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[Corvus Metus]

AllThatJazz wrote...



It isn't as though they're plunged straight back into the dark ages with no tech, no medicine, no knowledge, no firepower, doomed to eventually turn into the Gernsback crew. If, say, a group of us BSN'ers were to be stranded on some planet somewhere then, yes, many of us would probably stumble about hysterically, getting eaten by local wildlife . I'd have a little more faith in a crew of trained and armed professionals who (possibly, anyway) have an AI on their side ... 

Basically, this.  Hell, modern special forces can live on tree bark and their own urine.  I don't see how a trained crew with technology like the omni-tool which can turn a comic book into a laser gun would just give up, especially when the same people do have a deverse enough gene pool to last more than a few generations - at least long enough for the main crew itself to live a decent (if hard) life and have children to take care of them.

Not to mention that in a series that revolves around magical space portals that the idea of the drive cores or remains of the relays suddenly reactivating couldn't be the start of a new trilogy.

Of course, this is the BSN.  Doom and gloom are the only things that can exist.

[What a Succulent Ass]

MythicLegands wrote...

Uh because there DNA is completely different than then the other species(a simple fruit salad can cause them to choke and die)

Yeah, no. This is one if the things Mass Effect blows way out of proportion. Their bodies are simply unable to metabolise levo chirality foods. They wouldn't die, they'd just receive no nourishment.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 03 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Eterna]

kingsims wrote...

The Normandy mass effect core is fried and cannot ever be repaired. This means the Normandy has no power left. Garrus and Tali will be the first to die due to food issues and reproduction. So there would only be Asari and Humans on the colony that is if Liara decides to move on.

 Out of curiosity, do we have any proof of this? 

[AdrynBliss]

Random Jerkface wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Uh because there DNA is completely different than then the other species(a simple fruit salad can cause them to choke and die)

Yeah, no. This is one if the things Mass Effect blows way out of proportion. Their bodies are simply unable to metabolise levo chirality foods. They wouldn't die, they'd just receive no nourishment.

Dealing with the rules of our own real universe this is true but within the setting it is specifically stated in the codex that best case senerio is no nourishment, more likely is anapholactic shock.
Of course this is basicly just semantics as death is the result either way.

There is also no cornocopia tech in the setting, no matter convertors, they cannot create food ala star trek as evidenced by the use of military rations aboard ship, shep needing to go get ingrediants and some dialouge in ME2 which specifically states there is no cornocopia tech.
Combine that with the fact that the odds of landing on a planet with flora suitable for human consumption is astronomical and the idea of a colony suviving, more than how ever long the military rations hold out, is completely implausible.

Unfortunatly, any way you cut it, this ending suggests there was no attention to the level of detail that is through out all other aspects of mass effect and comes off as a terribly lazy ending.
They crash landed on a deserted planet and even though theres no way they could possibly do so they lived happily ever after the end :/

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 03 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Draconis6666]

Eterna5 wrote...

kingsims wrote...

The Normandy mass effect core is fried and cannot ever be repaired. This means the Normandy has no power left. Garrus and Tali will be the first to die due to food issues and reproduction. So there would only be Asari and Humans on the colony that is if Liara decides to move on.

 Out of curiosity, do we have any proof of this? 

No, In fact codex entries specificaly state that most power on the normandy comes from a nuclear fusion plant which has nothign to do with the mass effect core.

[xtorma]

don't they use hydrogen 3 for fuel in the fussion drive? if they do , then it would be designed for this, and i don't think they would have the resources or manufacturing capabilities to convert it to something else.

[Draconis6666]

xtorma wrote...

don't they use hydrogen 3 for fuel in the fussion drive? if they do , then it would be designed for this, and i don't think they would have the resources or manufacturing capabilities to convert it to something else.

Hard to say, the exact manufacturing capabilities of the normandy are unknown we know it can manufacture weapons. As far as the HE3 goes codex only states that HE3 and Hydrogen are used as fuel and propelant for starship engines, but these engines also somehow operate by venting plasma from the fusion plant so if its saying the he3 is used as fuel for the fusion plant to create the plasma or of its used for something else in the reaction completely outside that who knows.

Nor do we have the slightest idea how long the fusion plant can power just basic systems like electricity and such without needing to be refuled. It could very well have a lifespan of decades or more if it is not being used for the engines.

[IanPolaris]

Corvus Metus wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...



It isn't as though they're plunged straight back into the dark ages with no tech, no medicine, no knowledge, no firepower, doomed to eventually turn into the Gernsback crew. If, say, a group of us BSN'ers were to be stranded on some planet somewhere then, yes, many of us would probably stumble about hysterically, getting eaten by local wildlife . I'd have a little more faith in a crew of trained and armed professionals who (possibly, anyway) have an AI on their side ... 

Basically, this.  Hell, modern special forces can live on tree bark and their own urine.  I don't see how a trained crew with technology like the omni-tool which can turn a comic book into a laser gun would just give up, especially when the same people do have a deverse enough gene pool to last more than a few generations - at least long enough for the main crew itself to live a decent (if hard) life and have children to take care of them.

This is a gross exaggeration at best.  In the case of our modern special forces, they are trained to use and make use of sub-standard gear for a limited period of time and even then, human urine and "tree bark" (and you'd better get the right kind....the wrong treebark will kill you) has the same basic biology of human beings....something that isn't true in general in the Mass Effect Universe.  The fact is that it takes a certain degree of genetic engineering even for planned colonies in order to keep fed.  With a crashlanded Normandy that may not (and probably will not) have the needed resources, it could be nearly impossible.

Not to mention that in a series that revolves around magical space portals that the idea of the drive cores or remains of the relays suddenly reactivating couldn't be the start of a new trilogy.

This is unfounded speculation on your part especially given in the billions of years that the galaxy has existed, no one other than the Reapers ever made a full blown relay system, and the Protheans were the only other race that even had an inkling of Relay technology other than the Reapers themselves.  That suggests it's hard to impossible to independantly rediscover them...and even if they do, it would take decades if not centuries to get to the needed places and rebuild them....and the stranded SSV Normandy Crew doesn't have that long.

Of course, this is the BSN.  Doom and gloom are the only things that can exist.

To quote Wrex, "Don't [urinate] in my ear and tell me it's raining."  In fact in this particular case, the science and in-game technical codex entries seem pretty firmly on the side of "The Normandy Crew is completely hosed."

-Polaris

[Draconis6666]

IanPolaris wrote...




This is unfounded speculation on your part especially given in the billions of years that the galaxy has existed, no one other than the Reapers ever made a full blown relay system, and the Protheans were the only other race that even had an inkling of Relay technology other than the Reapers themselves.  That suggests it's hard to impossible to independantly rediscover them...and even if they do, it would take decades if not centuries to get to the needed places and rebuild them....and the stranded SSV Normandy Crew doesn't have that long.
nical codex entries seem pretty firmly on the side of "The Normandy Crew is completely hosed."

-Polaris

The conversation with Atheyta makes it possible that the Asari have the capability and understanding to possibly construct their own relays but chose not to. When you know what the Asari's big evil secret is this is not all that hard to fathom as a possibility.

[Kanmuru]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

You know as much as inbreeding causes higher chances of deformed childrens. Its also has an equally higher chance of producing as prodigious children. Depending on the genelogy of the parents.


Those children can be deformed mutants or prodigal geniuses. Both are equally viable.

Even if theres in only 50 people on the crew, it would take several generations until any harmfull effects of inbreeding star showing, they can easlky be rescued before that,

And dont forget most genetic illness were cured in mass effect (except for rare cases like joker). So inbreeding wouldnt be much of a problem cause bad recessive genes were removed the gene pool already

[Elite Midget]

MythicLegands wrote...

Uh because there DNA is completely different than then the other species(a simple fruit salad can cause them to choke and die) and if the humans colonized the world, means that the planet was not dextro based. And beside why would you want to live on a planet of inbreds.

I think the moral of the story that Bioware is trying to tell us is...

Forcing Women to become baby making machines and inbreeding over many generations is the future.

[wicked_being]

Corvus Metus wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...



It isn't as though they're plunged straight back into the dark ages with no tech, no medicine, no knowledge, no firepower, doomed to eventually turn into the Gernsback crew. If, say, a group of us BSN'ers were to be stranded on some planet somewhere then, yes, many of us would probably stumble about hysterically, getting eaten by local wildlife . I'd have a little more faith in a crew of trained and armed professionals who (possibly, anyway) have an AI on their side ... 

Basically, this.  Hell, modern special forces can live on tree bark and their own urine.  I don't see how a trained crew with technology like the omni-tool which can turn a comic book into a laser gun would just give up, especially when the same people do have a deverse enough gene pool to last more than a few generations - at least long enough for the main crew itself to live a decent (if hard) life and have children to take care of them.

Not to mention that in a series that revolves around magical space portals that the idea of the drive cores or remains of the relays suddenly reactivating couldn't be the start of a new trilogy.

Of course, this is the BSN.  Doom and gloom are the only things that can exist.

Unless anything from that planet, if ingested, would cause neural decay like it did to the crew of the Hugo Gernsback. I mean their supplies can't last forever. Unless of course their omni tool has a distilling feature which would remove the harmful effects and make local plants and animals safe to consume.

Modifié par wicked_being, 03 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Guldhun2]

Kanmuru wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

You know as much as inbreeding causes higher chances of deformed childrens. Its also has an equally higher chance of producing as prodigious children. Depending on the genelogy of the parents.


Those children can be deformed mutants or prodigal geniuses. Both are equally viable.

Even if theres in only 50 people on the crew, it would take several generations until any harmfull effects of inbreeding star showing, they can easlky be rescued before that,

And dont forget most genetic illness were cured in mass effect (except for rare cases like joker). So inbreeding wouldnt be much of a problem cause bad recessive genes were removed the gene pool already

You do know that all the mass relays will be destroyed, right? And there's only like 20 crew.

[Hyrist]

K. you can all be negative Nancy and decide they inbreed and starve - you never get told the Alliance Normandy's full crew compliment, but it's ok.

Team Dextro decides to drive wooden steaks through their heads, cause, you know, absolutely nothing works anymore - not even guns people's brains.

It's all one horrible, horrible ending and you should feel really really bad and rage to the point of quitting BSN forever.

Or... you can just skip to quiting BSN forever and spare us this incessant whining.

[Guldhun2]

Hyrist wrote...
It's all one horrible, horrible ending and you should feel really really bad and rage to the point of quitting BSN forever.

Or... you can just skip to quiting BSN forever and spare us this incessant whining.

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[Elite Midget]

Hyrist wrote...

K. you can all be negative Nancy and decide they inbreed and starve - you never get told the Alliance Normandy's full crew compliment, but it's ok.

Team Dextro decides to drive wooden steaks through their heads, cause, you know, absolutely nothing works anymore - not even guns people's brains.

It's all one horrible, horrible ending and you should feel really really bad and rage to the point of quitting BSN forever.

Or... you can just skip to quiting BSN forever and spare us this incessant whining.

No, it's our duty to remind arrogant haters like you when Biowares next game ends up being worse than DA2 and ME3 combined. You're enabling Bioware, kinda hard for them to fix their faults if there are people like you that will take anything thrown at you and beg for more after your eye pops out of your socket.

[Kanmuru]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

You know as much as inbreeding causes higher chances of deformed childrens. Its also has an equally higher chance of producing as prodigious children. Depending on the genelogy of the parents.


Those children can be deformed mutants or prodigal geniuses. Both are equally viable.

Even if theres in only 50 people on the crew, it would take several generations until any harmfull effects of inbreeding star showing, they can easlky be rescued before that,

And dont forget most genetic illness were cured in mass effect (except for rare cases like joker). So inbreeding wouldnt be much of a problem cause bad recessive genes were removed the gene pool already

You do know that all the mass relays will be destroyed, right? And there's only like 20 crew.

FTL, in a few centuries the entire galaxy will be reexplored (it takes 27 years of travel the entire diameter of the galaxy with eezo based FTL, and dont forget that the average human lifespam is 150 years). The galaxy is not doomed.

There is dialogue with dianna allers (chobot) where she says there are 50 people on the normandy...

[Elite Midget]

Kanmuru wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

You know as much as inbreeding causes higher chances of deformed childrens. Its also has an equally higher chance of producing as prodigious children. Depending on the genelogy of the parents.


Those children can be deformed mutants or prodigal geniuses. Both are equally viable.

Even if theres in only 50 people on the crew, it would take several generations until any harmfull effects of inbreeding star showing, they can easlky be rescued before that,

And dont forget most genetic illness were cured in mass effect (except for rare cases like joker). So inbreeding wouldnt be much of a problem cause bad recessive genes were removed the gene pool already

You do know that all the mass relays will be destroyed, right? And there's only like 20 crew.

FTL, in a few centuries the entire galaxy will be reexplored (it takes 27 years of travel the entire diameter of the galaxy with eezo based FTL, and dont forget that the average human lifespam is 150 years). The galaxy is not doomed.

There is dialogue with dianna allers (chobot) where she says there are 50 people on the normandy...

The last scene is like 100,000 years later and the Grandpa mentions that they can't even go to others stars yet even after all that time. The Normandy Crew doesn't stand a chance.

[Femlob]

None of this changes the fact that the Normandy's fate is a contrived piece of shit that should never have taken place.

[Hyrist]

Elite Midget wrote...

No, it's our duty to remind arrogant haters like you when Biowares next game ends up being worse than DA2 and ME3 combined. You're enabling Bioware, kinda hard for them to fix their faults if there are people like you that will take anything thrown at you and beg for more after your eye pops out of your socket.

I've stated this before, but it can use repeating.

Games are consitered the 'greatest' when they apeal to a niche audiences. The broader the 'appeal' the more watered down an experience people receive, and the more incessant, explosive hate goes in the forums. So yeah, this forum can afford to shed a few fans.

But go ahead, generalize me. I can do the same directly to you. I've my own reservations to this game, but unlike the incredible whining on these boards. I'm actually going to wait until I've played the game a few times before submitting my feedback, like I did with DA2. And it will actually be presented with a bit of professionalism, instead of a tantrum that's about as coherant as a 3 year old with a broken toy.

[Kanmuru]

Elite Midget wrote...

The last scene is like 100,000 years later and the Grandpa mentions that they can't even go to others stars yet even after all that time. The Normandy Crew doesn't stand a chance.

lol who told you that? 100k years? The old man could just be a member of the normandi crew, there is no evidence to assert that its tousands of years after the story ending.

[Elite Midget]

Femlob wrote...

None of this changes the fact that the Normandy's fate is a contrived piece of shit that should never have taken place.

Bioware doesn't care anymore just as long as they get paid. If the sales drop off as bad as DAII did than maybe they might start careing, maybe. Though do note their care wont be real. It's all about the cashflow, fans never matteruntil they stop paying them for everything they throw out.

The Bioware that brought you things like Mass Effect and KoTR no longer exists. The path they're walking isn't the one you expected, now you have a choice on either joining others in getting Bioware back on track or swallowing your dignity and hope Bioware's wayard train takes you to the right destination.

[Elite Midget]

Kanmuru wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

The last scene is like 100,000 years later and the Grandpa mentions that they can't even go to others stars yet even after all that time. The Normandy Crew doesn't stand a chance.

lol who told you that? 100k years? The old man could just be a member of the normandi crew, there is no evidence to assert that its tousands of years after the story ending.

Different planet. He's looking at what is believed to be Earth. 

[Elite Midget]

Hyrist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

No, it's our duty to remind arrogant haters like you when Biowares next game ends up being worse than DA2 and ME3 combined. You're enabling Bioware, kinda hard for them to fix their faults if there are people like you that will take anything thrown at you and beg for more after your eye pops out of your socket.

I've stated this before, but it can use repeating.

Games are consitered the 'greatest' when they apeal to a niche audiences. The broader the 'appeal' the more watered down an experience people receive, and the more incessant, explosive hate goes in the forums. So yeah, this forum can afford to shed a few fans.

But go ahead, generalize me. I can do the same directly to you. I've my own reservations to this game, but unlike the incredible whining on these boards. I'm actually going to wait until I've played the game a few times before submitting my feedback, like I did with DA2. And it will actually be presented with a bit of professionalism, instead of a tantrum that's about as coherant as a 3 year old with a broken toy.

Bioware isn't appealing top a niche audience and isn't making niche titles nor are they a niche developer. As I said once before I shall say again. Bioware screwed themselves with the variables and as I predicted that by trying to appease everyone they angered nearly everyone when they realized that they messed up bad. DAII is also still hot in the minds of may fans who held out hope that Bioware wouldn't mess up with their star trilogy. They will find that this will be DAII all over again after the hype dies and Fans wise up to the bitter truth.


Sorry if I hurt your feelings but I can't stand those that will take anything thrown at them and praise it as the best thing since slice bread and belittle everyone that gets angry that they were fed many lies over the period of many years.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 03 mars 2012 - 02:39 .