Bentebent wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Why are you acting like a juvenile with your juvenile comments? Seriously what intellectual capacity does the statement "herpa derp" infer other than that you are an idiot?
If you have a means of beyond FTL already and it works, you will see no reason to go past it and you fall into that trap.
But they don't have the means to go beyond the relays so your point is moot.
Bentebent wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Why are you acting like a juvenile with your juvenile comments? Seriously what intellectual capacity does the statement "herpa derp" infer other than that you are an idiot?
If you have a means of beyond FTL already and it works, you will see no reason to go past it and you fall into that trap.
But they don't have the means to go beyond the relays so your point is moot.
Aesieru wrote...
FTL is not the relays, that's BEYOND FTL.
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Imperium Alpha wrote...
The relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither! I am a vision of the future Shepard, the evolution of all organic life!
Saren was right. (again he was right about everyone you know and love dying too)
Modifié par BobSmith101, 03 mars 2012 - 06:31 .
Bentebent wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
FTL is not the relays, that's BEYOND FTL.
Ok? The argument was about rebuilding the relays, which you said would be "imprisonment" due to causing the galaxy not to research new technolgy (no "need"). But as I just said, the need to go beyond the relays is there.
You. are. wrong.
BobSmith101 wrote...
Eclipse_9990 wrote...
Imperium Alpha wrote...
The relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither! I am a vision of the future Shepard, the evolution of all organic life!
Saren was right. (again he was right about everyone you know and love dying too)
[Snip]
If only we had listed we never would have had to see that T-800.
Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 03 mars 2012 - 06:35 .
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
I would argue that what kept galactic civilization from progressing wasn't the relays, but their dependence on the already-existing Relays. The Protheans and that one asari barmistress had the right idea; try to make your own Mass Relays. Once you get to the point where you can replicate the technology yourselves, you can then move beyond them and advance to a new level.
Aesieru wrote...
Bentebent wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Unless a reason to try exists, you will not go outside the current means. History has proven this time and again.
Indeed, never ever has there been anyone thinking outside of the box.
Ever.
Unless a REASON TO exists, no there has never been such a thing.
Go open up a history book.
Aesieru wrote...
arguing in this thread and most other threads in here is just a waste of my time, literally I see time moving by me.
royard wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Bentebent wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Unless a reason to try exists, you will not go outside the current means. History has proven this time and again.
Indeed, never ever has there been anyone thinking outside of the box.
Ever.
Unless a REASON TO exists, no there has never been such a thing.
Go open up a history book.
Right, because Shepard, who has more military might than ALL the races combined in control ending, cannot force everyone to develop new tech.
Bentebent wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
arguing in this thread and most other threads in here is just a waste of my time, literally I see time moving by me.
Weak.
Also, has there been any info on why the Reapers just don't shut down the relay network as was intended in ME1? Shouldn't be anything stopping them, considering they can just teleport the Citadel to Sol, with magic.
Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 06:49 .
BobSmith101 wrote...
royard wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Bentebent wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
Unless a reason to try exists, you will not go outside the current means. History has proven this time and again.
Indeed, never ever has there been anyone thinking outside of the box.
Ever.
Unless a REASON TO exists, no there has never been such a thing.
Go open up a history book.
Right, because Shepard, who has more military might than ALL the races combined in control ending, cannot force everyone to develop new tech.
That's so FFX Shepard will just become the new "Sin".
BobSmith101 wrote...
royard wrote...
Right, because Shepard, who has more military might than ALL the races combined in control ending, cannot force everyone to develop new tech.
That's so FFX Shepard will just become the new "Sin".
Modifié par royard, 03 mars 2012 - 06:52 .
Aesieru wrote...
You are assuming far too much without context, it wasn't magic, maybe it traveled through the damn relay for all you know.
--- He doesn't actually control it!
Zyrious wrote...
Destroy removes the relays, yes, but the main theme of Mass Effect has also been that reliance on the relays is what has been the downfall of every prior civilization.
royard wrote...
Zyrious wrote...
Destroy removes the relays, yes, but the main theme of Mass Effect has also been that reliance on the relays is what has been the downfall of every prior civilization.
Right, they totally failed due to their own error, because there were never any ridiculously powerful aliens slaughtering them at all.
Modifié par Zyrious, 03 mars 2012 - 06:57 .
Zyrious wrote...
I wish people would stop acting like "Destroy" Renders space travel non-existent. It doesn't. FTL still exists, space ships still exist, only all AI (including the reapers and relays as a result of the process) is destroyed. That's it. Earth will maintain contact with it's colonies. It takes 27 years with FTL to cross the galaxy, which is 100,000 lightyears in diameter. Most of Earth's colonies are much closer than that, and in the meantime those colonies can main tain trade with nearby worlds.
Destroy removes the relays, yes, but the main theme of Mass Effect has also been that reliance on the relays is what has been the downfall of every prior civilization. Now civilizations must adapt and "Find another way". They will survive. And in Destroy, they will find a way to survive WITHOUT having a MASSIVE change FORCED upon them. I am honestly surprised at how many people would willingly justify forcing Synergy on TRILLIONS, when billions have died in many wars to maintain ones own individuality, individual cultures and religions and ideologies, and many trillions more would rather die than suffer such a fate. Who are you to decide wether synergy is a better life for them?
Bentebent wrote...
Zyrious wrote...
I wish people would stop acting like "Destroy" Renders space travel non-existent. It doesn't. FTL still exists, space ships still exist, only all AI (including the reapers and relays as a result of the process) is destroyed. That's it. Earth will maintain contact with it's colonies. It takes 27 years with FTL to cross the galaxy, which is 100,000 lightyears in diameter. Most of Earth's colonies are much closer than that, and in the meantime those colonies can main tain trade with nearby worlds.
Destroy removes the relays, yes, but the main theme of Mass Effect has also been that reliance on the relays is what has been the downfall of every prior civilization. Now civilizations must adapt and "Find another way". They will survive. And in Destroy, they will find a way to survive WITHOUT having a MASSIVE change FORCED upon them. I am honestly surprised at how many people would willingly justify forcing Synergy on TRILLIONS, when billions have died in many wars to maintain ones own individuality, individual cultures and religions and ideologies, and many trillions more would rather die than suffer such a fate. Who are you to decide wether synergy is a better life for them?
27 years, that's a 54 year long roundtrip. Sounds awesome, really.
The main theme has not been how the relays themselves have been the source of the downfall but rather how the reapers lead development of space faring civilizations to in the end gut them in an elaborate trap. Who are you to decide which route evolution takes?
Zyrious wrote...
royard wrote...
Zyrious wrote...
Destroy removes the relays, yes, but the main theme of Mass Effect has also been that reliance on the relays is what has been the downfall of every prior civilization.
Right, they totally failed due to their own error, because there were never any ridiculously powerful aliens slaughtering them at all.
Again, it has been said across all 3 games that the relays were used so that all the races would develope along the technological path set forth by said powerful aliens so that people couldn't overpower the reapers with unique and possibly superior tech, because they become reliant on "Hand me down" technology, as it were. Destroying that forces every species to begin developing along their own path. Necessity is the key to invention. Reapers removed a lot of necessity.
royard wrote...
Zyrious wrote...
royard wrote...
Zyrious wrote...
Destroy removes the relays, yes, but the main theme of Mass Effect has also been that reliance on the relays is what has been the downfall of every prior civilization.
Right, they totally failed due to their own error, because there were never any ridiculously powerful aliens slaughtering them at all.
Again, it has been said across all 3 games that the relays were used so that all the races would develope along the technological path set forth by said powerful aliens so that people couldn't overpower the reapers with unique and possibly superior tech, because they become reliant on "Hand me down" technology, as it were. Destroying that forces every species to begin developing along their own path. Necessity is the key to invention. Reapers removed a lot of necessity.
Because you like reinventing the wheel? Seriously, necessity will arise in the future and people will invent new things.
Even if you destroy, which one is the easier path? Rebuilding the relay will be easier since there are so many reaper bodies lying around.
An evolution, which according to the cycle, is the natural way to go as it apparently always happens.Zyrious wrote...
If you use merge YOU are forcing a form of evolution on everyone. If you choose Control, as stated by xio, you are maintaining the Cycle, but delaying it. You can't just fly the reapers into the sun, you are still constrained by the protocols of the citadel. In Destroy, you remove the relays, maintain everyone's freedom and identity, and are allowing everyone to develope along their own technological path's. Thus, allowing more natural evolution of culture and tech, rather than the guided form by the reapers.
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Joescrab wrote...
Ruins the purpose of being "human" per se though... What's the point of living then?
It only ruins the purpose if it removes their capacity for individuality and free will, but in this scenario what's happening is that all organics are becoming partially synthetic... and all synthetics are becoming partially organic. Yes, that includes the Reapers, apparently.
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