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[DJBare]

hhh89 wrote...
You're right. He sent nuclear bombs in other specie's spa...oh wait, it was the Alliance.
I'm not a Cerberus supporter, but it always irritates me when I read "Cerberus is evil, they committed crimes", forgetting what the other organizations in ME (including the official rapresentative of humanity in the galaxy)  aren't that kind.

I can never decide which is worse, what the alliance did was out of pure ignorance and what cerburus does is deliberatly planned, but I'm pretty sure the alliance was never involved in torturing children, oh and before anyone says TIM knew nothing about it, then I guess we can call him ignorant about his own organization.

[Someone With Mass]

Justicar wrote...

It's not like ANY Mass Effect game has a great plot

Yes, not even ME1. What ME1 had was Saren, Sovereign and Wrex. Plot was cliche.

Then again, most video game plots can be summed up with: You good, this guy bad. Go kill.

[The Elder King]

DJBare wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
You're right. He sent nuclear bombs in other specie's spa...oh wait, it was the Alliance.
I'm not a Cerberus supporter, but it always irritates me when I read "Cerberus is evil, they committed crimes", forgetting what the other organizations in ME (including the official rapresentative of humanity in the galaxy)  aren't that kind.

I can never decide which is worse, what the alliance did was out of pure ignorance and what cerburus does is deliberatly planned, but I'm pretty sure the alliance was never involved in torturing children, oh and before anyone says TIM knew nothing about it, then I guess we can call him ignorant about his own organization.

Oh, I'm not saying that Cerberus are the good guys, or that the Alliance is worse than Cerberus. I don't like what they did on Akuze, Pragia and Overlord.
I'm only saying that the Alliance, and a lof of the other organizations in ME, aren't that perfect.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

but I'm pretty sure the alliance was never involved in torturing children,

You're wrong. Ask Kaidan sometime.

Yeah sorry, but we can't say the Alliance never did it. They probably did and would probably do it again if the stakes are high enough. Shepard can be an idealist, but don't expect any political group to be anything but opportunists. I mean we know how black ops work and that they exist. Obviously 'national security' overrules morale and ethics.

[Jynthor]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Well, in Evolution after he comes into indirect contact with the artifact and gets the Reaper tech eyes, he gets a vision of the Reapers.

I don't like it, but it's very likely he finally became fully indoctrinated.

I've been told the eyes are turian implants after his were burned out by the artifact.

So which is? I can never get a straight answer on this.

Regardless, he was clearly not indoctrinated in ME2 or in Retribution. He was doing everything he could to fight the Reapers and had no plans what-so-ever to help them. Nor did he have plans to fight the rest of the galaxy, or Shepard.

Basically the Turians were using Reaper artifacts to make themselves into husks, TIM came into contact with it when he tried to rescue his friend from it. TIM only had his eyes changed by the artifact, his friend was not so lucky. Right before TIM wakes up for the first time after contact with the Artifact he has a vision of the Reapers.
The vision says:
"You have but two choices. You can hide~"
"~Or you can accept your fate. We are your destiny."
 

Modifié par Jynthor, 03 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[The Elder King]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

but I'm pretty sure the alliance was never involved in torturing children,

You're wrong. Ask Kaidan sometime.

From what I remember, they supported the Conatix and the program, but they weren't directly involved. Though I could be wrong, I don't remember well that dialogue.
edit: read the wikia, the files were classified to cover the Alliance's mistakes. I'd guess they were involved in some way.

Modifié par hhh89, 03 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

but I'm pretty sure the alliance was never involved in torturing children,

You're wrong. Ask Kaidan sometime.

I know Kaidan's story, I also know it was individuals involved and not an organization, it seems you did not get the whole story and how the accension program came about because of it.

[AlexXIV]

Jynthor wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Well, in Evolution after he comes into indirect contact with the artifact and gets the Reaper tech eyes, he gets a vision of the Reapers.

I don't like it, but it's very likely he finally became fully indoctrinated.

I've been told the eyes are turian implants after his were burned out by the artifact.

So which is? I can never get a straight answer on this.

Regardless, he was clearly not indoctrinated in ME2 or in Retribution. He was doing everything he could to fight the Reapers and had no plans what-so-ever to help them. Nor did he have plans to fight the rest of the galaxy, or Shepard.

Basically the Turians were using Reaper artifacts to make themselves into husks, TIM came into contact with it when he tried to rescue his friend from it. TIM only had his eyes changed by the artifact, his friend was not so lucky. Right before TIM wakes up for the first time after contact with the Artifact he has a vision of the Reapers.
The vision says:
"You have but two choices. You can hide~"
"~Or you can accept your fate. We are your destiny."
 

If I read something like this I really have a hard time to understand why everyone acts like the Reapers don't exist. I mean, seriously. I know unicorns don't exist. That's why there are no projects that study unicorns. But ... this makes no sense. Either the Reapers exist and they research Reaper tech. Or they don't exist and don't research it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 03 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

but I'm pretty sure the alliance was never involved in torturing children,

You're wrong. Ask Kaidan sometime.

Zing. Good one, SD.

[incinerator950]

What the **** did I walk back into?

**** this I'm going back to flirting with board members and playing Skyrim.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

darkness reborn wrote...

Because ME 3 has a bad plot.

Said a genious writer himself 

[AlexXIV]

DJBare wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

but I'm pretty sure the alliance was never involved in torturing children,

You're wrong. Ask Kaidan sometime.

I know Kaidan's story, I also know it was individuals involved and not an organization, it seems you did not get the whole story and how the accension program came about because of it.

Well weaseling out of responsibility is exactly what TIM is doing by saying his projects went rogue. But if the alliance says so it is ok?

[Arppis]

Navasha wrote...

I went and read the synopsis of the various 'canon' comics at the wiki, and actually after that what Cerberus is doing makes perfect sense to me.

It propably does make sense, but some people are dissapointed because the story doesn't go the way they wanted it to go. I'm not one of them, but I understand.

[Thompson family]

TheLostGenius wrote...

TIM is a crazy ******.

A little harsh,but overall accurate.

[The Elder King]

Saphra Deden wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

From what I remember, they supported the Conatix and the program, but they weren't directly involved.

You're right, they weren't directly involved. That's how they wanted it. Why do you suspect that was?

Read between the lines, people.

I guess you don't think the Council has its hands dirty either because they never get directly involved, instead leaving it to their Spectres.

I already said that the Alliance, the Council and the other organizations in ME aren't  that clean in this very thread.
I simply don't remember well how the Conatix program worked. I wasn't even sure if the Alliance supported the program, or if it was a private operation.

Modifié par hhh89, 03 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[Arcadian Legend]

 At this point, not sure if serious or pro-Cerberus bait.

[DJBare]

AlexXIV wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I know Kaidan's story, I also know it was individuals involved and not an organization, it seems you did not get the whole story and how the accension program came about because of it.

Well weaseling out of responsibility is exactly what TIM is doing by saying his projects went rogue. But if the alliance says so it is ok?

Since cerburus were involved with the co-development of the normandy, I would not put it past them to have had a hand in those children being taken from their homes, I'm not defending the alliance, they can be easily accused of negligance and ignorance, but my vote will always be for those who want "live and let live" something cerburus obviously does not want since their ultimate goal is to dominate all other species.

[Thompson family]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

 At this point, not sure if serious or pro-Cerberus bait.

There's no practical difference.

[The Elder King]

DJBare wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I know Kaidan's story, I also know it was individuals involved and not an organization, it seems you did not get the whole story and how the accension program came about because of it.

Well weaseling out of responsibility is exactly what TIM is doing by saying his projects went rogue. But if the alliance says so it is ok?

Since cerburus were involved with the co-development of the normandy, I would not put it past them to have had a hand in those children being taken from their homes, I'm not defending the alliance, they can be easily accused of negligance and ignorance, but my vote will always be for those who want "live and let live" something cerburus obviously does not want since their ultimate goal is to dominate all other species.

what about the nuclear bombs?