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[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Hahahaha, you have no evidence. You have a person and a child walking under the moonlight, that's it. You're seeing what you wan't to see nothing more. Prove to me right now that those people are the normandy crews descendants. 

You've filled in the blanks yourself and are trying to pass it off as fact simply because yu expect the worst. 

Well, that's the problem. The ending is so ambiguous that people will fill the blanks themselves, until we get something official (or Word of God as TVTropes says it) on the Normandy crew's fate.

While it should have been a "definite ending that would leave more answers than questions and a satisfying conclusion".

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 03 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[GBGriffin]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Hahahaha, you have no evidence. You have a person and a child walking under the moonlight, that's it. You're seeing what you wan't to see nothing more. Prove to me right now that those people are the normandy crews descendants. 

  You've filled in the blanks yourself and are trying to pass it off as fact simply because yu expect the worst. 

At this point, people are headcanoning two different scenarios:

1.) They are descendants based on the fact that the celestial bodies in the sky are the same as the ones that are displayed when the Normandy crashes. This is, I believe, the more likely inference to make.

2.)  They are, in fact, on a different colony because the epilogue launches even if the Normandy hatch opens and no one comes out (death is implied). This seems less likely, because, to me, all that implies is that your main crew died. Lesser crew members could have easily founded a colony.

You're right. From that one video, I can't infer anything. Combined with the pictures from the Normandy crash landing, I can make a strong inference. If BioWare had intended it to happen any other way, all they had to do was make the crash location different, or change what appears in the sky. They didn't, so it invites a strong comparison, presumably on purpose.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

WHERE IS THIS VIDEO

[Eterna]

GBGriffin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Hahahaha, you have no evidence. You have a person and a child walking under the moonlight, that's it. You're seeing what you wan't to see nothing more. Prove to me right now that those people are the normandy crews descendants. 

  You've filled in the blanks yourself and are trying to pass it off as fact simply because yu expect the worst. 

At this point, people are headcanoning two different scenarios:

1.) They are descendants based on the fact that the celestial bodies in the sky are the same as the ones that are displayed when the Normandy crashes. This is, I believe, the more likely inference to make.

2.)  They are, in fact, on a different colony because the epilogue launches even if the Normandy hatch opens and no one comes out (death is implied). This seems less likely, because, to me, all that implies is that your main crew died. Lesser crew members could have easily founded a colony.

You're right. From that one video, I can't infer anything. Combined with the pictures from the Normandy crash landing, I can make a strong inference. If BioWare had intended it to happen any other way, all they had to do was make the crash location different, or change what appears in the sky. They didn't, so it invites a strong comparison, presumably on purpose.

 For all you know, it could be set in a very distant future in which the races have once again created technology that allows them to travel between systems and it`s just a random colony. 

[Oof]

Somebody PM me a video link. I am now curious.

[The Radical Centrist]

Eterna5 wrote...

Hahahaha, you have no evidence. You have a person and a child walking under the moonlight, that's it. You're seeing what you wan't to see nothing more. Prove to me right now that those people are the normandy crews descendants. 

You've filled in the blanks yourself and are trying to pass it off as fact simply because you expect the worst. 

No one is seriously suggesting that Bioware actually wrote something into the script along the lines of "...and then Kaiden nails his sister on the ruins of the Normandy," they're simply poking fun of the ridiculous corner Bioware wrote themselves into. Applying a bit of logic, the Normandy cannot possibly contain enough individuals to maintain a population without inbreeding occuring at some point. Everyone is just poking fun of a scenario that is, as of right now, appearing to be more than a little silly. Stop taking it so personally.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Eterna5 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Hahahaha, you have no evidence. You have a person and a child walking under the moonlight, that's it. You're seeing what you wan't to see nothing more. Prove to me right now that those people are the normandy crews descendants. 

  You've filled in the blanks yourself and are trying to pass it off as fact simply because yu expect the worst. 

At this point, people are headcanoning two different scenarios:

1.) They are descendants based on the fact that the celestial bodies in the sky are the same as the ones that are displayed when the Normandy crashes. This is, I believe, the more likely inference to make.

2.)  They are, in fact, on a different colony because the epilogue launches even if the Normandy hatch opens and no one comes out (death is implied). This seems less likely, because, to me, all that implies is that your main crew died. Lesser crew members could have easily founded a colony.

You're right. From that one video, I can't infer anything. Combined with the pictures from the Normandy crash landing, I can make a strong inference. If BioWare had intended it to happen any other way, all they had to do was make the crash location different, or change what appears in the sky. They didn't, so it invites a strong comparison, presumably on purpose.

 For all you know, it could be set in a very distant future in which the races have once again created technology that allows them to travel between systems and it`s just a random colony. 

Leakers/people(?) said that the boy asks when they'll go back to the stars and the old man says "someday". I haven't heard it myself, but so far, most things from them have been proven correct.

[GBGriffin]

Eterna5 wrote...

 For all you know, it could be set in a very distant future in which the races have once again created technology that allows them to travel between systems and it`s just a random colony. 

Same objects in the sky and the fact that they refer to "someday" being able to travel again in space suggests otherwise. But, again, this isn't the evidence that supports what you believe, so feel free to explain it away however you wish and ignore the facts as presented.

 

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

WHERE IS THIS VIDEO

 

Oof wrote...

Somebody PM me a video link. I am now curious.

There's no need for PMs. Links have been posted in the spoiler group, as well as on YouTube (I think you can actually search for Mass Effect 3 ending" now and see them come up)

As for the Normandy pictures, those are in the spoiler group, as is this discussion, which omes up with every new batch of deniers.


http://social.biowar.../&v=discussions 

Modifié par GBGriffin, 03 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[noxpanda]

Ive seen the little vid of this and tbh it all sounds horribley cheesy.

[Eterna]

GBGriffin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 For all you know, it could be set in a very distant future in which the races have once again created technology that allows them to travel between systems and it`s just a random colony. 

Same objects in the sky and the fact that they refer to "someday" being able to travel again in space suggests otherwise. But, again, this isn't the evidence that supports what you believe, so feel free to explain it away however you wish and ignore the facts as presented.

 

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

WHERE IS THIS VIDEO

 

Oof wrote...

Somebody PM me a video link. I am now curious.

There's no need for PMs. Links have been posted in the spoiler group, as well as on YouTube (I think you can actually search for Mass Effect 3 ending" now and see them come up)

As for the Normandy pictures, those are in the spoiler group, as is this discussion, which omes up with every new batch of deniers.


http://social.biowar.../&v=discussions 

There are no facts for me to ignore. The Star system looking familiar can just be a coincidence. 

[Rob_K1]

About the whole inbreeding thing and such, some quotes from Something Awful:

(User)

I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. Tank did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

(Leaker)


That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

(In the spoiler group, another user added some more thoughts to it that seemed to brighten a few people's day. Yet again, I will add that it's worth noting that the people who've actually played the game enjoyed the endings.)

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 11:47 .

[GBGriffin]

 

noxpanda wrote...

Ive seen the little vid of this and tbh it all sounds horribley cheesy.

 

No one is arguing that it sounds awful

Eterna5 wrote...



There are no facts for me to ignore. The Star system looking familiar can just be a coincidence. 

Sure. It can be, and I think people can headcanon it to be whatever star system they wish. In all honestly, I think I'm probably going to do this and just imagine it's a different colony even though my senses insist otherwise.

This ties in to my own personal studies of cinematography and the idea of the mis-en-scene and directing the audience to see what you want them to see. If they didn't want people to believe it was the same planet, or if they wanted to remove all doubt, all they had to do was change the sky in the endings. Then, there'd be no dispute, or at least not as much. They either purposefully or accidentally tied the two locations together by way of the scenery.

As it stands, it's either a poor design choice and they hoped no one would notice how similar the backgrounds look, or they really do want to plant the idea that the Normandy crash helped found a colony on the same planet, and that the two characters are, in fact, descendants.

[GBGriffin]

Rob_K1 wrote...

About the whole inbreeding thing and such, some quotes from Something Awful:

(User)

I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. Tank did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

(Leaker)


That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

(In the spoiler group, another user added some more thoughts to it that seemed to brighten a few people's day. Yet again, I will add that it's worth noting that the people who've actually played the game enjoyed the endings.)

I think this comes down to personal opinion in the end, because they really do leave room to believe either way. They just could have done a better job of making their intentions clear and not even inviting the argument by just changing the damn skyline

[Dark Specie]

GBGriffin wrote...
As it stands, it's either a poor design choice and they hoped no one would notice how similar the backgrounds look, or they really do want to plant the idea that the Normandy crash helped found a colony on the same planet, and that the two characters are, in fact, descendants.

And then, of course, there's the fact that they mention "The Shepard"...

[GBGriffin]

Dark Specie wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...
As it stands, it's either a poor design choice and they hoped no one would notice how similar the backgrounds look, or they really do want to plant the idea that the Normandy crash helped found a colony on the same planet, and that the two characters are, in fact, descendants.

And then, of course, there's the fact that they mention "The Shepard"...

Which is also true. If long distance space travel has been cut off and people hope to go to the stars "someday", it would stand that the people who would best remember The Shepard would be the ones who have had the full tale passed down like a story.

[Oof]

[quote]GBGriffin wrote...

[quote]Oof wrote...

Somebody PM me a video link. I am now curious.[/quote]

There's no need for PMs. Links have been posted in the spoiler group, as well as on YouTube (I think you can actually search for Mass Effect 3 ending" now and see them come up)

As for the Normandy pictures, those are in the spoiler group, as is this discussion, which omes up with every new batch of deniers.

http://social.biowar.../&v=discussions 

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[/quote]

I still can't find this old-man-and-boy video. And yes, I've looked on youtube.

Link to a thread that contains a link to the video, then? Thanks.

Modifié par Oof, 03 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Rob_K1]

I imagine it's possible that it does come down to personal opinion, GB.

Dark,

Regarding the Shepard thing, I wouldn't go off that. Shepard was/is instrumental in stopping the Reapers and allowing life to go on. So, it is fair to say that plenty of people on different planets will know of him.

There's also the fact that 'The Shepard' could be used to refer to a person who brought on a new age, free of the Reaper threat, though it's obviously quite logical to assume they're referring to Shepard. And heh, it's funny how I only just thought about this symbolism now with Shepard's name.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[Eterna]

Dark Specie wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...
As it stands, it's either a poor design choice and they hoped no one would notice how similar the backgrounds look, or they really do want to plant the idea that the Normandy crash helped found a colony on the same planet, and that the two characters are, in fact, descendants.

And then, of course, there's the fact that they mention "The Shepard"...

After what happened I`m pretty sure all of Humanity knows who Shepard is. 

[Kanmuru]

Eterna5 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Multiplayer optional LOL wrote...

Come on now lay off Eterna5 the kid can't take logic so bluntly. He'll start changing the subject again and god maybe even attempt to make fun of your username.

 Ironic, considering it's a serious lapse in logic to even come to the conclusion of inbreeeding. Do you really think Bioware would do that? Seriously? There is no evidence for it besides some old dude and a child walking on planet. 

Yes! You did it! You used the tried and true "BioWare wouldn't 'do this'" defense! It's amazing how more and more deniers try to keep using the same old arguments that are so full of holes.

If it's poor writing, or they didn't think it through enough, then, yes, it's entirely possible they just wrote it without thinking of the lasting consequences. To say they wouldn't "do this" is just silly. And, again, the conclusion for the colony isn't based solely on the video of the grandfather and grandson.

You just refuse to accept what's been presented as "evidence" because it doesn't fit what you think should happen.

Or, you still feel that BioWare wouldn't "do this".

 Hahahaha, you have no evidence. You have a person and a child walking under the moonlight, that's it. You're seeing what you wan't to see nothing more. Prove to me right now that those people are the normandy crews descendants. 

  You've filled in the blanks yourself and are trying to pass it off as fact simply because you expect the worst. 

Actually it has been proved they are not normandy descendants, even if everyone on the normandy dies, that scene still triggers...

[Dunmer of Redoran]

With all the plot "deficiencies" in the ending, have people considered that maybe, just maybe, the old guy and kid are totally unrelated to Shepard, and that Shepard never existed, and that the whole Mass Effect trilogy is a story within a story?

[Kanmuru]

DaftArbiter wrote...

With all the plot "deficiencies" in the ending, have people considered that maybe, just maybe, the old guy and kid are totally unrelated to Shepard, and that Shepard never existed, and that the whole Mass Effect trilogy is a story within a story?

No, the quote directly relates to the state of the galaxy after the ME3 ending. 

The problem is that the scene is there even if the entire crew dies, wich means they cant be normandy descendants

[GBGriffin]

Eterna5 wrote...


After what happened I`m pretty sure all of Humanity knows who Shepard is. 

You'd think that, but we also don't know how many years, centuries even, have passed. It could be legend status at this point, or maybe the descendants are the only ones who know the full story.

Kanmuru wrote...


Actually it has been proved they are not normandy descendants, even if everyone on the normandy dies, that scene still triggers...

That doesn't "prove" anything. It implies the people you, as Shepard, care the most about didn't survive. It doesn't say anything about the rest of the crew. This interpretation provides hope, however, and I'll probably work with it. 

[Rob_K1]

By the way, quoting another user from another thread:

http://social.biowar...7/index/9589109

That's another person who enjoyed the ending, though he does admit not everyone would like it.

The Last Guardian wrote...


Tom Chick recently finished Mass Effect 3. He gave his overall thoughts on the game, and the ending as well on the Quarter to Three podcast show.

To hear the discussion skip to the 52:00 mark: http://www.quarterto.../#disqus_thread

For people who are to lazy to listen here are the basic cliff notes of what he said;

-He said it was the best out of the three
-Really liked the gameplay and levels
-Really loved the overall narrative, and is really eager to discuss it further
-Was so good he wants to play again


His thoughts on the ending: He really loved the ending, and loved that Bioware took a interesting bold choice. Agreed that some people might not like, but he personally, loved it and felt it tied all the knots to the Mass Effect triology. A perfect conclusion of sorts.

[Dark Specie]

Eterna5 wrote...
After what happened I`m pretty sure all of Humanity knows who Shepard is. 

Maybe. But it'd make a helliuva lot more sense for a colony made from the crew of the Normandy and Shepard's squadmates to have a great deal of reverance for Shepard which would be passed on to future generations than some random cut-off colony out there somewhere in the galaxy.

[GBGriffin]

Rob_K1 wrote...

By the way, quoting another user from another thread:

http://social.biowar...7/index/9589109

That's another person who enjoyed the ending, though he does admit not everyone would like it.

The Last Guardian wrote...


Tom Chick recently finished Mass Effect 3. He gave his overall thoughts on the game, and the ending as well on the Quarter to Three podcast show.

To hear the discussion skip to the 52:00 mark: http://www.quarterto.../#disqus_thread

For people who are to lazy to listen here are the basic cliff notes of what he said;

-He said it was the best out of the three
-Really liked the gameplay and levels
-Really loved the overall narrative, and is really eager to discuss it further
-Was so good he wants to play again


His thoughts on the ending: He really loved the ending, and loved that Bioware took a interesting bold choice. Agreed that some people might not like, but he personally, loved it and felt it tied all the knots to the Mass Effect triology. A perfect conclusion of sorts.

I don't see why people interpret "enjoyed the ending" as meaning that it ends favorably. They may have enjoyed it for different reasons. For me, personally, it just doesn't do it. The writing inconsistencies and fate of the Normandy crew anger me, but maybe they didn't upset Tom Chick.

Sure, some people will enjoy it. As it stands now, though, many people clearly don't.