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[Dunmer of Redoran]

Kanmuru wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

With all the plot "deficiencies" in the ending, have people considered that maybe, just maybe, the old guy and kid are totally unrelated to Shepard, and that Shepard never existed, and that the whole Mass Effect trilogy is a story within a story?

No, the quote directly relates to the state of the galaxy after the ME3 ending. 

The problem is that the scene is there even if the entire crew dies, wich means they cant be normandy descendants

So? Old Guy could be making all this **** up.

[Kanmuru]

GBGriffin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


After what happened I`m pretty sure all of Humanity knows who Shepard is. 

You'd think that, but we also don't know how many years, centuries even, have passed. It could be legend status at this point, or maybe the descendants are the only ones who know the full story.

Kanmuru wrote...


Actually it has been proved they are not normandy descendants, even if everyone on the normandy dies, that scene still triggers...

That doesn't "prove" anything. It implies the people you, as Shepard, care the most about didn't survive. It doesn't say anything about the rest of the crew. This interpretation provides hope, however, and I'll probably work with it. 

The guy who actually played the game said that scene heavly implies noone on the ship made it alive. Have you seen the scene where they leave the hatch? I guess not, i prefer to trust the person who actually played it...

[mariatea]

Rob_K1 wrote...

About the whole inbreeding thing and such, some quotes from Something Awful:

(User)

I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. Tank did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

(Leaker)


That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

(In the spoiler group, another user added some more thoughts to it that seemed to brighten a few people's day. Yet again, I will add that it's worth noting that the people who've actually played the game enjoyed the endings.)

I will add to that there is nothing in the dialogue between grandfather and child that implies definite disconnection of this colony from the rest of the galaxy. "One day, my sweet." may as well imply that the child is too young for space travel and since it may be really remote colony kid possibly did not see any aliens yet. (heck he can be too young to have access to extranet, we have no way to prove that )

This also explains why there's no Liara's descendant. She just possibly got away from here along with other aliens and the colony became human-only. And in case the empty hatch, it could be that rescue team found the wreck of the Normandy and later people considered setting colony here since it have suitable enviroment.

Also considering "The Shepard" thing, one can say that it's happenning in very, very distant future, where events of that times have become more like legend. You know like asari and their prothean/goddes thing 
While actual events could be recorded, it sole Shephard characterisctics could've been lost therefore "as best we can tell"

Still it shows that the devs have been wrong with their statement that ending does not leave loose end as it is veeeery far from truth. It's waaay too open for interpretation

Modifié par mariatea, 03 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[Kanmuru]

DaftArbiter wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

With all the plot "deficiencies" in the ending, have people considered that maybe, just maybe, the old guy and kid are totally unrelated to Shepard, and that Shepard never existed, and that the whole Mass Effect trilogy is a story within a story?

No, the quote directly relates to the state of the galaxy after the ME3 ending. 

The problem is that the scene is there even if the entire crew dies, wich means they cant be normandy descendants

So? Old Guy could be making all this **** up.

Youre grasping at straws here. I cant debunk a unfalsifiable hypothesis...

[GBGriffin]

Kanmuru wrote...

The guy who actually played the game said that scene heavly implies noone on the ship made it alive. Have you seen the scene where they leave the hatch? I guess not, i prefer to trust the person who actually played it...

Fair enough, I haven't seen it in person, but what I don't understand is why you're trying to argue with me when I've admitted I'd like to believe that it isn't the same colony

All that happens is the hatch opens and no one walks out. Does it pan around inside and show the bodies of the entire crew? Nope. I've read about who it's designed/scripted to show, so by not showing them, all it does is imply that those characters didn't survive, not the entire crew.

[Rob_K1]

GBGriffin wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

By the way, quoting another user from another thread:

http://social.biowar...7/index/9589109

That's another person who enjoyed the ending, though he does admit not everyone would like it.

The Last Guardian wrote...


Tom Chick recently finished Mass Effect 3. He gave his overall thoughts on the game, and the ending as well on the Quarter to Three podcast show.

To hear the discussion skip to the 52:00 mark: http://www.quarterto.../#disqus_thread

For people who are to lazy to listen here are the basic cliff notes of what he said;

-He said it was the best out of the three
-Really liked the gameplay and levels
-Really loved the overall narrative, and is really eager to discuss it further
-Was so good he wants to play again


His thoughts on the ending: He really loved the ending, and loved that Bioware took a interesting bold choice. Agreed that some people might not like, but he personally, loved it and felt it tied all the knots to the Mass Effect triology. A perfect conclusion of sorts.

I don't see why people interpret "enjoyed the ending" as meaning that it ends favorably. They may have enjoyed it for different reasons. For me, personally, it just doesn't do it. The writing inconsistencies and fate of the Normandy crew anger me, but maybe they didn't upset Tom Chick.

Sure, some people will enjoy it. As it stands now, though, many people clearly don't.

Maybe it's the sort of thing where you have to play the game to the end and watch how everything plays out, instead of going off brief text summaries? Again though, he does acknowledge that everyone won't like the endings.

And no, I never said he meant it ended 'favorably', as in meaning it has a happy end. He enjoyed it though, meaning it was a good ending for the game and trilogy in his view, even if it may not have said happy ending. This would match what the other people who've played the game have said.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[GBGriffin]

mariatea wrote...



Still it shows that the devs have been wrong with their statement that ending does not leave loose end is veeeery far from truth. It's waaay too open for interpretation

If anything, I think we can all agree on this. They could have done a lot more to make it clearer, but they didn't through poor design and writing choices.

[Kanmuru]

mariatea wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

About the whole inbreeding thing and such, some quotes from Something Awful:

(User)

I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. Tank did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

(Leaker)


That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

(In the spoiler group, another user added some more thoughts to it that seemed to brighten a few people's day. Yet again, I will add that it's worth noting that the people who've actually played the game enjoyed the endings.)

I will add to that there is nothing in the dialogue between grandfather and child that implies definite disconnection of this colony from the rest of the galaxy. "One day, my sweet." may as well imply that the child is too young for space travel and since it may be really remote colony kid possibly did not see any aliens yet. (heck he can be too young to have access to extranet, we have no way to prove that )

This also explains why there's no Liara's descenant. She just possibly got away from here along with other aliens and the colony became human-only. And in case the empty hatch, it could be that rescue team found the wreck of the Normandy and later people considered setting colony here since it have suitable enviroment.

Also considering "The Shepard" thing, one can say that it's happenning in very, very distant future, where events of that times have become more like legend. You know like asari and their prothean/goddes thing 
While actual events could be recorded, it sole Shephard characterisctics could've been lost therefore "as best we can tell"

Still it shows that the devs have been wrong with their statement that ending does not leave loose end is veeeery far from truth. It's waaay too open for interpretation

Thank you for that, Its amazing how most haters didnt even play the game, while those who did think the game is amazing...

[GBGriffin]

Rob_K1 wrote...


Maybe it's the sort of thing where you have to play the game to the end and watch how everything plays out, instead of going off brief text summaries? Again though, he does acknowledge that everyone won't like the endings.

And no, I never said he meant it ended 'favorably', as in meaning it has a happy end. He enjoyed it though, meaning it was a good ending for the game and trilogy, even if it may not have said happy ending.

I believe that's what he means, yes. I'm just sad because, really, I know that based on my playthroughs of 1, 2, and now 3, I'll be "treated" to a shade of endings that I don't care for. Again, good for him that he enjoyed it. As it stands right now, I may enjoy the game, but I'll certainly hate where it leads.

[AkiKishi]

Maybe he's one of those inbred kids.

[GBGriffin]

Kanmuru wrote...


Thank you for that, Its amazing how most haters didnt even play the game, while those who did think the game is amazing...

*sigh* Because personal enjoyment is a subjective experience...of course people will enjoy it. I think they weren't lying completely when they said new players would, because they haven't had  2 games worth of time to get attached to anything in the universe.

So of course people will enjoy it. They just really killed the franchise for others.

[Rob_K1]

GBGriffin wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...


Maybe it's the sort of thing where you have to play the game to the end and watch how everything plays out, instead of going off brief text summaries? Again though, he does acknowledge that everyone won't like the endings.

And no, I never said he meant it ended 'favorably', as in meaning it has a happy end. He enjoyed it though, meaning it was a good ending for the game and trilogy, even if it may not have said happy ending.

I believe that's what he means, yes. I'm just sad because, really, I know that based on my playthroughs of 1, 2, and now 3, I'll be "treated" to a shade of endings that I don't care for. Again, good for him that he enjoyed it. As it stands right now, I may enjoy the game, but I'll certainly hate where it leads.

You will acknowledge that there is a chance of you liking the ending though, if the endings make more sense after playing the game and they make more sense with proper context etc.? I think people really should just wait and see.

Edit: What I'm saying is that it's okay to like the endings obviously, but just... it may be better once you've seen the game through to the end. Watching them and playing the game is not the same as reading brief text summaries at the end of the day. Or videos online without context.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[GBGriffin]

Rob_K1 wrote...

You will acknowledge that there is a chance of you liking the ending though, if the endings make more sense after playing the game and they make more sense with proper context etc.? I think people really should just wait and see.

I haven't cancelled my CE preorder, and I still intend to play through the game as the ultimate Paragon, exactly how I've done for the last 2. I plan to do as much as I can to achieve what I consider my "perfect playthrough" and, honestly, Yes, I expect I'll enjoy certain parts of the game. From what I hear, the combat is actually more fun this time through. I may even try a new class.

What I'm faced with is that, ultimately, it won't end on a high note for me, and even if the experience is enjoyable, that will certainly ruin it for me (I'd like to think that, surprisngly, I'm too much of an optimist for it to flatout kill it). Worse yet, if I replay the game, I'll get a very similar ending if I choose a different path.

I've basically gotten over my angry stage and have moved into acceptance of "Well, let's get this over with."

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Bioware reusing resources is nothing new but i guess in this case because of all the other failures of the ame people are noticing it more

[Dark Specie]

GBGriffin wrote...
I've basically gotten over my angry stage and have moved into acceptance of "Well, let's get this over with."

Yeah. At least we won't be getting the worst of it, since we're already expecting this kick in the groin from Bioware...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 03 mars 2012 - 12:26 .

[Kanmuru]

And i dont get why people complain about inbreeding, even if it was the Normandy crew they have 50 people on the ship. Its gonna take several generations until any inbreeding starts to happen and even then it wont be so bad because most recessive genetic illness are cured, so inbreeding wont be a real problem)

[AkiKishi]

Rakia Time wrote...

Bioware reusing resources is nothing new but i guess in this case because of all the other failures of the ame people are noticing it more

It's not quite on the level of 1 cave and 1 house yet. But yes, it's glaringly obvious.

[fosokles]

Here it is http://www.youtube.c...?v=PKyyIYKxCO8.

[Dark Specie]

fosokles wrote...

Here it is http://www.youtube.c...?v=PKyyIYKxCO8.

Let's hope Bioware won't be too quick to request it taken off Youtube

On the other hand, maybe there's not much of a point in them doing that now, with only a few days left...

[AkiKishi]

fosokles wrote...

Here it is
 
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKyyIYKxCO8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKyyIYKxCO8.[/quote[/url]]

[fayt002]

god i am a sap but i wish the little kid was asari and refered to the shepard as dad. would of made it abit better. well assuming liara was your love interest. but bioware doesn't seem to care about feelings

[MICHELLE7]

Can't really tell much from it but you're right if you look closely the proportions for the child do look somewhat...odd. Would have liked a closeup though.

[Multiplayer optional LOL]

Thanks very much for the videolink. Have updated the OP.

MICHELLE7: If you play it on your PC using the RAD player, you can see it in high resolution. Its very obvious that the 'kid' is just a minature version of the adult.

LAME.

[davidshooter]

There are three versions of the ending.

In one the Normandy is destroyed in space and everyone dies.
In the 2nd one the Normandy lands safely but the main character/s (Joker) is dead but the NPC crew have opened the hatch.
In the 3rd one the ship lands safely and Joker is alive.

These endings depend on your playthrough choices and are considered in order
bad
better
best

The ending where the hatch opens but no one comes out only makes sense if you assume the crew is alive to open the hatch. Otherwise it is the same ending as the first except the crew dies in a crash instead of an explosion.  People are just trying to find whatever they can to latch onto in order to "fix" the endings in their minds.

Modifié par davidshooter, 03 mars 2012 - 02:21 .

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

I haven't seen anything about the Normandy being destroyed in space. What is shown in-game then?

All 3 outros are what we have already seen, Normandy trying to escape and being hit by the blast.