

FJVP wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...
Best part too is you can Lazarus Project yourself.  Control really does seem like the smart call.

How? Shepard is vaporized in the Control ending.

Pull an EDI. Your core consciousness is housed in the Citadel but you have a mech body you can walk around in.

Or maybe you can assume direct control over any mech anytime anywhere?

[Eclipse_9990]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Advancement without control- By advancing too fast in too short of a time we suffer from the same thing the reapers imposed on us. We don't fully understand the forces we are dealing with. Hell, it's safe to say all of our medical technology and whole aspects of our societies would immediatly collapse. We'd basically have to start from scratch building an entirely new society around our new needs, new thoughts, new ideas.

 

New ideas isn't necessarily a bad thing. I also doubt people would just let their technology grow, without regulation. Everyone would be smarter, but they wouldn't be more reckless. Infact they may be able to make better judgement on certain projects, and be able to more accuratly determine if going forward with a certain experiments is the best idea or not.

Which is what humans do now, except the cyborgs would have a better idea on how to go about it. 

WizenSlinky0 wrote... 
Longevity- Do the synthetic pieces extend our life for any signficant period of time? Are we immortal? Organics already act as sort of a parasite on resources as it is and that's even with us dying in what ammounts to a short period of time. It would take a long time but as Synthetics continued to expand they would inevitable each a point where the galaxy is exhausted. Which also brings up the question of, didn't the singuality just happen anyway? When resources become exhausted and make way for synthetic needs organic life would cease to exist. A long long long way in the future of course, but it'd happen.

  

I doubt everyone will be immortal. Love lived? Most likely, immortal? I doubt it. Also I agree that potential lack of resources is a real issue, but with everyones enhanced minds, they may be able to get passed that. 

They may find a way to invent terraforming devices, and convert useless planets to ones more beneficial to their needs, they may find away to prevent stars from aging, eliminating the risk of planets being destroyed over time.

Or they might pull a Star Trek, and invent a way to make whatever food, items, and supply appear with minimial to no cost. Also if push comes to shove I'm sure they'd find a way to move on, and conquer new galaxy's. The Cosmo's is limitless, and new planets, and solar systems are beings created all the time. Hell they might not even need to leave their universe, or galaxy. 

WizenSlinky0 wrote... 
Singularity Reversal- How long before we become all synthetic and eventually begin working backwards when there is nothing left to do. I mean at some point we'd likely start creating organics. And those organics might eventually use our synthetic natures against us to destroy us through hacking or galactic EMP explosions or more space magic. Who the hell knows.

   

I doubt people would want to become completely synthetic. Because being organic does come with a significant amount of benefits, and advantages so I doubt anyone would want to lose this. I also doubt people would run out of things to do, they could explore, they could advance things further, there is literally limitless potential to be found. 

WizenSlinky0 wrote...  
It's all really interesting to think about though.

Yeah. Its pretty damn awesome. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I'm gonna opt for the destroy or merge I guess...

I think control is the worst of the worst, destory being the 'best' and .. merge lesser of two evils?

[Legendaryred]

I was thinking the same thing, its the bad ending out of the worst endings. In the destroy ending you kill EDI and the Geth and since i love EDI and Legion there is no way i would do that.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Zyrious wrote...

Synergy dooms ALL ORGANIC LIFE to an EXISTENCE THEY DID NOT CHOOSE. The very thing humanity has been fighting againt, being made into a reaper.

I'm pretty sure the subtleties of what the Reapers do with them after grinding them down to organic paste isn't the first thing on everyone's mind; they're more concerned about ending the Reaper invasion so the galaxy can go on living.

Control and Merge do that as well as Destroy. All three have their downsides. There is no "right" answer; there is only the question of which solution seems less repugnant to you. Genocide of all A.I. and the geth in exchange for a clean finish? "Become" the Reapers just on the off chance that the Cycle is a necessary thing after all? Or attempt to force an evolution that would, in theory, render the question of the Cycle irrelevant?

At its base, it's a question between:
1 - Ending the Cycle permanently
2 - Preserving the Cycle, just in case
3 - An alternative to the Cycle that might eliminate the cause of it

As for which is best for the galaxy, who can say? It's something we'll be bickering about for a long while, I'm sure.

[Eclipse_9990]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Synergy dooms ALL ORGANIC LIFE to an EXISTENCE THEY DID NOT CHOOSE. The very thing humanity has been fighting againt, being made into a reaper.

I'm pretty sure the subtleties of what the Reapers do with them after grinding them down to organic paste isn't the first thing on everyone's mind; they're more concerned about ending the Reaper invasion so the galaxy can go on living.

Control and Merge do that as well as Destroy. All three have their downsides. There is no "right" answer; there is only the question of which solution seems less repugnant to you. Genocide of all A.I. and the geth in exchange for a clean finish? "Become" the Reapers just on the off chance that the Cycle is a necessary thing after all? Or attempt to force an evolution that would, in theory, render the question of the Cycle irrelevant?

At its base, it's a question between:
1 - Ending the Cycle permanently
2 - Preserving the Cycle, just in case
3 - An alternative to the Cycle that might eliminate the cause of it

As for which is best for the galaxy, who can say? It's something we'll be bickering about for a long while, I'm sure.

Just curious about one of your definitions. Preserving the Cycle is Control right? 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...


New ideas isn't necessarily a bad thing. I also doubt people would just let their technology grow, without regulation. Everyone would be smarter, but they wouldn't be reckless. Infact they may be able to make better judgement on certain projects, and be able to more accuratly determine going forward with a certain experiment is the best idea.

Which is what humans do now, except the cyborgs would have a better idea on how to go about it. 

 

No I know new ideas aren't a bad thing. But can you even imagine how much would have to change right off the bat on the very first day, depending on how much has changed in our minds, in our needs? For a significant period of time things could be reduced to complete and utter chaos. Would governments still be needed? Probably, but would they serve the same functions? Probably not. Do we know how to operate and work on our new bodies in case of problems? Unlikely. There would be a lot of death involved before we figured out how everything works.

We're not used to such immediate changes. We're used to gradual, incremental change.

I doubt everyone will be immortal. Love lived? Most likely, immortal? I doubt it. Also I agree that potential lack of resources is a real issue, but with everyones enhanced minds, they may be able to get passed that. 

They may find a way to invent terraforming devices, and convert useless planets to ones more beneficial to their needs, they may find away to prevent stars from aging, eliminating the risk of planets being destroyed over time.

Or they might pull a Star Trek, and invent a way to make whatever food, items, and supply appear with minimial to no cost. Also if push comes to shove I'm sure they'd find a way to move on, and conquer new galaxy's. The Cosmo's is limitless, and new planets, and solar systems are beings created all the time. Hell they might not even need to leave their universe, or galaxy. 

 

What happens if we, figuratively speaking, "break" the natural order of things? The universe is very much geared towards organics if you think about it. Our limitations work within the world we live in. When we take into account the increased potential from synthetic components we don't even know if the laws of the universe can hold up against our new experimentation with things we'd never be able to even approach as organics.

Organics are inherently limited by short live-spans, limited mental processing and learning, etc. Synthetics aren't so limited. Once they start screwing around with the basic foundations of our galaxy things could get bad very fast. And unless we became fully synthetic I would say yes, we are that stupid.

I doubt people would want to become completely synthetic. Because being organic does come with a significant amount of benefits, and advantages so I doubt anyone would want to lose this. I also doubt people would run out of things to do, they could explore, they could advance things further, there is literally limitless potential to be found. 

Part of it depends on what changes in our minds when the synergy is applied. Plus, it could very much happen along the lines of the geth. We upgrade this. We upgrade that. Suddenly, without ever realizing it since it was so gradual, we've been erasing what it means to be human.

And I'd say the idea of an Organic Singularity to be a surprising reality. Just like Organics are capable of creating Synthetics that are greater than themselves, wouldn't Synthetics be able to create Organics that are greater than themselves? Organics are adaptive creatures. Synthetics are reactive creating only when problems arise.

Really, I wonder if the correct balance could ever be reached or if our minds could ever reach a point where we stop screwing with the natural order.

[AlphaJarmel]

Zyrious wrote...

There is sacrifice in Destroy, but many colonies are self sufficient as the point of most colonies is to start up on an untouched world and take advantage of their natural resources. most colonies should have farms, wildlife, basic essentials, though i'm not going to claim things will be easy, as they wont have the benefits of galactic civilization. However, over long periods supplies can still be delivered between nearby colonies, nearby worlds, and from Earth to its colonies. Some colonies may even be evacuated back to Earth to help rebuild. The Systems alliance will colonice worlds in the local cluster instead of galaxy-wide.

Losing the relays isnt all bad, remember its been stated technology hasnt advanced as much as it could because of a reliance on left-behind tech. With the relays gone, races will need to begin working on alternatives. Lots of dead reaper corpses will probably help with research. A Small multi-racial culture will form on Earth as well with all the stranded militaries. In the end, i think Destroy has the smallest sacrifice. I think synergy is essentially "Selling your soul to the devil" type thing, and Control is just giving in to fear.

At the end though, i think which each player choose swill depend on their ideology, so thats not all bad, this is just my opinion on the matter. However, atleast we can all agree that, whatever he was doing, Joker was an idiot during the ending.

I'm sure some colonies are indeed self-sufficient however there are plenty that aren't.  Omega and Illium stick in my mind.  Then there's the wrecked infrastructure from dealing with Reaper attacks.  With trade it might have been possible to keep the collateral damage to a minimum but now I can't see otherwise.  Also the armed forces which might have been key to maintaing control are now stuck on Earth.

I think that's more due to the laziness of the Asari rather than anything else.  The turians and humans have made great progress technologically even in the confines of the ME trilogy.

Again with Control I think it's the best option to helping maintain the status quo(not talking about the Cycles here) of a galactic civilization and progressing society forward into a new Golden Age.  You can then have all the Reapers fly into a sun if you feel a Cycle is unnecessary.

Yes Joker proves he's a bad pilot and an idiot to the bitter end.

[Eclipse_9990]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

No I know new ideas aren't a bad thing. But can you even imagine how much would have to change right off the bat on the very first day, depending on how much has changed in our minds, in our needs? For a significant period of time things could be reduced to complete and utter chaos. Would governments still be needed? Probably, but would they serve the same functions? Probably not. Do we know how to operate and work on our new bodies in case of problems? Unlikely. There would be a lot of death involved before we figured out how everything works.

We're not used to such immediate changes. We're used to gradual, incremental change.

Well I'm not saying it would be easy at first, but I feel everyone could make it work. Plus as I've mentioned before their minds are augmented, so I believe everyone would be able to adapt to the changes a lot faster. 

WizenSlinky0 wrote... 

What happens if we, figuratively speaking, "break" the natural order of things? The universe is very much geared towards organics if you think about it. Our limitations work within the world we live in. When we take into account the increased potential from synthetic components we don't even know if the laws of the universe can hold up against our new experimentation with things we'd never be able to even approach as organics.

Organics are inherently limited by short live-spans, limited mental processing and learning, etc. Synthetics aren't so limited. Once they start screwing around with the basic foundations of our galaxy things could get bad very fast. And unless we became fully synthetic I would say yes, we are that stupid.

Well this depends on how you define the natural order. All intelligent beings will eventually create synthetics. It would start small like creating a wheel, and move up to a calculator, then a toy robot dog, etc. etc. In a way synthetics are a part of the natural order. Also the universe isn't necessarily geared towards organic life. After all there are certain planets, and systems where organic life is impossible to form. 

I think the cosmo's can handle a few robo-organics. Also the Asari live for a millenia, and they've done fine on their planets. I don't think a lifespan boost would be a big deal. 

WizenSlinky0 wrote...  

Part of it depends on what changes in our minds when the synergy is applied. Plus, it could very much happen along the lines of the geth. We upgrade this. We upgrade that. Suddenly, without ever realizing it since it was so gradual, we've been erasing what it means to be human.

And I'd say the idea of an Organic Singularity to be a surprising reality. Just like Organics are capable of creating Synthetics that are greater than themselves, wouldn't Synthetics be able to create Organics that are greater than themselves? Organics are adaptive creatures. Synthetics are reactive creating only when problems arise.

Really, I wonder if the correct balance could ever be reached or if our minds could ever reach a point where we stop screwing with the natural order.

I feel balance is important as well. If Organics will lead to a Synthetic singularity, and Synthetics will lead to an Organic singularity. Then isn't the only real course of action to merge organic, and synthetic? Like the merge is doing. 

The merging of the two effecitvely stops the cycle; both cycles. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Chassthemighty]

I'm going with Destroy. At the end of the day, it's about freedom. Freedom to self-determinate your fate. If it so happens that one day it results in some sort of singularity (A concept that's frankly ridiculous), then so be it. At least it will have been a fate of our choosing. I won't force my views on how things should be done on the rest of the galaxy, nor will I loom over them with the threat of annihilation if they choose to do something I don't wish.

It does suck that the Geth, EDI, and the apparently "enslaved" Reapers are going to be victims of this, but it's the only way I can ensure everyone in the galaxy has the right to self determination. If at some point in the future, they all choose to become half organic/half synthetic, or cause some sort of singularity or something, it will have been done through their choices and actions.

My Shepard stands for the rights of all beings to self determinate, to choose their own fate. Even if synthesis might be the best fate over all, I refuse to push my decision upon the rest of the galaxy.

Freedom, baby.

[kingsims]

This exactly like the Deus Ex ending . JC just says its all wrong and nobody should control humanity's future in the destroy Helios ending. Not an A.I, Bob Page, MJ12 and Illuminanti and JC. The world starts over this time fresh with the ability to learn from the mistakes they made. Its basically freedom and a clean slate.

[Arthas9]

Shepard is a rebuilt cyborg (he has many cybernetic parts), so basicly he is half organic, half machine\\synthetic, but it is still him: it's still his conscious, mermories, moral, soul and personality. I guess that this fact makes him the harbinger (no pun intended) of the lifeform that comes from the merge\\synergy ending. So yes, I guess it is the best way to end the trilogy... but I kind of like the other 2 too.

[Aesieru]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Synergy dooms ALL ORGANIC LIFE to an EXISTENCE THEY DID NOT CHOOSE. The very thing humanity has been fighting againt, being made into a reaper.

I'm pretty sure the subtleties of what the Reapers do with them after grinding them down to organic paste isn't the first thing on everyone's mind; they're more concerned about ending the Reaper invasion so the galaxy can go on living.

Control and Merge do that as well as Destroy. All three have their downsides. There is no "right" answer; there is only the question of which solution seems less repugnant to you. Genocide of all A.I. and the geth in exchange for a clean finish? "Become" the Reapers just on the off chance that the Cycle is a necessary thing after all? Or attempt to force an evolution that would, in theory, render the question of the Cycle irrelevant?

At its base, it's a question between:
1 - Ending the Cycle permanently
2 - Preserving the Cycle, just in case
3 - An alternative to the Cycle that might eliminate the cause of it

As for which is best for the galaxy, who can say? It's something we'll be bickering about for a long while, I'm sure.

Don't forget the TECHNOLOGY SINGULARITY!

---

1. Makes it pretty much certain.
2. Is a "not now" button.
3. Is a, well with foresight...

[AkiKishi]

That was the one ended up with. It just seems the sandwich with the least **** in it.

[Elite Midget]

I disagree, for me the only option is to kill as many as I can so they aren't forced to die from starvation and forced into incest breeding with no chance of rescue.

[AkiKishi]

themaxzero wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...


Well the people who'd want to become more human again won't last long, and will eventually be forgotten. Since everyone is also part organic, the children they'll have will be cyborgs as well, and those kids won't have anyreason to want to go back to being full organic.

As for the people who want to go back, they're philosophy will die out, and become unpopular, and maybe even a few of them will change their minds. Even if there is some issue at first, it won't last very long. Atleast not for a generation or so. 

Will it? It's a cultural thing. There's a very good risk of a full-on cultural divide. Kids on one half would grow up learning about how good it was to be human, and the other how good it is to be synthetic.

Kids are nutured by their enviroment. Yeah, some of them would change sides but anything that changes society that quickly and forced carried the risk of more than just a "temperary backlash" but a fundamental shift in how society interacts.

Yeah bit the synthetic side would actually be right. Again I point to the real world, prosthetic limbs, pacemakers and hearing aids. They are also working on a synthetic eye.

No backlash because they are not as good as the biological original. But what if they were? What if they were actually better?

http://www.runnerswo...12492-0,00.html

Posted that earlier.

It's all very DX:HR.