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[AkiKishi]

Elite Midget wrote...

I disagree, for me the only option is to kill as many as I can so they aren't forced to die from starvation and forced into incest breeding with no chance of rescue.

We can only theorise what synthetic parts they may get. But it's potentially not the disaster it would be for full organics.

[NovemEnuma]

I'm going control.

[Aesieru]

I'm going to go Control merely because it would fit the Paragon thought of Shephard that I made, of course, Shephard isn't a genius and so he's trying to give a backup button if they really need it.

I realize though, that the ultimate form of destroy is the best.

[jlb524]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

 I've been thinking about these endings a lot in my spare time, and the conclusion I've come up with is that Synergy is pretty much the best ending. 

With synergy/merge everyone becomes badass organic/mech hybrids, and therefor will get all the strengths of organic, and machine, with none of the weaknesses(Atleast I assume so). With their enhanced minds, and bodies, I feel galactic society will be able to recover significantly faster than if they stayed the same, and might probably be better off for it. 

Also it might help the Turians, and Quarians stranded on earth. Maybe with them being part machine they won't have to survive on organic foods so they won't end up dying of starvation/food poisoning, and can rebuild their population over there. Same with the Normandy crew. I mean the only real bad thing(that I can see) is that Shepard won't be alive to experience all this stuff, but frankly compared to all the benefits, I feel that it is a small price to pay.

Anyway I was wondering what you people thought about this.  

I agree.  It's also the best way to deal with the 'singularity' issue.

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.


Edit:  There's no way in hell the Synergy ending will ever be canon (if that concerns you) for the inevitable ME spinoff/MMO thing.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[AkiKishi]

Aesieru wrote...

I'm going to go Control merely because it would fit the Paragon thought of Shephard that I made, of course, Shephard isn't a genius and so he's trying to give a backup button if they really need it.

I realize though, that the ultimate form of destroy is the best.

Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Even with the best intentions you may end up having to restart the cycle.

Control is more of a stall than a solution.

[AkiKishi]

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

[Aesieru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I'm going to go Control merely because it would fit the Paragon thought of Shephard that I made, of course, Shephard isn't a genius and so he's trying to give a backup button if they really need it.

I realize though, that the ultimate form of destroy is the best.

Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Even with the best intentions you may end up having to restart the cycle.

Control is more of a stall than a solution.

True, but there is no solution in that game, Destroy inadvertently allows access to the reapers dead forms and thus reverse engineer away to UPLIFT technology in a way people aren't prepared for and which could lead to haphazard consequences.

Control is a good solution but in its end its the worst, Synthesis is more like a "well if we have foresight of the issue we won't make the same mistake", and Destroy is pretty much, ehh we won't do it, give me technology but kill those reapers.

Rationally, the vaporization version of Destroy which renders the planet Earth destroyed entirely is probably the best way to go even if it's the war assets fail version because it shows the sacrifice necessary to destroy thema ll.

Also, the Guardian didn't have control it had protocols that it was following, I think Shephard just kind of becomes a VI of sorts in that ending and he only really has the "send back until they see a need to come back" option.

Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[I_Jedi]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

Fine. Will anyone recognizable be seen after Shepard's death?

[NovemEnuma]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

I laughed REAL hard at this.

[wicked_being]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

Does it really have to be his body though? Won't the space magic work if he just cuts off his arms or legs...or pee on it? "My essence! Take it!" 

Why does he have to die?

[jlb524]

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

Yeah, I thought it needed Shepard's DNA so...why not throw in a lock of hair?  Or just cut off your damn hand?

[NovemEnuma]

jlb524 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

Yeah, I thought it needed Shepard's DNA so...why not throw in a lock of hair?  Or just cut off your damn hand?

Cuz, space magicks no work like dat.

[AkiKishi]

wicked_being wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

Does it really have to be his body though? Won't the space magic work if he just cuts off his arms or legs...or pee on it? "My essence! Take it!" 

Why does he have to die?

Jumping into the beam and being atomised looks cool?

I'd pay money to see a cinematic of Shepard peeing into the beam though. 

[Aesieru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

Does it really have to be his body though? Won't the space magic work if he just cuts off his arms or legs...or pee on it? "My essence! Take it!" 

Why does he have to die?

Jumping into the beam and being atomised looks cool?

I'd pay money to see a cinematic of Shepard peeing into the beam though. 

Acid in the urine would scramble the DNA.

[jlb524]

NovemEnuma wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Though, I'm not sure why Shepard 'has' to die.  Unless I'm missing something.

Shepards body is the blueprint for the "space magic".

Yeah, I thought it needed Shepard's DNA so...why not throw in a lock of hair?  Or just cut off your damn hand?

Cuz, space magicks no work like dat.

Oh yeah, I forgot.  Space magics can rewrite the genetic material of every organic across the galaxy, but can't figure out how to work with a tiny DNA sample 

BobSmith101 wrote...
I'd pay money to see a cinematic of Shepard peeing into the beam though. 

Hell yeah....especially FemShep doing it.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[SuperVulcan]

To me, destroy is the best option (SPOILERS) control of the reapers is what TIM wants and merge is basically what Saren wanted, so picking destroy to me, feels like I got what I fought for, which was preserving the indiviuality of humans and so on.

[Eclipse_9990]

Destroy would just end up starting the tech singularity thing again. It would take longer, but people start making AI's again, and getting screwed in the future. Destroy is bad in the short term, and the long term.

I would have to be crazy/extremely short sighted to choose that option.

[jlb524]

Arcian wrote...

So there won't be any stupid babies or weddings.

But also so that the Mass Effect franchise can die with the little dignity and respect it has left.

Then, why can Shepard survive the Destroy ending?

It actually makes more sense for Shepard to survive Merge and die in Destroy.

[Eclipse_9990]

Chassthemighty wrote...

I'm going with Destroy. At the end of the day, it's about freedom. Freedom to self-determinate your fate. If it so happens that one day it results in some sort of singularity (A concept that's frankly ridiculous), then so be it. At least it will have been a fate of our choosing. I won't force my views on how things should be done on the rest of the galaxy, nor will I loom over them with the threat of annihilation if they choose to do something I don't wish.

It does suck that the Geth, EDI, and the apparently "enslaved" Reapers are going to be victims of this, but it's the only way I can ensure everyone in the galaxy has the right to self determination. If at some point in the future, they all choose to become half organic/half synthetic, or cause some sort of singularity or something, it will have been done through their choices and actions.

My Shepard stands for the rights of all beings to self determinate, to choose their own fate. Even if synthesis might be the best fate over all, I refuse to push my decision upon the rest of the galaxy.

Freedom, baby.

What? This sounds absolutly  asinine. If you're gonna choose something as galactically devastating as destroy, at least choose it for a better reason than "freedom". And I still don't understand your point about that.

With synergy they would still be free, they can still make their own decisions, and advance in whatever ways they see fit. Also you acknowlage that Destroy could potentially **** everyone over, yet you would still choose that for some misguided notion of freedom? 

Lastly you do know that whatever the choice you're making you are pushing your decision upon the rest of the galaxy right? Yeah I doubt the average person would be happy about not having their tech anymore, and being stranded on some planet, dying of starvation, with out the potential of a way out. The billions, and billions of people in the citadel are pretty ****ing screwed as well in this scenario. 

Yeah I bet they would be real cool with it. Excuse me, I'm sorry if I sounded upset; it just really annoys me when people make huge decisions, and their only reason behind it is "freedom", and completely disregard important facts, and logic. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[The Great and Powerful Trixie]

Control is the route I'm going. If the reapers want to make a mess then you're damn right they're going to clean it all up. Rebuild the relays, and then fly them all into a sun when they're done.

[Aesieru]

The Great and Powerful Trixie wrote...

Control is the route I'm going. If the reapers want to make a mess then you're damn right they're going to clean it all up. Rebuild the relays, and then fly them all into a sun when they're done.

So you'll recreate their prison?

[Kabanya101]

Jackumzz wrote...

Since destroy is seemingly paragon, it will be my choice in my first playthrough.

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

None of them are real options.

Synergy: You force, against their will, every organic in the galaxy to become part synthetic. Not everyone wants to be cyborg, and who's to say people will still be "themselves" when part of their brain is machine? There are upsides to being human.

Control: You submit the trillions of minds contained in the reapers to continued slavery. They are tools to perpetuate the Cycle. The Guardian enslaved them before you. Shepard continues it. They are bound to your will for eternity. Cruel.

Destroy: You just wiped out the Geth, EDI, and all of the races contained inside the reapers.

They are just endings. None of them are the "Good" ending. None of them are the "right" ending.

There's going to be a high cost regardless of which choice. You're facing the greatest known threat the galaxy has faced thus far. Elimating the geth and EDI is a small price to pay for the relative saftey of the rest of the galaxy.

I have to agree with Jack the only "good" ending is to destroy. Control is outright cruel. Its like in Jade Empire controlling Death's Hand. Trillions of minds forced to repeat a slaughter every billion years or whatever. Something like that should never repeat itself.

The synergy is just plain dumb. Everyone would be part cyborg and have an escalated intelligence which would render most emotions useless because everything would come down to reason and facts. Being a cyborg would also slow or even stop the process of death. If nothing died then resources would be consumed to nothing. When people die the food they consume is given to the children that are born, but if they don't die, the consumption for food increases. Then eventually to the point that there are shortages.

Two AIs given to save the galaxy and to stop the reapers is enough in my book. Seriously, EDI and the Geth suck.

Modifié par Kabanya101, 03 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[The Great and Powerful Trixie]

Aesieru wrote...

The Great and Powerful Trixie wrote...

Control is the route I'm going. If the reapers want to make a mess then you're damn right they're going to clean it all up. Rebuild the relays, and then fly them all into a sun when they're done.

So you'll recreate their prison?

Sure. It's valuable technology and I have no moral qualms with using it.