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[Harvoification]

 Think about it, Shepard survives, albeit no in his human form. The Reapers are not killed, but they are defeated and controlled by Shepard. He now has an army of the most technologically advanced sentient ships in the galaxy. With Shepard at the help, the mass relays could be replaced much quicker than any other ending by allowing organics the ability to share (to an extent) Reaper technology, this time with no sadistic motive at the end of it. Sure, we won't have the relays back up in time to meet Garrus and Tali, which is unfortunate. Liara, though, is only 100 years old. She could still be the alive by the time people find them and Shepard could re-unite with her, albeit not in an ideal sense. If Shepard, with all the Reaper tech at his disposal, couldn't he just do what EDI did? Upload part of his consciousness to a mobile platform with the characteristics of his old body?

The Reapers could also be a peacekeeper so to speak; if a race threatens the well being of the rest of the galaxy, with their mind settled on galactic domination, killing or enslaving other races while taking their worlds by force, the Reapers could step in and prevent this. 

So yeah, Shepard and the Reapers could help rebuild galactic civilization at a fast pace, Shepard may re-unite with his old LI (if it was Liara...), and galactic society would be restored relatively quickly because the citadel is intact and operational. 

The only risk is the Reapers going AWOL and ignoring Shepard's order, returning to their old cycle of galactic extinction, which is unlikely to happen.

[CerberusSoldier]

hell No

[incinerator950]

Without the Soap Opera ending where Shepard gets embraced, with a ten year epilogue of him on a beach with blue kids running around.

Nah, you're on the right track.

[Harvoification]

What did people expect? How would the Reapers even be a threat if stopping them involved no sacrifice? Stopping a cycle which has continued for millions of years is not going to be easy. Shepard was half joking when he mentioned little blue children to Liara.

Stopping them, with no sacrifices that will affect the players emotionally, just isn't believe. Especially since Bioware built the Reapers up to be the single most powerful entities in the entire galaxy.

If you thought Shepard and his team would get out of this with only a few scars, you're just naive. Those that say there's no happy ending are only taking into account Shepard's personal life, and not the galaxy at large, which has been what this whole trilogy is about: saving the galaxy.

Modifié par Harvoification, 03 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[kingsims]

TIM wanted the control ending. This was clearly his goal all along to control everything so humanity is always ahead and with him being control of the reapers nothing would stop him and all other aliens would serve under humanity.

Control just seems wrong just like how JC denton joins the illuminanti to control humanity. Trust me destroy the reapers that way they can never interfere. Also shepard becomes a space god with all his reapers.

Modifié par kingsims, 03 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Elite Midget]

No, there are no happy endings. This was Sheperds last game so Sheperd deserves to either die or be forever alone. At least that's what Bioware has implied with their shift to only grimdark endings.

[Harvoification]

kingsims wrote...

TIM wanted the control ending. This was clearly his goal all along to control everything so humanity is always ahead and with him being control of the reapers nothing would stop him and all other aliens would serve under humanity.
 

Control would be immoral in the wrong hands, but Shepard, I think, is responsible enough to hold such power. 

[Elite Midget]

Harvoification wrote...

What did people expect? How would the Reapers even be a threat if stopping them involved no sacrifice? Stopping a cycle which has continued for millions of years is not going to be easy. Shepard was half joking when he mentioned little blue children to Liara.

Stopping them, with no sacrifices that will affect the players emotionally, just isn't believe. Especially since Bioware built the Reapers up to be the single most powerful entities in the entire galaxy.

If you thought Shepard and his team would get out of this with only a few scars, you're just naive. Those that say there's no happy ending are only taking into account Shepard's personal life, and not the galaxy at large, which has been what this whole trilogy is about: saving the galaxy.

What did people expect? They expected their choices and extra effort to amount to something, anything. Instead Bioware disregarded all the choices and turned the trilogy into a farce. Their quote that this was the great time to jump into a trilogy? Pathetic. Nothing mattered in the end and no matter what you do you will get the same endings. Kinda defeats the purpose of the series about choices when the only choice that matters is how you're going to die.

[incinerator950]

Elite Midget wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

What did people expect? How would the Reapers even be a threat if stopping them involved no sacrifice? Stopping a cycle which has continued for millions of years is not going to be easy. Shepard was half joking when he mentioned little blue children to Liara.

Stopping them, with no sacrifices that will affect the players emotionally, just isn't believe. Especially since Bioware built the Reapers up to be the single most powerful entities in the entire galaxy.

If you thought Shepard and his team would get out of this with only a few scars, you're just naive. Those that say there's no happy ending are only taking into account Shepard's personal life, and not the galaxy at large, which has been what this whole trilogy is about: saving the galaxy.

What did people expect? They expected their choices and extra effort to amount to something, anything. Instead Bioware disregarded all the choices and turned the trilogy into a farce. Their quote that this was the great time to jump into a trilogy? Pathetic. Nothing mattered in the end and no matter what you do you will get the same endings. Kinda defeats the purpose of the series about choices when the only choice that matters is how you're going to die.

Dean the Young and Isaac Shepard already concluded why this happened actually.  Stop your raging and think business, marketing, and design reasonings for all of this.  The answer is not even close to catastrophic.

[Elegana]

No. None of them are happy. Heck, none of them are even bittersweet. Yes, the Reapers are gone. Woo-freaking-hoo. Everyone already knew that Shepard would win; it was predictable. Yes, you can Earth, that was also predictable. But the fact that Shepard can die and the Normandy and it's crew is marooned on some planet in bufu-Egypt. Heck, even if Shepard does live, that doesn't matter: S/He is alone in the end. That, overall, makes it just straight up depressing.

[incinerator950]

Oh lawdy

[What a Succulent Ass]

Elegana wrote...

marooned on some planet in bufu-Egypt.

Don't hate on Egypt, she's a very nice lady.

You obviously meant Australia.

[incinerator950]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Elegana wrote...

marooned on some planet in bufu-Egypt.

Don't hate on Egypt, she's a very nice lady.

You obviously meant Australia.

Hey now, don't hate on Australia.  Just because she's casually more friendly to the opposite sex doesn't mean you should readily blame her.

[Aesieru]

Technology Singularity.

Couldn't care less about what happens to the Normandy.

[jlb524]

Merge would be a great ending if Shepard didn't have to die for no apparent reason.

[Elite Midget]

incinerator950 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Harvoification wrote...

What did people expect? How would the Reapers even be a threat if stopping them involved no sacrifice? Stopping a cycle which has continued for millions of years is not going to be easy. Shepard was half joking when he mentioned little blue children to Liara.

Stopping them, with no sacrifices that will affect the players emotionally, just isn't believe. Especially since Bioware built the Reapers up to be the single most powerful entities in the entire galaxy.

If you thought Shepard and his team would get out of this with only a few scars, you're just naive. Those that say there's no happy ending are only taking into account Shepard's personal life, and not the galaxy at large, which has been what this whole trilogy is about: saving the galaxy.

What did people expect? They expected their choices and extra effort to amount to something, anything. Instead Bioware disregarded all the choices and turned the trilogy into a farce. Their quote that this was the great time to jump into a trilogy? Pathetic. Nothing mattered in the end and no matter what you do you will get the same endings. Kinda defeats the purpose of the series about choices when the only choice that matters is how you're going to die.

Dean the Young and Isaac Shepard already concluded why this happened actually.  Stop your raging and think business, marketing, and design reasonings for all of this.  The answer is not even close to catastrophic.

I am thinking those things already, I was chilling with Dean a year ago about this. It isn't raging, I stopped careing to rage. I'm simply speaking my mind, Bioware killed any emotional investment I had for their games or characters when they said "choices matter" than decided "choices never mattered". After all, I'm the one that heralded the Variable Debate(Which was also supported by marketing, costs, manpower, and that Bioware isn't the same as the one that made ME1 at that point) which ended up being correct despite many saying Bioware would never screw over their fans in such a way.

[ediskrad327]

i could head canon my way to make control happy (still hate the endings though)

[Big I]

The endings are garbage, but I consider Control to be the least awful for the reasons listed in OP. All hail immortal AI Shepard, Reaper King.

EDIT: Or Queen.

Modifié par LookingGlass93, 03 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[Aesieru]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

The endings are garbage, but I consider Control to be the least awful for the reasons listed in OP. All hail immortal AI Shepard, Reaper King.

*Thousands of years pass and it turns out we're all dead and AI's are super-advancing and expanding and organics are no longer necessary*

Yeah, great choice.

[dw99027]

Happier than the genocide of the Geth and every species that has come before (Reaper essence )? Check.

Happier than forced evolution? Check.

[robyn278]

Harvoification wrote...
Control would be immoral in the wrong hands, but Shepard, I think, is responsible enough to hold such power. 

I don't think even Shepard is responsible enough to know how to successfully control an entire race of monster machines for all eternity. Like someone else said, that ending is very reminiscent of Denton joining the Illuminati at the end of Deus Ex.

Hell, I think the ending choices basically match up with the ones from that game, but are uniformly more dark and depressing. I loved Deus Ex, but at the moment I don't even think I'll be buying ME3.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

No. All you would be doing is becoming what you hated, and betraying all your allies and especially your squadmates that died fighting for your cause: Eliminating the Reapers.

[Big I]

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...
The endings are garbage, but I consider Control to be the least awful for the reasons listed in OP. All hail immortal AI Shepard, Reaper King.

*Thousands of years pass and it turns out we're all dead and AI's are super-advancing and expanding and organics are no longer necessary*

Yeah, great choice.

There's no proof that AIs have to turn on their creators. And if they do, I for one would feel happy in the knowledge that Commander Shepard had an unstoppable fleet of super dreadnoughts for just such an occasion.

[Aesieru]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...
The endings are garbage, but I consider Control to be the least awful for the reasons listed in OP. All hail immortal AI Shepard, Reaper King.

*Thousands of years pass and it turns out we're all dead and AI's are super-advancing and expanding and organics are no longer necessary*

Yeah, great choice.

There's no proof that AIs have to turn on their creators. And if they do, I for one would feel happy in the knowledge that Commander Shepard had an unstoppable fleet of super dreadnoughts for just such an occasion.

Which would kill all life and then render the Reapers a valid choice and then make you wonder why you didn't just let them do their job in the first place.

You basically just sided with the Reapers in that scenario then, and thus you sided with shephard shooting himself and allowing the Reapers to do their thing.

Also, the entirety of the plot has pretty much shown what AI's will do. Maybe not at the start, but eventually as they continue to expand. Even EDI has expressed her boredom sometimes and desire to do OTHER things.