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[Eclipse_9990]

Elite Midget wrote...

I disagree, for me the only option is to kill as many as I can so they aren't forced to die from starvation and forced into incest breeding with no chance of rescue.

Well with synergy you probably won't have to worry about starvation, or people having to resort to incest. Or if they did have to resort to incest they would be able to change things around, so they aren't born with retarded incest babies. 

[BatmanPWNS]

But I don't want to be part robot who uses logic instead of emotion. I like emotions better, damnit!

[Aesieru]

The Great and Powerful Trixie wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Great and Powerful Trixie wrote...

Control is the route I'm going. If the reapers want to make a mess then you're damn right they're going to clean it all up. Rebuild the relays, and then fly them all into a sun when they're done.

So you'll recreate their prison?

Sure. It's valuable technology and I have no moral qualms with using it.

So you will prevent the advancement of means outside that which the Reapers imprisoned you with. Good job.

[jlb524]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

But I don't want to be part robot who uses logic instead of emotion. I like emotions better, damnit!

I don't think it's an either/or type thing.

People will become more logical (which isn't a bad thing XD) but won't completely lose the capacity to feel emotions.

[Ypiret]

What's with people claiming Synergy will ruin humanity and turn everything organic into robot slaves. Does it actually explain the details of that option anywhere?

I just assumed it would make everyone more along the lines of Shepard after the first Mass Effect.

[Bentebent]

Aesieru wrote...

So you will prevent the advancement of means outside that which the Reapers imprisoned you with. Good job.

Because it's impossible to research alternative technology because the relays exist, hurpa durp:?

I'm going synergy, the fact that the technological singularity is implied to be bad with 100% certainty is ridiculous when it should in fact be considered more of an event horizon, it's impossible to know what would happen beyond that point.

[Eclipse_9990]

Kabanya101 wrote...


The synergy is just plain dumb. Everyone would be part cyborg and have an escalated intelligence which would render most emotions useless because everything would come down to reason and facts. Being a cyborg would also slow or even stop the process of death. If nothing died then resources would be consumed to nothing. When people die the food they consume is given to the children that are born, but if they don't die, the consumption for food increases. Then eventually to the point that there are shortages.

Two AIs given to save the galaxy and to stop the reapers is enough in my book. Seriously, EDI and the Geth suck.

I respectfully disagree! Just because people are more intelligent doesn't mean emotions take a back seat. There are plenty of emotional intelligent people, hell in ME2 EDI is smarter than everyone, but she still has emotions. "I would never kill you.. You're my crew mates..". Hell apparently EDI even falls in love with joker. "Love" is pretty much as emotional as it gets. Intelligence, and logic does not equal no emotion, or no feelings. 

Cyborgs slowing the process of death isn't a bad thing, the Asari live ridiculously long lives, and they made things work. Also recourses might not be that big an issue, with their enhanced intelligence they can start colonizing planets significantly faster than if Shepard had destroyed everything. Also who knows if all the species even need the same resources as they did when they were wholy organic?

Also with destroy, and everyone stuck on certain planets their is an even more risk of people killing each other for resources. Especially on earth. Humanity already ****ed up their environment, and probably mined all the useful resources there, plus now they have even more humans on the planet, plus different species as well?
They'd be running out of resources, and killing each so ****ing fast you don't even know. Atleast with Synergy they have a way out, and a way to make things work without bloodshed, or petty squabbles. Why? Because they actually have options. Instead of being stuck with nothing. 

BatmanPWNS wrote...

But I don't want to be part robot who uses logic instead of emotion. I like emotions better, damnit!

 

Oh God damnit.... Why don't people understand this? You won't be a robot, you will be a cyborg. HUGE difference, and you will still have emotions. Jesus Christ man..  

Also based on some of the posts in this thread, people can use a bit more logic in their lives. 

Ypiret wrote...

What's with people claiming Synergy will ruin humanity and turn everything organic into robot slaves. Does it actually explain the details of that option anywhere?

I just assumed it would make everyone more along the lines of Shepard after the first Mass Effect.

 

Exactly. People don't realize that.. Shepard is a bloody cyborg! Rebuilt with reaper tech I might add. 

https://encrypted-tb...SN2PWdTkAp8kdDA

See? Cyborg. Maybe with a few less scars though, and blue eyes instead of red.. 

Besides Shepard(your character I might add) is the blueprint on how this would work out. So like I said; everyone will just be like Shepard. And last time I checked Cyborg Shepard still has emotions.

Pure Paragon, and Pure Renegade Shep can attest to this. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[The Great and Powerful Trixie]

Aesieru wrote...

The Great and Powerful Trixie wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

The Great and Powerful Trixie wrote...

Control is the route I'm going. If the reapers want to make a mess then you're damn right they're going to clean it all up. Rebuild the relays, and then fly them all into a sun when they're done.

So you'll recreate their prison?

Sure. It's valuable technology and I have no moral qualms with using it.

So you will prevent the advancement of means outside that which the Reapers imprisoned you with. Good job.

You seem to think the races wouldn't just try to recreate the relays again. It would take much, much longer for them to do so without the help of the reapers. I'm in favor of speeding that process along. What's the point of struggling for thousands of years to create something you could have had at the very start? Do you want a pat on the back for plunging the galaxy into the dark age and bringing on the needless destruction of everything? Don't let morals get in the way of logical thinking.

[AkiKishi]

Ypiret wrote...

What's with people claiming Synergy will ruin humanity and turn everything organic into robot slaves. Does it actually explain the details of that option anywhere?

I just assumed it would make everyone more along the lines of Shepard after the first Mass Effect.

They will probably be like the Cylons from new BSG and since Shepard is the blueprint looking more organic than machine on the outside.

Its not like Borg where they are born organic and have synthetic bits welded on.

[UberLevi]

Really, all the choices are based off of the motives of specific characters.

Synergy - Saren's Solution
Control - Illusive Man's Solution
Destroy - Shepard's Solution

The way I look at it, Destroy is what Shepard's always wanted, and even though Synergy might play out better, or maybe even control, I think Destroy is the most fitting end.

[Balek-Vriege]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

What's with people claiming Synergy will ruin humanity and turn everything organic into robot slaves. Does it actually explain the details of that option anywhere?

I just assumed it would make everyone more along the lines of Shepard after the first Mass Effect.

They will probably be like the Cylons from new BSG and since Shepard is the blueprint looking more organic than machine on the outside.

Its not like Borg where they are born organic and have synthetic bits welded on.

I think that's the problem.  People are assuming the Galaxy will become the Borg (it's quite possible), but that's essentially what the Reapers are.  From what I have read it seems to be more Cylon like you say, with a built in knowledge about technological singularity and hopefully the intellect and wisdom to avoid it.

Another example would be a cybernetic version of a Dune universe Mentat (humans trained to be computers to avoid use of real computers for similar reasons as ME).  That way we get the benefits of AI without actually having true AI that threatens organic life.  In ME's case it would be like a universe of "Duncan Idahos" cybernetically enhanced.  Less emotion than their former selves, but still able to love, hate etc and are now uber geniuses.

[Eclipse_9990]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

What's with people claiming Synergy will ruin humanity and turn everything organic into robot slaves. Does it actually explain the details of that option anywhere?

I just assumed it would make everyone more along the lines of Shepard after the first Mass Effect.

They will probably be like the Cylons from new BSG and since Shepard is the blueprint looking more organic than machine on the outside.

Its not like Borg where they are born organic and have synthetic bits welded on.

I think that's the problem.  People are assuming the Galaxy will become the Borg (it's quite possible), but that's essentially what the Reapers are.  From what I have read it seems to be more Cylon like you say, with a built in knowledge about technological singularity and hopefully the intellect and wisdom to avoid it.

Another example would be a cybernetic version of a Dune universe Mentat (humans trained to be computers to avoid use of real computers for similar reasons as ME).  That way we get the benefits of AI without actually having true AI that threatens organic life.  In ME's case it would be like a universe of "Duncan Idahos" cybernetically enhanced.  Less emotion than their former selves, but still able to love, hate etc and are now uber geniuses.

Best. Mother****ing. Solution. 

[Vikali]

Is there an option to just let it happen?

[Aesieru]

Bentebent wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

So you will prevent the advancement of means outside that which the Reapers imprisoned you with. Good job.

Because it's impossible to research alternative technology because the relays exist, hurpa durp:?

I'm going synergy, the fact that the technological singularity is implied to be bad with 100% certainty is ridiculous when it should in fact be considered more of an event horizon, it's impossible to know what would happen beyond that point.

Unless a reason to try exists, you will not go outside the current means. History has proven this time and again.

[Bentebent]

Aesieru wrote...

Unless a reason to try exists, you will not go outside the current means. History has proven this time and again.

Indeed, never ever has there been anyone thinking outside of the box.

Ever.

[Aesieru]

Bentebent wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Unless a reason to try exists, you will not go outside the current means. History has proven this time and again.

Indeed, never ever has there been anyone thinking outside of the box.

Ever.

Unless a REASON TO exists, no there has never been such a thing.

Go open up a history book.

[Eclipse_9990]

KitePolaris wrote...

Is there an option to just let it happen?

"Let it happen?" No. Because there would have been no bloody point to playing the first two games. 

[Bentebent]

Aesieru wrote...

Unless a REASON TO exists, no there has never been such a thing.

Go open up a history book.

But there is a reason, to be able to go beyond the relays.

Smart guy you are, herpa derp

[Vikali]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

Is there an option to just let it happen?

"Let it happen?" No. Because there would have been no bloody point to playing the first two games. 

You could say that about Arrival, too. I'm just curious if they'll add a little easter egg in like that. An alternative with shep just going NOPE.

[Aesieru]

Bentebent wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Unless a REASON TO exists, no there has never been such a thing.

Go open up a history book.

But there is a reason, to be able to go beyond the relays.

Smart guy you are, herpa derp

Why are you acting like a juvenile with your juvenile comments? Seriously what intellectual capacity does the statement "herpa derp" infer other than that you are an idiot?

If you have a means of beyond FTL already and it works, you will see no reason to go past it and you fall into that trap.

[tangalin]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

I am going with this option makes the races no longer those races. You have in a way committed an even greater genocide as you have killed the 'soul' of every living sapient species. I agree that it is like Indoctrination, you have made a form of fused thinking husk of everyone.

I don't understand why. You would still be you. Except for the mechanical augmentations. There would still be individual species, but they would be better than before. Also you can't be a thinking a husk. A husk implies that theres nothing in there. If you're thinking you're not a husk. 

Also Shepard is a cyborg; has his soul been killed? Just think of it as everyone become like Shepard. 

With cyborgs, they still think for the most part like a human, they may think faster but not differently.  With Synthesis, you would view plants, machines, and even yourself differently.  In order to understand what a computer is thinking, this would require a vast restructuring of the mental process.  This isn't like listening to your neighbor discuss his life problems, it would be like trying to hear a computer talk in 1s and 0s and making sense of that.

We already have those, they are called "programmers". I am one of them lol

[egg_killer]

OP, I came to the decision that the destroy ending would actually be best for the reasons Legion explains in ME2 - that we should construct our own technology from the ground-up and not piggy-back on the technology of previous races eg the reapers. It gives us a clean slate to evolve and expand down a route that has not been predetermined for us.

[Bentebent]

Aesieru wrote...

Why are you acting like a juvenile with your juvenile comments? Seriously what intellectual capacity does the statement "herpa derp" infer other than that you are an idiot?

If you have a means of beyond FTL already and it works, you will see no reason to go past it and you fall into that trap.

But they don't have the means to go beyond the relays so your point is moot.

[Eclipse_9990]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

The relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither! I am a vision of the future Shepard, the evolution of all organic life!


Saren was right. (again he was right about everyone you know and love dying too)