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[Meltemph]

You know...The more I think about it, I could even see Harper purposely fill that base with mechs and even put idea's in Wilsons mind(behind Miranda's back even) to set the mechs on everyone, and just left out the part that he will die too, with the intention of only Jacob, Miranda, and Shep leaving alive.

That way, he can kill eveyone who knew about the project that he didn't want to "keep" knowing, not take the credit for the idea and still keep Shep's existence very hush hush. Just it happened a bit quick then expected, I think, a bit too close for comfort. That is purely conjecture, but I could see TIM being ok with that.

[Redzephyr]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Here you go again saying they didn't even have basic security. They had well more than basic security. Secrity was pretty tight and formidable. It was perfect, but nothing in life is.

You are not reasonable.

For saying that human troops would have been a better defense than hackable mechs? I disagree. Even with the assumption that some of them might have ended up on the Broker's payroll, I do not feel that most of them would have. Cerberus has shown to command quite a lot of loyalty from its people.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Please explain how.

Per the wiki, "
 Unless Shepard can infiltrate the VI's fortress and shut it down, this homicidal intelligence will beam itself-off planet and wreak havoc on other systems. "

If I am mistaken in my recollection, well... again, please explain how.

That is not true at all.

Yeah, the protection of humans is a pretty minor footnote in their charter.

For a big station like that?

Not a fleet, just a few frigates. Right.

Yep.

What do you think constitutes a fleet? Two frigates sure doesn't.

It doesn't. Such is life in the universe.

Which is the point. It doesn't stop until there's nothing left.

Anyway, as much as I've loved having this wonderful, enlightening chat with you, I've got to head to work. Have a pleasant day, yeah?



In before some comment stating or implying that I'm making an excuse to run away because my arguments have failed.

[Meltemph]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Where did you get all these ideas about Harper?

sorry, forgot that you didnt read the comics... Harper=TIM

Jack Harper(Mr Tim) is a incredibly smart man who normally thinks about 8 moves ahead. And after reading the comics and books have come to respect his ambition, even if I do think the man is a bit evil(all be it he thinks he has to be, I dont think he WANTS to be). 

[saturos2]

darkness reborn wrote...

Because ME 3 has a bad plot.

[omgBAMF]

Meltemph wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Where did you get all these ideas about Harper?

sorry, forgot that you didnt read the comics... Harper=TIM

Jack Harper(Mr Tim) is a incredibly smart man who normally thinks about 8 moves ahead. And after reading the comics and books have come to respect his ambition, even if I do think the man is a bit evil(all be it he thinks he has to be, I dont think he WANTS to be). 

Don't bother... this guy is set to believe his own reality.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own" is his life-mantra.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 03 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Because they're determined its like Harbi no matter how many times you kill his drones, undermine his efforts, or outright sabotage him he'll still keep getting back in the game to cause more headaches.

[Lapis Lazuli]

If Cerberus didn't end up being evil, bioware would be promoting supremacist thinking.

[Westy357]

Cerberus should not be against Shephard, but they are. Monday 9:00 PM PST I will find out why.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Bioware wants you to fanatically hate Cerberus, so they make them do stupidly evil retarded crap that is out of character and MO for the organization.

Pretty much. They are pulling ALL the stops too.
From Overlord and the forced shock value, down to anvilicious writing and total lack of logic in ME3.

[Lotion Soronarr]

DJBare wrote...
Since cerburus were involved with the co-development of the normandy, I would not put it past them to have had a hand in those children being taken from their homes, I'm not defending the alliance, they can be easily accused of negligance and ignorance, but my vote will always be for those who want "live and let live" something cerburus obviously does not want since their ultimate goal is to dominate all other species.

And?
Desire for dominance is normal and par for course. Dominance doens't imply "kill everyone else".

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cerberus is written rather schizo. Without any proper focus or plan. Waht oyu hear, what you are told and what youare shown are oftne completely conficting things.

On one hand, Cerberus is described as ruthless, eficient and capable. After all, it's been operating for years, has been avoiding destruction by the major powers in the galaxy (and hteir forces..Specters, STG, etc..) and has great funding and a neat set-up.
On the other hand they are shown to be criminally incompetent whenever the plot needed something or a new DLC.

As Saphra said - Cerberus is plot glue. There is no overarching plan for them, there never was. If there weas one, then they wouldn't be so all over the place as they are.

[Julia343]

I see the Cerberus loyalty issue having to due with the ruthlessness in the way the organization treats its test subjects, which tend to be human. It seems at least from the games that the test subjects eventually come from Cerberus "non-essential" staff. This leaves people wondering if they'll be next, eventually. Take Miranda for example, and the rest of the Normandy crew when they defect. Miranda was in the Lazarus cell, which was pretty well run, but even that had a bad apple in it. They don't tend to screen their employees well.

So much potential wasted.

[AlexXIV]

Lapis Lazuli wrote...

If Cerberus didn't end up being evil, bioware would be promoting supremacist thinking.

Well yes. I think they didn't have much choice. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this topic came up in a meeting discussing the plot etc.

[Westy357]

Cerberus sorta reminds me of SPECTRE from the old James Bond movies. I don't see how it is 'supremacist' as I have yet to see The Illusive Man with a Hitler mustache or any swastikas on Cerberus personnel or property.

I think what is more likely is The Illusive Man is mad because Shepard blew up the collector base when he asked him not to, got one of his best employees (Amanda) to quit, and stole one of his very expensive spaceships.

[Red Panda]

Cerbies be cerbing.


That is all.

[biowaregeek]

who's to say camander sheperd can't persuade Illusive man to change for the better good..will find out in 3 days.

[Arppis]

Westy357 wrote...

Cerberus sorta reminds me of SPECTRE from the old James Bond movies. I don't see how it is 'supremacist' as I have yet to see The Illusive Man with a Hitler mustache or any swastikas on Cerberus personnel or property.

They don't like aliens. And you can see that they have the Cerberus logo on everything. Plus they want to be in charge pretty badly. They do have the paralers for it.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Renegade133 wrote...

Why are they pissing everybody off while the galaxy is being torn apart ?

You see it as pissing everyone off.

I see it as being the only group in the entire universe with the fortitude to not run like screaming girls who think when the universe is in danger, the best response is to be nice and talk.

Making nice can come after the universe is saved, not before it. 

/shrug

[biowaregeek]

Westy357 wrote...

Cerberus sorta reminds me of SPECTRE from the old James Bond movies. I don't see how it is 'supremacist' as I have yet to see The Illusive Man with a Hitler mustache or any swastikas on Cerberus personnel or property.

I think what is more likely is The Illusive Man is mad because Shepard blew up the collector base when he asked him not to, got one of his best employees (Amanda) to quit, and stole one of his very expensive spaceships.

 the Illusive man still chasing after shepard even if he didn't blow up the collector base.

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

The very nature of intelligence and black ops organizations like the CIA, GRU, Mossad, ect mean that you only ever hear about their failures. When they're successful, nobody ever knows that they were involved, or that they even did anything in the 1st place. Does this public perception make these organizations incompetent? Not by any means. Cerberus's very existence is proof that they're more competent than people make them out to be. Otherwise they would have been wiped out long ago. The advanced technology they possess didnt come from continued failure either.

As far as "if shepard didnt stop _____ disaster would have struck" arguments, if shepard hadnt been in a position to respond, cerberus commandos would have been sent in, or high ranking contacts in the alliance would have arranged N7 involvement. Either group is capable of accomplishing what shepard did on all of those side missions, albeit possibly with more casualties. Notice that if you never do said side missions, there is no repercussions later on. Its taken care of, one way or another.