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[GBGriffin]

sabere wrote...

I don't understand what's so mysterious about straight people being turned off by homosexual discussions. The constant droning by some people about alternative sexual orientation can be quite distasteful for those who don't swing that way. I don't start threads talking about my sex life, why do some people think everyone else is anxious to know about other people's sexual predilections?

If you want to sex up a dude, make a female character, if you want to sex up a girl, make a guy character. Sheesh, it's just a game folks.

I think the issue is that, for years, that's how it's been done. Same sex romances in a game, especially a role-playing series that allows you to emotionally invest in your character and LI, mean something to people, especially those men who want to "sex up a dude" or women who want to "sex up a girl" (as awful as I find that phrasing). It allows them that extra level of immersion so that a lesbian doesn't have to play a male Shepard to romance a female character, and a gay male doesn't have to play as a female character.

[sabere]

GBGriffin wrote...

sabere wrote...

I don't understand what's so mysterious about straight people being turned off by homosexual discussions. The constant droning by some people about alternative sexual orientation can be quite distasteful for those who don't swing that way. I don't start threads talking about my sex life, why do some people think everyone else is anxious to know about other people's sexual predilections?

If you want to sex up a dude, make a female character, if you want to sex up a girl, make a guy character. Sheesh, it's just a game folks.

I think the issue is that, for years, that's how it's been done. Same sex romances in a game, especially a role-playing series that allows you to emotionally invest in your character and LI, mean something to people, especially those men who want to "sex up a dude" or women who want to "sex up a girl" (as awful as I find that phrasing). It allows them that extra level of immersion so that a lesbian doesn't have to play a male Shepard to romance a female character, and a gay male doesn't have to play as a female character.

My guess is that as a business, it makes more sense for BW to skirt this isssue rather than address it head on since I don't get the sense that they're champions of specific causes and would prefer to be profitable than break even or lose money just to make specific social statements. 

I think for major social issues to be addressed by a for-profit company, they would probably have to come right out of the gate with a mission statement that they champion particular social causes, thus immediately capturing a target market without worrying about those who don't agree.

Modifié par sabere, 03 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[GBGriffin]

sabere wrote...



My guess is that as a business, it makes more sense for BW to skirt this isssue than head on address it since I don't get the sence that they're champions of specific causes and would prefer to be profitable than make specific social statements.

I certainly don't think of them as champions of gay rights. It really does translate into a business decision at the end, and I think they made a smart one by including the romances..

...and then a subsequent awful decision to make them just not matter in the end.

[push2play]

I mentioned this in another thread on this topic.

As cheesy, unrealistic, cringe worthy and nauseating as the dialogue is, at least for the first time in a game that I will play I can finally feel comfortable romancing an LI. There's nothing worse than be forced to pretend to care I like boobs and then be stuck with her all the while hoping she'll die any minute now so that I can resume whatever it was that I'd been doing until I had to suffer through that.

For this, I am eternally thankful to BioWare, even if it was just a business/PR decision that will drive up sales. From where I'm sitting, I couldn't care any less.

Modifié par push2play, 03 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[Kileyan]

push2play wrote...

I mentioned this in another thread on this topic.

As cheesy, unrealistic, cringe worthy and nauseating as the dialogue is, at least for the first time in a game that I will play I can finally feel comfortable romancing an LI. There's nothing worse than be forced to pretend to care I like boobs and then be stuck with her all the while hoping she'll die any minute now so that I can resume whatever it was that I'd been doing until I had to suffer through that.

For this, I am eternally thankful to BioWare, even if it was just a business/PR decision that will drive up sales. From where I'm sitting, I couldn't care any less.

I don't really care either way if same sex options are in games.

But really,  you were never required to choose a romance options or as a gay male be forced to choose an option that made you like boobies. I played these Bioware games for a long time, and didn't even know that there were these options. No one was ever forced to play against their sexual preferences,quite the opposite, you can complete every Bioware game to date, and never pick out a love interest.

No one was forced to love boobies as you put it:)

[Nathan Redgrave]

It's going to be several long lifetimes before this ridiculous attitude leaks out of society sufficiently enough that we can safely stop paying attention to it. Fortunately, most of the old-fashioned traditionalists who add fuel to said fire will die long before we young 'uns will. That's something that can be said of all antiquated misperceptions, actually.

As for the immature smuckwits who drag that trash into the current generation: shut up and stop spreading that rancid fail.

[Legendaryred]

I honestly don't mind if there are or not gay romances on ME3, I'm not against them because I'm not going to make those walkthroughs and is completely optional. If they add them then that's cool, it'll make somebody else happy, you know.

[Aurica]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

I never could understand why people cared what someone else did in their bedroom. Even more so in a game.

People judge one another to make themselves feel better or more superior.
Heck, humans are always fighting or arguing over something, if its not sexual orientation, its the color of your skin.  If its not the color of your skin, its the your religion. 

Modifié par Aurica, 03 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Eterna]

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

what is funny...is the very first thing you do in your post...is affirm your own sexual preference. It shouldn't even be relevant.

i say that in order to assure the same sex community im ok with there lifestyle


i just dont want to be labeled as a anti gay person so thats why i say what i say

thats another thing about todays society as a whole

if 1 or a few make a comment a whole group is judged and thats on both sides

i mean heh theres real world issues that need to be covered and they ( media) focus on a video game

As a gay Person I'll be the first to say, I don't give a crap if you're okay with me or not.  Still thanks for the support I guess.

  Also, don't worry about Fox news, in this day and age a report like that will do nothing but make them look idiotic. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 03 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[push2play]

Kileyan wrote...



But really,  you were never required to choose a romance options or as a gay male be forced to choose an option that made you like boobies. I played these Bioware games for a long time, and didn't even know that there were these options. No one was ever forced to play against their sexual preferences,quite the opposite, you can complete every Bioware game to date, and never pick out a love interest.

No one was forced to love boobies as you put it:)

I wasn't referring to ME or BioWare games, just talking general  There are plenty of games out there that force you down a certain romantic path or imply that the main character has a love interest, which I couldn't care any less about because they're female.

And you're quite right, no one forced me to love boobies, that is very true, but no one ever gave me a choice to love someone else either.  It was either love boobs or go stand rejected in the corner because you're a ****got. Fortunately, that is no longer a case, and for that I will always be grateful :happy:

[push2play]

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Modifié par push2play, 03 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

RamirezWolfen wrote...
I never could understand why people cared what someone else did in their bedroom. Even more so in a game.

I don't think it's really a problem about what happens in the room, but more about what comes around.
People's reaction (I don't speak about the one who exaggerate their comment) comes from what they see, and that video may be shocking for an homophobic person (and thrust me, you don't choose to be one. You can control what you do, not what you feel) as it's not happening "in someone's bedroom" but in front of you.
Other homophobic reactions often comes from the opinion that gender is important on things that matters, where generally those topics are already heated by many problems: for example child education where some people thinks gender matters and some don't also cause physical punishment flame wars.
Remember the difference between tolerance and acceptance.

[push2play]

I can sort of agree that a person may not choose to be homophobic due to a certain level of conditioning in their formative stage, but certainly no one is ever born with a predisposition to hate and any phobia can be treated, provided a person wants to be treated.

However, if one is prone to homophobia then they should not be watching these videos or choosing that particular relationship scenario whilst in-game. Unless they're masochistic too. Live and let live, etc.

[incinerator950]

No, a lot of gamers do need to grow up as well. However, if a century has passed where an author receives death threats because of Shurlock Holmes dying, then I don't see this species improving.

[Tsantilas]

As long as the male npcs don't hit on my male Shepard then I don't really have a problem with this. I'm ok with gay options in games, as long as they aren't overly in my face. I dealt with the male characters flirting with my femsheps in previous games so whatever.

[Ianamus]

Why are these people looking for gay sex scenes on youtube anyway? 

[Marta Rio]

I love how the Forbes writer says that the only "offensive" part about the "sex" scene is how chaste it is. I'm not a gay man, but even I watched the clip and was like, "Seriously Bioware, seriously? That's all they get after patiently waiting for 5 years???" Garrus's headbump was sexier than that scene.

[the almighty moo]

nobody would bat an eyelid if it was two ladies spooning topless.

having the option to be a bit "hello sailor" with your male characters is nothing to worry about. I have nothing against homosexuals, hell, my cousin is partial to a bit of man. But things like this is optional, if such things make you unconfortable, dont bother doing it in the first place.

Modifié par the almighty moo, 03 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[WarBaby2]

EJ107 wrote...

Why are these people looking for gay sex scenes on youtube anyway? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

It's called latent homosexuellity induced homophobia.

What I don't get is: Why is it always Mass Effect... nobody threw a queer (hehe) look at Dragon Age Origins, when the Warden knick knacked Zevran... is it ok when it is Dwarves and Elves, or what?

Modifié par WarBaby2, 03 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[Guldhun2]

WarBaby2 wrote...

What I don't get is: Why is it always Mass Effect... nobody threw a queer (hehe) look at Dragon Age Origins, when the Warden knick knacked Zevran... is it ok when it is Dwarves and Elves, or what?

Marketing. Controversy sells.

Modifié par Guldhun2, 03 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[Guldhun2]

Sparatus wrote...

What the hell are you talking about?

Yes they did!

Seriously, I think there has been some kind of outrage every single time a male S/S romance has been confirmed. Dudes just can't handle when a fictional man challenges their heterosexuality! Meanwhile, Liara is getting all up in my grill and I am getting mauled by the Consort because I asked for a reward

But you don't see me ****ing about it!

some kind of outrage


Could you show me an example of that outrage that is not standard trolling you get with everything.



You can't, since no "normal" person cares if there's gay sex/romance in videogames. As long as it's "in character" and not like they handled Anders in DA2

Modifié par Guldhun2, 03 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[Chassthemighty]

Next step, the inevitable Shepard/Harbinger romance scene! "S-s-stupid human it's not like I like you or anything!!"

Heh.

But in all seriousness, I'm happy for the GLBT whatever the heck it's called these days community. Good to see they're getting their share of attention in a LI, even if it is kind of crappy. I can see there being only straight romance options when there's like one or two LIs, but Mass Effect has like 10 or something. Always thought it was kind of ridiculous that we straight folk had such a wide array of options and those of the community who aren't got nothin.