In the ME1 codex it states that dreadnaughts are useless in "knife fight range", I assume the same might be able to be said about a reaper. From range the reaper has an obvious advantage but if the Normandy can get in close I think the Repear might not be able to fight back effectively.
Normandy SR2 vs a Reaper
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#27
Posté 03 mars 2012 - 01:49
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Also... we'll find out on Tuesday!!! 
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 01:57
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I think shields are issue, but even if (when?) we are getting a weapon that can disable Reaper shields we still need to get a first shots in.
Say, 4 Alliance cruisers take on 2 Reapers by surprise (otherwise Reapers would outmanouver cruisers, getting out from their firing angle).
Cruisers concentrate their firepower to take Reaper 1 down fast, wearing down Reaper shields and delivering the killing blow.
Reaper 1 doesn't really have much time to react but it destroys one cruiser with beam.
All good except Reaper #2 has had all the time in the world to get firing solution for remaining two Alliance cruisers and blows them to hell.
And that's a scenario where Alliance has element of surprise on their side.
Reapers aren't just any dreads, even if their shields are nullified.
Say, 4 Alliance cruisers take on 2 Reapers by surprise (otherwise Reapers would outmanouver cruisers, getting out from their firing angle).
Cruisers concentrate their firepower to take Reaper 1 down fast, wearing down Reaper shields and delivering the killing blow.
Reaper 1 doesn't really have much time to react but it destroys one cruiser with beam.
All good except Reaper #2 has had all the time in the world to get firing solution for remaining two Alliance cruisers and blows them to hell.
And that's a scenario where Alliance has element of surprise on their side.
Reapers aren't just any dreads, even if their shields are nullified.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 01:59
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Militarized wrote...
In the ME1 codex it states that dreadnaughts are useless in "knife fight range", I assume the same might be able to be said about a reaper. From range the reaper has an obvious advantage but if the Normandy can get in close I think the Repear might not be able to fight back effectively.
Dreads galactic races use are equipped with main weapons build along their axis. Reaper dreads are completely different. Check out ME1 final battle against Sovereign, you see it single shots Alliance cruisers in knife fight range.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 03:18
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Reaper:
Advantages:
Its a massive ship, It can take down alliance ships by simply crashing them
Can shoot targets at different angles with its powerfull laser beams;
Very Agile compared to its size.
Powerfull shields
Disadvangtages:
Easy to hit due to its size
Its arms are not fast enough to lock on Normandy. And all of them cannot lock on Normandy at the same time, they block each other.
Normandy SR2:
Advantages:
Very Agile due to its oversized tantalus drive core(which is even better than the original one).
Thanix Weaponry which is the weapon reapers use. and everyone can remember that it can attack any direction, its like a turret under Normandy.
Its new shields can protect it from reapers laser beams. At least one time.
Its very small compared to a Reaper making it harder to hit. Its like a house fly with a gun.
An AI and Human handling the ship together due to humans can do unexpected things unlike machines. And Joker is the best pilot Alliance has.
Garrus calibrated the Weapons a million times. They are in perfect condition
Reaper IFF MAY fool the Reaper and suprise it one time only.
Disadvantages:
Shields are not nearly as strong as a Reapers'. Can go down in two strikes. Once they go down its one strike and Normandy's down.
Stealth systems are not advanced enough to hide it from the Reapers.
Thanix is smaller than a Reapers laser beam.
I don't know but it looks like the outcome of a 1 on 1 fight seems uncertain.
Advantages:
Its a massive ship, It can take down alliance ships by simply crashing them
Can shoot targets at different angles with its powerfull laser beams;
Very Agile compared to its size.
Powerfull shields
Disadvangtages:
Easy to hit due to its size
Its arms are not fast enough to lock on Normandy. And all of them cannot lock on Normandy at the same time, they block each other.
Normandy SR2:
Advantages:
Very Agile due to its oversized tantalus drive core(which is even better than the original one).
Thanix Weaponry which is the weapon reapers use. and everyone can remember that it can attack any direction, its like a turret under Normandy.
Its new shields can protect it from reapers laser beams. At least one time.
Its very small compared to a Reaper making it harder to hit. Its like a house fly with a gun.
An AI and Human handling the ship together due to humans can do unexpected things unlike machines. And Joker is the best pilot Alliance has.
Garrus calibrated the Weapons a million times. They are in perfect condition
Reaper IFF MAY fool the Reaper and suprise it one time only.
Disadvantages:
Shields are not nearly as strong as a Reapers'. Can go down in two strikes. Once they go down its one strike and Normandy's down.
Stealth systems are not advanced enough to hide it from the Reapers.
Thanix is smaller than a Reapers laser beam.
I don't know but it looks like the outcome of a 1 on 1 fight seems uncertain.
#31
Posté 03 mars 2012 - 03:23
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well technically... seeing as the normandy can't be spotted on radar and I ASSUME that the reapers operate via radar, technically wouldn't the normandy be invisible to the reapers?
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 03:37
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Not to mention all those ships shooting Sov whilst 'distracting'. Sov wasn't killed with a sucker punch so much as a panicked frenzy of fire.Slashout wrote...
Sigh_Blaise wrote...
Didn't the SR1 punch straight through
Sovereign? So the SR2 with the Thanix Cannon stands a chance. Assuming
the stealth system works it could deliver a few suprising
blows.
We have to assume that the normandy SR1 was able to do that because the citadel fleet and defences weakened Sovereign's shields. Not to mention it was probably a possible shot because there were thousands of ships to distract sovereign.
In ME1 we hear Joker comment that Sov could manuever in an atmosphere in ways that would make any other ship he knew break in half. So the SR-2 having a speed advantage over a Reaper is doubtful.
In ME2 we read that Thanix Cannons aren't the same as the Reapers' guns. They aren't fully reverse-engineered copies. They merely mimic the characteristics of Reaper weapons to the best that the Turians can understand.
In ME3 in the galaxy map, if a Reaper catches the Normandy, it's game over. This doesn't actually say much specifically, except that the SR-2 probably shouldn't be going toe-to-toe with Reapers.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 03:39
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The Reaper would win. The SR2 is a very crappy ship for combat, its power is in its extraordinarily advanced stealth capabilities.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 03:45
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Now that's taking it toofar, considering the SR-2 is a Frigate that, in ME2 could go toe-to-toe with a Cruiser of superior make and come out on top, even w/o upgrades. In ME lore, it's supposed to take several Frigates to down a standard Cruiser, the SR-2 killed a "Super-Cruiser" singlehandedly.*TheLostGenius wrote...
The Reaper would win. The SR2 is a very crappy ship for combat, its power is in its extraordinarily advanced stealth capabilities.
The SR-2 is a freaking powerhouse in ME terms. The Reapers just happen to be a whole other level beyond it.
*The Collector Cruiser took out an entire Turian patrol (a Cruiser with support ships) singlehandedly, without a scratch.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 04:32
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Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
Now that's taking it toofar, considering the SR-2 is a Frigate that, in ME2 could go toe-to-toe with a Cruiser of superior make and come out on top, even w/o upgrades. In ME lore, it's supposed to take several Frigates to down a standard Cruiser, the SR-2 killed a "Super-Cruiser" singlehandedly.*TheLostGenius wrote...
The Reaper would win. The SR2 is a very crappy ship for combat, its power is in its extraordinarily advanced stealth capabilities.
The SR-2 is a freaking powerhouse in ME terms. The Reapers just happen to be a whole other level beyond it.
*The Collector Cruiser took out an entire Turian patrol (a Cruiser with support ships) singlehandedly, without a scratch.
The SR2 is actually a cruiser, plus the collector ship had one weapon that would easily be dodged by a fast and easily maneuvered ship.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 04:36
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Reapers can also pull impossible turns as quoted in ME1 so a Reaper as speed in turning
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 04:39
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The Thanix cannon is smoke and mirrors.
The truth is, the cannon launches a clone of Vanguard Sheppard out of the tube ports as he biotic charges forward.
The Reaper has no chance to survive - it will make its time.
The truth is, the cannon launches a clone of Vanguard Sheppard out of the tube ports as he biotic charges forward.
The Reaper has no chance to survive - it will make its time.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 04:41
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Garrus has been making calibrations for just this moment.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 04:45
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The Thanix Cannon is based on Reaper Tech salvaged from Soverign. It's immensely powerful.
The Thanix Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapon is a turian-developed, miniaturized version of the weapon used by Sovereign during its attack on the Citadel. It uses an electromagnetic field to shape and accelerate a stream of superheated molten metal to relativistic velocities, which then impacts its target and deals horrendous damage. The weapons fire appears as a bright blue beam, very similar to the deadly red trails seen firing from the tips of Sovereign's 'arms' during the Battle of the Citadel. In combat, the Thanix Cannon is strong enough to destroy a Collector cruiser in two shots.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 05:06
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didymos1120 wrote...
Sigh_Blaise wrote...
Didn't the SR1 punch straight through Sovereign?
After some fighters launched torpedoes and softened it up.
Actually I think that shepard killed/stuned sovereign by killing his avatar(saren). This is what took down his barriers letting normandy to kill it with one torpedo.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 05:19
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It distresses me that so many "fans" know very little about the series and what goes on in it.
We know very little about anything below Sovereigns size of reaper, we don't even know much about Sovereign it self, nor how exactly it lost control of its systems.
Frankly none of the races know anything more than bits and pieces of leftover items from the destroyed parts of Sovereign and whatever information came from the other one, which is why Earth is being attacked in the first place with its entire defence fleet obliterated (so it seems), so not only does it seem that the Alliance is ill equipped, with no Thanix cannons/similar, it is Turian after all, so i doubt they would have got much help, especially when it was a prototype, though the Turian fleet may be equipped by now.
We know for a fact that Dreadnought Reapers are a no-no without extreme amounts of support and fire power, other than that, i don't know and neither does anyone else besides the people already playing the game.
We know very little about anything below Sovereigns size of reaper, we don't even know much about Sovereign it self, nor how exactly it lost control of its systems.
Frankly none of the races know anything more than bits and pieces of leftover items from the destroyed parts of Sovereign and whatever information came from the other one, which is why Earth is being attacked in the first place with its entire defence fleet obliterated (so it seems), so not only does it seem that the Alliance is ill equipped, with no Thanix cannons/similar, it is Turian after all, so i doubt they would have got much help, especially when it was a prototype, though the Turian fleet may be equipped by now.
We know for a fact that Dreadnought Reapers are a no-no without extreme amounts of support and fire power, other than that, i don't know and neither does anyone else besides the people already playing the game.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 05:38
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KevShep wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
Sigh_Blaise wrote...
Didn't the SR1 punch straight through Sovereign?
After some fighters launched torpedoes and softened it up.
Actually I think that shepard killed/stuned sovereign by killing his avatar(saren). This is what took down his barriers letting normandy to kill it with one torpedo.
Well we just have to clone Saren a bunch of times and kill him repeatedly. A horrible thing, I know. But it must be done. The logic is irrefutable.
