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[AllThatJazz]

Elite Midget wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

You know as much as inbreeding causes higher chances of deformed childrens. Its also has an equally higher chance of producing as prodigious children. Depending on the genelogy of the parents.


Those children can be deformed mutants or prodigal geniuses. Both are equally viable.

Even if theres in only 50 people on the crew, it would take several generations until any harmfull effects of inbreeding star showing, they can easlky be rescued before that,

And dont forget most genetic illness were cured in mass effect (except for rare cases like joker). So inbreeding wouldnt be much of a problem cause bad recessive genes were removed the gene pool already

You do know that all the mass relays will be destroyed, right? And there's only like 20 crew.

FTL, in a few centuries the entire galaxy will be reexplored (it takes 27 years of travel the entire diameter of the galaxy with eezo based FTL, and dont forget that the average human lifespam is 150 years). The galaxy is not doomed.

There is dialogue with dianna allers (chobot) where she says there are 50 people on the normandy...

The last scene is like 100,000 years later and the Grandpa mentions that they can't even go to others stars yet even after all that time. The Normandy Crew doesn't stand a chance.

Is it definitely the same planet? If it is (as Xoisite seemed to think), and it's that long after and they still can't do space travel,  then either there were people there already when the Normandy crashed (so no inbreeding issues, no problems finding food), or there weren't and these are the descendants of the Normandy crew, which would seem to indicate no inbreeding problems and no problems finding food. Team Dextro is the exception of course, although the Normandy crew could well find some way to keep Tali and Garrus going. If it isn't the same planet (seems unlikely), then who knows what happened to the crew? They may not have been stranded for that long at all. Tali the tech genius might have cobbled together a new FTL ship (quite quickly, since she's d****d hungry by now ) and the crew sets off in search of home. ME4 might involve an aged and decrepit Normandy crew and Shep searching the stars for each other ...  sounds good, ja? 

I do agree that the ending with regard to the Normandy hasn't been terribly well thought-out, but I don't believe the crew should be written off entirely ...

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 03 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[Hyrist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware doesn't care anymore just as long as they get paid. If the sales drop off as bad as DAII did than maybe they might start careing, maybe. Though do note their care wont be real. It's all about the cashflow, fans never matteruntil they stop paying them for everything they throw out.

The Bioware that brought you things like Mass Effect and KoTR no longer exists. The path they're walking isn't the one you expected, now you have a choice on either joining others in getting Bioware back on track or swallowing your dignity and hope Bioware's wayard train takes you to the right destination.

Wow, you really think a lot of yourself, don't you.

Excuse me that some people remember that the games of our childhood. Forgive us if we remember that incomplete games with terrible graphics, no coherant story at all, blocky controls and an absolutely miserable ending. Can still be amazingly fun.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't slip into misery mode because the ending isn't ripped straight out of the anus of Hollywood scriptwriting.

[Kanmuru]

Elite Midget wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

The last scene is like 100,000 years later and the Grandpa mentions that they can't even go to others stars yet even after all that time. The Normandy Crew doesn't stand a chance.

lol who told you that? 100k years? The old man could just be a member of the normandi crew, there is no evidence to assert that its tousands of years after the story ending.

Different planet. He's looking at what is believed to be Earth. 

I dont remember earth having two moons... And i agreee that it could be a completely diferrent planet (imo the kid will the protagonist for ME4). Im just going on the assumption that even if they were the descendants of the normandy, the situation is not as hopeless as people here want to believe

The SA guy he wasnt even sure it was the same planet: 

Buddy Holly posted:

 I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. Tank did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card. 

 That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever. 

That's my two cents on the matter.

Modifié par Kanmuru, 03 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[CerberusSoldier]

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

[Multiplayer optional LOL]

The 'kid' in the outro doesn't even look like a freakin' kid. He's got a head to body ratio of 1:7. In otherwords, he's a really really tiny adult.

[Elite Midget]

Kanmuru wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

The last scene is like 100,000 years later and the Grandpa mentions that they can't even go to others stars yet even after all that time. The Normandy Crew doesn't stand a chance.

lol who told you that? 100k years? The old man could just be a member of the normandi crew, there is no evidence to assert that its tousands of years after the story ending.

Different planet. He's looking at what is believed to be Earth. 

I dont remember earth having two moons... And i agreee that it could be a completely diferrent planet (imo the kid will the protagonist for ME4). Im just going on the assumption that even if they were the descendants of the normandy, the situation is not as hopeless as people here want to believe

The SA guy he wasnt even sure it was the same planet... 

There will be no ME4, the ME Universe that everyone knew and love is dead. The game that is released after wards will have no real connection to the first 3 games and many of the races, lore, and the such wont matter or even be acknowledged since much of it could be wiped out anyway.

If Bioware is arrogant enough to make a game called ME4 that has nothing in common with anything from ME1-3 other than the Reapers lost and Humans are still trying to fix Earth than they will find their sales wont be anywher near as high as they expected. What Bioware did basically killed the ME Universe, what's left wont be ME. Not to those that actually got invested in the ME Universe before Bioware imploded everything to the dark ages.

[incinerator950]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

I'm amazed they weren't destroyed sooner. 

[Kanmuru]

Elite Midget wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

The last scene is like 100,000 years later and the Grandpa mentions that they can't even go to others stars yet even after all that time. The Normandy Crew doesn't stand a chance.

lol who told you that? 100k years? The old man could just be a member of the normandi crew, there is no evidence to assert that its tousands of years after the story ending.

Different planet. He's looking at what is believed to be Earth. 

I dont remember earth having two moons... And i agreee that it could be a completely diferrent planet (imo the kid will the protagonist for ME4). Im just going on the assumption that even if they were the descendants of the normandy, the situation is not as hopeless as people here want to believe

The SA guy he wasnt even sure it was the same planet... 

There will be no ME4, the ME Universe that everyone knew and love is dead. The game that is released after wards will have no real connection to the first 3 games and many of the races, lore, and the such wont matter or even be acknowledged since much of it could be wiped out anyway.

If Bioware is arrogant enough to make a game called ME4 that has nothing in common with anything from ME1-3 other than the Reapers lost and Humans are still trying to fix Earth than they will find their sales wont be anywher near as high as they expected. What Bioware did basically killed the ME Universe, what's left wont be ME. Not to those that actually got invested in the ME Universe before Bioware imploded everything to the dark ages.

I would probably buy it and it could be really good. Sorry you wont be here to enjoy a good game 

Oh wait youre not leaving are you...<_<

[CerberusSoldier]

Multiplayer optional LOL wrote...

The 'kid' in the outro doesn't even look like a freakin' kid. He's got a head to body ratio of 1:7. In otherwords, he's a really really tiny adult.

   



In V The Final Battle . there was this thing called the Star Child who is a hybrid alien and human child . I am thinking the kid at the end of 3 is exactly that a Star Child

[InHarmsWay]

Pobatti wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Pobatti wrote...

So why can't they continue to replicate the same food they ate on the Normandy?

Because Shepard destroyed all the space magic.

All I saw being destroyed were the Reapers, Mass Relays and the Citadel. While you could say that pretty much everything uses some form of mass effect technology, not everything would have been destroyed - otherwise Liara and Kaiden's heads would have exploded, guns and armor would be useless, all the ships around the Earth would have been rendered inoperative and all plunged to Earth or their life support systems failed...

I think it's just the Reaper tech that responded to whatever it was Shepard did.

You are correct. All that gets destroy are the relays, reapers and Citadel. All FTL and eezo tech is left intact.

[Elite Midget]

Hyrist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware doesn't care anymore just as long as they get paid. If the sales drop off as bad as DAII did than maybe they might start careing, maybe. Though do note their care wont be real. It's all about the cashflow, fans never matteruntil they stop paying them for everything they throw out.

The Bioware that brought you things like Mass Effect and KoTR no longer exists. The path they're walking isn't the one you expected, now you have a choice on either joining others in getting Bioware back on track or swallowing your dignity and hope Bioware's wayard train takes you to the right destination.

Wow, you really think a lot of yourself, don't you.

Excuse me that some people remember that the games of our childhood. Forgive us if we remember that incomplete games with terrible graphics, no coherant story at all, blocky controls and an absolutely miserable ending. Can still be amazingly fun.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't slip into misery mode because the ending isn't ripped straight out of the anus of Hollywood scriptwriting.

No I don't, but I do appreciate the attention even if I wont accept your advances since I don't roll that way.

There's a reason many of your incomplete games never became hits or amounted to anything great.  I've been a gamer since a child and have had tasted the many types from the past to the present. So don't try to leacture me with your terrible games as a reason for why Bioware should be allowed to drop their quality investment in this day and age.

You'll excuse me if I don't bend over and take whatever Bioware wants to shove my way when they lied their asses off about the ME trilogy for years.

[Hyrist]

Elite Midget wrote...

You're pathetic.

I don't whine like an upset child like turets and suddenly I'm "Taking anything that's thrown at them." 

You don't speak for me, so quit trying to generalize. 

As I said before - I have my reservations. But instead of jumping on the hatewagon, I give the benefit of the doubt. I also give a fair chance of the experience. Not everything that happens or every game that comes out are going to be things you like or agree with - that dosen't suddenly mean "OMG THE COMPANY IS TERRIBLE NOW!" That's hyperbole. 

You're right to say that Bioware isn't the same company they were before - but it's also false logic to expect them not to change. If you got too accustomed to the way certain things were, then you're never going to be satasfied with any change, ever.

I'll tell you what I like and don't like about Mass Effect 3 when I'm done with it. As far as you generalizing two seperate divisions of Bioware together - perhaps it's time you coherantly complie the singular issues you disliked, and the elements you liked in something that can actually be clearly, and positively received. Rather than spewing bile of hatred and expecting not to be hated on in turn.

Otherwise, I'm going to make light of you. I'm going to tell you, plainly, that I don't beleive your presence is constructive to the development of Bioware, because all you are doing is screaming your head off. And if you're claming these are the same mistakes as DA2, then obviously the 'explosive amounts of incoherant, incessant whining' method isn't working

[CerberusSoldier]

incinerator950 wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

I'm amazed they weren't destroyed sooner. 

   



seems like a dumb plot device

[AllThatJazz]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Pobatti wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Pobatti wrote...

So why can't they continue to replicate the same food they ate on the Normandy?

Because Shepard destroyed all the space magic.

All I saw being destroyed were the Reapers, Mass Relays and the Citadel. While you could say that pretty much everything uses some form of mass effect technology, not everything would have been destroyed - otherwise Liara and Kaiden's heads would have exploded, guns and armor would be useless, all the ships around the Earth would have been rendered inoperative and all plunged to Earth or their life support systems failed...

I think it's just the Reaper tech that responded to whatever it was Shepard did.

You are correct. All that gets destroy are the relays, reapers and Citadel. All FTL and eezo tech is left intact.

If all the relays get destroyed, then given what happened in Arrival, wouldn't that mean that all the systems those relays are in are also destroyed, more or less? So goodbye Sol? 

[Elite Midget]

Hyrist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

You're pathetic.

I don't whine like an upset child like turets and suddenly I'm "Taking anything that's thrown at them." 

You don't speak for me, so quit trying to generalize. 

As I said before - I have my reservations. But instead of jumping on the hatewagon, I give the benefit of the doubt. I also give a fair chance of the experience. Not everything that happens or every game that comes out are going to be things you like or agree with - that dosen't suddenly mean "OMG THE COMPANY IS TERRIBLE NOW!" That's hyperbole. 

You're right to say that Bioware isn't the same company they were before - but it's also false logic to expect them not to change. If you got too accustomed to the way certain things were, then you're never going to be satasfied with any change, ever.

I'll tell you what I like and don't like about Mass Effect 3 when I'm done with it. As far as you generalizing two seperate divisions of Bioware together - perhaps it's time you coherantly complie the singular issues you disliked, and the elements you liked in something that can actually be clearly, and positively received. Rather than spewing bile of hatred and expecting not to be hated on in turn.

Otherwise, I'm going to make light of you. I'm going to tell you, plainly, that I don't beleive your presence is constructive to the development of Bioware, because all you are doing is screaming your head off. And if you're claming these are the same mistakes as DA2, then obviously the 'explosive amounts of incoherant, incessant whining' method isn't working

Says the child.

I was right about Bioware ruining ME3(Which I predicted whem ME2 was still fresh and shared my knowledge on the oll of the Variables and the history of EA to many. You failed to listen than and not Bioware has one upped me and made this game worse than even I foretold), I didn't want to be right but I have a  habit or putting 2 and 2 together. Also, a waste of time. Why bother trying to tell Bioware why they messed up if they have been repeating the same mistakes for a while now and have refused to listen to any and all fan feedback? Furthermore, no one will care what you say is good or bad because if the leaks are true and fans wise up than this will end up like DAII. You will be in the severe minority and will be ignored and your words blocked out from all the noise many others will be making.

I also would like to say you aren't constructive to Bioware. You enable them and refuse to see the flaws and the trees blocking their path. Im' sure you were with the DAII enabler crowd that said DAII would be amazing and that all the haters were wrong. Funny how that turned out, huh? 

Modifié par Elite Midget, 03 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Kanmuru]

AllThatJazz wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Pobatti wrote...

MythicLegands wrote...

Pobatti wrote...

So why can't they continue to replicate the same food they ate on the Normandy?

Because Shepard destroyed all the space magic.

All I saw being destroyed were the Reapers, Mass Relays and the Citadel. While you could say that pretty much everything uses some form of mass effect technology, not everything would have been destroyed - otherwise Liara and Kaiden's heads would have exploded, guns and armor would be useless, all the ships around the Earth would have been rendered inoperative and all plunged to Earth or their life support systems failed...

I think it's just the Reaper tech that responded to whatever it was Shepard did.

You are correct. All that gets destroy are the relays, reapers and Citadel. All FTL and eezo tech is left intact.

If all the relays get destroyed, then given what happened in Arrival, wouldn't that mean that all the systems those relays are in are also destroyed, more or less? So goodbye Sol? 

The arrival detonation used the internal energy of the relay. The detonation of the ending is more like "energy jumps out of the relay violently in a specifix direction and causes the relay to break". Its more like a controled demolition.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

That and destroying the Mass Relays ensure there's no post-end travels for Shepard.

AllThatJazz wrote...

If all the relays get destroyed, then given what happened in Arrival, wouldn't that mean that all the systems those relays are in are also destroyed, more or less? So goodbye Sol?

Since the impact doesn't obliterate the Normandy to ashes, I doubt it.

Probably a much lesser force, like the Collector base's explosion.

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 03 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[Kanmuru]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

That and destroying the Mass Relays ensure there's no post-end travels for Shepard.

FTL

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Kanmuru wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

That and destroying the Mass Relays ensure there's no post-end travels for Shepard.

FTL

What I said, still applies for Shepard, since he survives only in 1 ending and what would his new spaceship be?

[Elite Midget]

Kanmuru wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

That and destroying the Mass Relays ensure there's no post-end travels for Shepard.

FTL

Hush, Sheperd isn't allowed a happy ending. Bioware wants their Dead Legend and they'll get it no matter what.

[AllThatJazz]

Phew, thanks guys. *Stands down from Mass Relay plot-hole panic station* x

[Hyrist]

Elite Midget wrote...


Says the child.

I was right about Bioware ruining ME3, I didn't want to be right but I have a  habit or putting 2 and 2 together. Also, a waste of time. Why bother trying to tell Bioware why they messed up if they have been repeating the same mistakes for a while now and have refused to listen to any and all fan feedback? Furthermore, no one will care what you say is good or bad because if the leaks are true and fans wise up than this will end up like DAII. You will be in the severe minority and will be ignored and your words blocked out from all the noise many others will be making.

Ok, you call me a child, then say "I WAS RIGHT" before the game is releaced. Good logic there, consitering the reviews that are out and are in progress are already leaps more positive than DA2.

But if you're calling giving coherant feedback a waste of your time, then what is your reson for being here, other than to be disruptive to a community that already is ruined by such activties?

You think the noize you beleive you'll be producing on this game (a laughable assumption as DA 2 had far more wrong with the game than simply a bad ending) means anything. The only fair assumption here is that you're attempts are vindictive and harmful to the community and Bioware as a  whole, because they produced a product you, personally, are not satasfied with. 

I'd hate to say it, but DA II was still comercially sucessful. Granted, not as sucessful as it's predecessor, and I do dislike that game, however. Those who did enjoy it, often do not deal with the game forums. Making you, actually, the common element known as "The Vocal Minority." The only thing that truely makes me a lesser minority than you, is that I'm massocistic enough to not be shoved off by bitter, spiteful people who find nothing better to do with their lives than to try to generate misery because they themselves are unsatasfied.

Your message here is "It's broke, but you won't fix it anyways, so my only reason for being here is to assume I know the tastes of everyone around me and say 'don't buy it, it's terrible!' Without even playing it."

Remember the Fiasco of Mass Effect 1? When players hated severely on a writer's review blog when she judged something she did not go in and experience personally? (The sex scene.) What you are doing is the same.

Modifié par Hyrist, 03 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Kanmuru]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

destroying the SR 1 and SR 2 in the same franchise speaks of stupid and contrived garbage

That and destroying the Mass Relays ensure there's no post-end travels for Shepard.

FTL

What I said, still applies for Shepard, since he survives only in 1 ending and what would his new spaceship be?

The normandy is not the only ship with FTL -.-

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Multiplayer optional LOL wrote...

The 'kid' in the outro doesn't even look like a freakin' kid. He's got a head to body ratio of 1:7. In otherwords, he's a really really tiny adult.

Boy, inbreeding is really screwd up isn't it? 

[Cobra's_back]

They said some players were not going to like the ending. Now we know why. I'm pretty sure that players wouldn't have objected as much if the crew died in battle. This ending was designed to mess with the players head. BW seems to be into tragedies. It will be my least favorite of the three. ME 2 at least had no one left behind which was a fun award. ME 3 seems to be about tragic decisions.
I don’t buy it is about being real. Halo Reach had all your squad die, but they did in battle. I don’t see how Tali or Garrus can survive.