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[I_Jedi]

Armass81 wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

I've heard a rumor that Shepard can get back to Earth at the end of the game if Destroy is chosen; is that true?

Yes it is. But only with high war assets score.

My hope for a half-decent ending has been reinstated!

[iheartbob]

I_Jedi wrote...

iheartbob wrote...

I have a question about the Control endings ...

I was under the impression (that along with the space magic and explosions in the other two), you still effectively destroy the reapers. But then I read yesterday that the reapers won't be entirely gone and will still be able to resume the cycle in 50,000 years, as in ... you only beat them temporarily? I apologize if this is beating a dead horse over the head, but would someone mind clarifying for me please?

I thought that Shepard becomes a synthetic and controls the Reapers from the Citadel.

That's a varation of what I heard, which is why I'm asking. That's the ending I've been the least clear about.

[G3rman]

Shepard uploads his consciousness to the Citadel and becomes the new Guardian to control the reapers who leave. What Shepard does with the reapers whether it be continue the cycle or use it to help humanity gain dominance or etc etc is up to the player's interpretation.

He's for all intents and purposes dead though and will be separated from everyone he knows; its the renegade ending.

[I_Jedi]

G3rman wrote...

Shepard uploads his consciousness to the Citadel and becomes the new Guardian to control the reapers who leave. What Shepard does with the reapers whether it be continue the cycle or use it to help humanity gain dominance or etc etc is up to the player's interpretation.

He's for all intents and purposes dead though and will be separated from everyone he knows; its the renegade ending.

From your description, his body's dead, but his mind is still functional.

[G3rman]

I_Jedi wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Shepard uploads his consciousness to the Citadel and becomes the new Guardian to control the reapers who leave. What Shepard does with the reapers whether it be continue the cycle or use it to help humanity gain dominance or etc etc is up to the player's interpretation.

He's for all intents and purposes dead though and will be separated from everyone he knows; its the renegade ending.

From your description, his body's dead, but his mind is still functional.

Technically, but he will never make contact with anyone again nor do anything that once made him Shepard.  It's not a very uplifting ending, but then none of them are.

[I_Jedi]

G3rman wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Shepard uploads his consciousness to the Citadel and becomes the new Guardian to control the reapers who leave. What Shepard does with the reapers whether it be continue the cycle or use it to help humanity gain dominance or etc etc is up to the player's interpretation.

He's for all intents and purposes dead though and will be separated from everyone he knows; its the renegade ending.

From your description, his body's dead, but his mind is still functional.

Technically, but he will never make contact with anyone again nor do anything that once made him Shepard.  It's not a very uplifting ending, but then none of them are.

He must have some awareness. Otherwise, how will he know when he needs the Reapers back?
Also, don't some ships with FTL drives still exist? If so, there's a chance.

[G3rman]

He's the new Guardian and has control over the Citadel and all of the systems needed to control Reapers. His purpose does not extend past that, that is part of the sacrifice.

Chance for what? Normandy rescue? It could have launched literally anywhere in the galaxy and with most technology destroyed its doubtful they will have the resources and organization to mount a rescue.

A chance to visit Shepard who doesn't even exist in a physical form anymore? Impossible, he's locked up in the citadel quite tightly just as the previous one was and no one will know how to get to him anyway.

[TK EL_]

Its nice that bioware can now arbitrarily say one explosion is non lethal. Gaping plothole

Modifié par TK EL , 04 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[I_Jedi]

G3rman wrote...

He's the new Guardian and has control over the Citadel and all of the systems needed to control Reapers. His purpose does not extend past that, that is part of the sacrifice.

Chance for what? Normandy rescue? It could have launched literally anywhere in the galaxy and with most technology destroyed its doubtful they will have the resources and organization to mount a rescue.

A chance to visit Shepard who doesn't even exist in a physical form anymore? Impossible, he's locked up in the citadel quite tightly just as the previous one was and no one will know how to get to him anyway.

No. A chance to reestablish contact with other races.

Also, if the reapers are controlled, then surely he can use some sort of code to communicate?
Morse Code, perhaps?
The Reapers also need some sort of awareness, or they'll always keep bumping into things.

[AquamanOS]

I_Jedi wrote...

I've heard a rumor that Shepard can get back to Earth at the end of the game if Destroy is chosen; is that true?

If you have high war assets, and pick Destroy, Shepard is still caught in the destruction of the Citadel, but there's a quick extra scene at the end, showing him lying amongst the rubble, and he suddenly starts breathing again and begins to stand. It cuts out at that point, but clearly Shepard survived and you can assume had one of the remaining ships take him back to earth.

[royard]

I_Jedi wrote...

G3rman wrote...

He's the new Guardian and has control over the Citadel and all of the systems needed to control Reapers. His purpose does not extend past that, that is part of the sacrifice.

Chance for what? Normandy rescue? It could have launched literally anywhere in the galaxy and with most technology destroyed its doubtful they will have the resources and organization to mount a rescue.

A chance to visit Shepard who doesn't even exist in a physical form anymore? Impossible, he's locked up in the citadel quite tightly just as the previous one was and no one will know how to get to him anyway.

No. A chance to reestablish contact with other races.

Also, if the reapers are controlled, then surely he can use some sort of code to communicate?
Morse Code, perhaps?
The Reapers also need some sort of awareness, or they'll always keep bumping into things.

Harby kept on going and going with his rant, I'm sure Shepard will find a way.  But I heard that it's not a real "control," just "make them leave."

Modifié par royard, 04 mars 2012 - 12:34 .

[G3rman]

It's great you are staying optimistic but the entire point is that Shepard is ascended to a higher level of being within the Citadel, he has no reason nor the will to contact those he once knew. His entire purpose is to be the Guardian, controller of the reapers.

Its your ending to interpret though, they won't resolve it.

Reapers are like geth, they form a consensus among those inside of them. Shepard is just their overarching consciousness and gives them general orders.

And the species of the galaxy will not have reason to stay in contact with one another if all cornerstone technology is destroyed. They will be too busy rebuilding not to mention the FTL eezo cores will need to be refueled and its not exactly the easiest resource to come by. Limited communication at best and who knows how long that will last before the last of the attainable eezo runs out.

[I_Jedi]

royard wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

G3rman wrote...

He's the new Guardian and has control over the Citadel and all of the systems needed to control Reapers. His purpose does not extend past that, that is part of the sacrifice.

Chance for what? Normandy rescue? It could have launched literally anywhere in the galaxy and with most technology destroyed its doubtful they will have the resources and organization to mount a rescue.

A chance to visit Shepard who doesn't even exist in a physical form anymore? Impossible, he's locked up in the citadel quite tightly just as the previous one was and no one will know how to get to him anyway.

No. A chance to reestablish contact with other races.

Also, if the reapers are controlled, then surely he can use some sort of code to communicate?
Morse Code, perhaps?
The Reapers also need some sort of awareness, or they'll always keep bumping into things.

Harby kept on going and going with his rant, I'm sure Shepard will find a way.  But I heard that it's not a real "control," just "make them leave."

Best case scenario:

Make them leave - Make them leave Earth and other places they messed up.

Then Shepard comes up to his LI using a Reaper and says, "I know I'm a Reaper, but I'm still kicking!"

Modifié par I_Jedi, 04 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[AquamanOS]

EDI uploads herself into a body, while still remaining part of the Normandy. Soverign possessed Saren's corpse. Harbinger possesed Collectors through another Collector he was already possessing.

Honestly, if Shepard really really wants to, I'm sure they'll find a way to control some kind of body.

[I_Jedi]

AquamanOS wrote...

EDI uploads herself into a body, while still remaining part of the Normandy. Soverign possessed Saren's corpse. Harbinger possesed Collectors through another Collector he was already possessing.

Honestly, if Shepard really really wants to, I'm sure they'll find a way to control some kind of body.

So technically, Shepard can assume direct control of his corpse like Soveriegn.

[G3rman]

AquamanOS wrote...

EDI uploads herself into a body, while still remaining part of the Normandy. Soverign possessed Saren's corpse. Harbinger possesed Collectors through another Collector he was already possessing.

Honestly, if Shepard really really wants to, I'm sure they'll find a way to control some kind of body.

His consciousness and free will are confined and at worst wiped completely so that he will be a willing Guardian.  To stay sane for an eternity alone within the Citadel he would have to lose his humanity, the thought of otherwise is impossible.

The current Guardian would make it clear he couldn't roam around as its his life's purpose from then on to be the Guardian, something that would require his full attention.

Modifié par G3rman, 04 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[AquamanOS]

If Shepard was wiped completely to be an obidient Guardian, he wouldn't call off the Reapers. He'd act exactly like the other Guardian was. Since Shepard still calls the Reapers off, ignoring the technological sigularity thing that the Reapers were Reaping for in the first place, that heavily suggests that didn't happen.

[I_Jedi]

AquamanOS wrote...

If Shepard was wiped completely to be an obidient Guardian, he wouldn't call off the Reapers. He'd act exactly like the other Guardian was. Since Shepard still calls the Reapers off, ignoring the technological sigularity thing that the Reapers were Reaping for in the first place, that heavily suggests that didn't happen.

And therefore, he can assume direct control of his corpse and walk around. If he can find the normandy, because he has a lot of time on his hands, he can even speak with them then. Dead Saren did in ME1.

[G3rman]

The Guardian has never demonstrated the ability to take control of bodies, not synthetic or organic. Even if Shep had full on Saren/TIM implants only reapers have been shown to have the ability to take control of these beings.

Anything further than that is supposition.

[AquamanOS]

More importantly though, Shepard could order a Reaper to pick up the Normandy crew and bring them back to Earth. Since the Reapers only took about 3 years to travel to Earth from Dark Space manually, it should be theoretically possible to get them back within a decade at least. Even faster if he can get new Mass Relays built. which again, theoretically he can, since the Citadel is intact and he should be able to access how to make them, and can order Reapers to build them;

Assuming Shepard can find them.

[G3rman]

And Assuming Shepard wants to/cares enough to/has the will to.

You are assuming a lot.

[AquamanOS]

Assuming is all we got. The endings are rather vague beyond the immediate circumstances, the reveal that people are still around long after.

Probably intentionally designed that way, so people can just assume what they want, and Bioware only needed to make a few vague endings.

[I_Jedi]

AquamanOS wrote...

Assuming is all we got. The endings are rather vague beyond the immediate circumstances, the reveal that people are still around long after.

Probably intentionally designed that way, so people can just assume what they want, and Bioware only needed to make a few vague endings.

Or we don't have all the information.

Also, guardian controls reapers controls people. Therefore, the guardian controls people.

[AquamanOS]

Maybe I'm just used to JRPG's with vague endings, (to encourage the Fanficers naturally) so just assuming the best and rolling with it doesn't bother me.

[G3rman]

Guardian doesn't control reapers, it just can give them general orders. There is no assuming control of reapers that can be understood.

That is another assumption.