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LilyasAvalon wrote...

Is it murder when you go to war and kill your enemy?

An interesting note from Code Geass. On the street, they put you behind bars for killing a man. On the battlefield, they give you medals.


The problem is that it also murders the geth, even if they're your allies.  Sorry, no medals for that one.

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seirhart wrote...

how is it nutty that shepard is the go to guy/girl on everything, the way I see it is that shepard is well known as a diplomat/bully and that they would much rather deal/negotiate with shepard than some diplomat. It makes perfect since for me, send the one guy/girl who is trying to unite the galaxy to go and settle the disputes that have been festering underneath the surface.


Mostly because, in the face of galactic extinction, the races are putting A LOT of faith in one person -- especially one person who the reapers are now looking out for specifically. 

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Murdering implies killng noncombatants. The Reapers are trying to kill you so Shephard is just acting in self defense.

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Did none of you play the Arrival DLC?

Shepard was a mass murderer well before ME3 ever started.

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seirhart wrote...

how is it nutty that shepard is the go to guy/girl on everything, the way I see it is that shepard is well known as a diplomat/bully and that they would much rather deal/negotiate with shepard than some diplomat. It makes perfect since for me, send the one guy/girl who is trying to unite the galaxy to go and settle the disputes that have been festering underneath the surface.


But that's sort of like saying the galaxy's problems can only be solved by ONE person, and that person of course solves nearly ALL of his/her problems with a gun.

We went through this with Hawke in Dragon Age 2 as well.   These two characters ARE NOT diplomats.  They're cleaners, demolistionists, wetworks specialists.  They deal in carnage and tactics of attrition. 

Now don't misunderstand me, Shepard's galvanizing of forces is what he supposed to be doing, but don't confuse any of that with diplomacy.  And as far as Shepard being the one who decides who lives and who dies in the galaxy........that is just too much of a stretch for the character. 

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Halo Quea wrote...

seirhart wrote...

how is it nutty that shepard is the go to guy/girl on everything, the way I see it is that shepard is well known as a diplomat/bully and that they would much rather deal/negotiate with shepard than some diplomat. It makes perfect since for me, send the one guy/girl who is trying to unite the galaxy to go and settle the disputes that have been festering underneath the surface.


But that's sort of like saying the galaxy's problems can only be solved by ONE person, and that person of course solves nearly ALL of his/her problems with a gun.

We went through this with Hawke in Dragon Age 2 as well.   These two characters ARE NOT diplomats.  They're cleaners, demolitionists, wetworks specialists.  They deal in carnage and tactics of attrition. 

Now don't misunderstand me, Shepard's galvanizing of forces is what he supposed to be doing, but don't confuse any of that with diplomacy.  And as far as Shepard being the one who decides who lives and who dies in the galaxy........that is just too much of a stretch for the character. 



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Of course he's a mass murderer. Although there's no word that can possibly describe the breadth of his crime if he destroys the Reapers, as the eventual Singularity will claim all organic life, probably in the trillions by the time it happens. He has indeed become death, the destroyer of worlds.

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If anything the endings have made Shepard's role in the universe TOO IMPORTANT. It's almost like he becomes the center of galaxy, the taker and/or giver of life. Nothing in the saga really foreshadowed him being THIS important. A key player? Yes, but not the man at the galaxy's end deciding EVERYONE ELSE'S fate.

Despite being resurrected, Shepard's not a particularly enlightened character. This is ironic given all of his involvements with galactic culture/politics, the protheon cipher, and his unexplored after-life experience. I'm not saying he's unintelligent, just that he doesn't quite cut it as the guy who should have access to the "awesome" magic button. lol

But there it is, Shepard is the one who gets to decide who lives, who dies and everything else in between. I personally think that these ending place this character way out of his element.


IDK, They've been doing it since ME1 with the council decision, so it's not too hard to believe.

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stylepoints wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

If anything the endings have made Shepard's role in the universe TOO IMPORTANT. It's almost like he becomes the center of galaxy, the taker and/or giver of life. Nothing in the saga really foreshadowed him being THIS important. A key player? Yes, but not the man at the galaxy's end deciding EVERYONE ELSE'S fate.

Despite being resurrected, Shepard's not a particularly enlightened character. This is ironic given all of his involvements with galactic culture/politics, the protheon cipher, and his unexplored after-life experience. I'm not saying he's unintelligent, just that he doesn't quite cut it as the guy who should have access to the "awesome" magic button. lol

But there it is, Shepard is the one who gets to decide who lives, who dies and everything else in between. I personally think that these ending place this character way out of his element.


IDK, They've been doing it since ME1 with the council decision, so it's not too hard to believe.


exactly this whole thing in my opinion started with the council's decision in making shepard a spectre and turning shepard into this god like being who now has the ultimate power to decide the entire fate of the galaxy and every race in it.

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seirhart wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

If anything the endings have made Shepard's role in the universe TOO IMPORTANT. It's almost like he becomes the center of galaxy, the taker and/or giver of life. Nothing in the saga really foreshadowed him being THIS important. A key player? Yes, but not the man at the galaxy's end deciding EVERYONE ELSE'S fate.

Despite being resurrected, Shepard's not a particularly enlightened character. This is ironic given all of his involvements with galactic culture/politics, the protheon cipher, and his unexplored after-life experience. I'm not saying he's unintelligent, just that he doesn't quite cut it as the guy who should have access to the "awesome" magic button. lol

But there it is, Shepard is the one who gets to decide who lives, who dies and everything else in between. I personally think that these ending place this character way out of his element.


IDK, They've been doing it since ME1 with the council decision, so it's not too hard to believe.


exactly this whole thing in my opinion started with the council's decision in making shepard a spectre and turning shepard into this god like being who now has the ultimate power to decide the entire fate of the galaxy and every race in it.


Lmao!!!

Shepard,  hallowed be thy name
thy kingdom come, thy WILL be done on Earth................ and everywhere else in the galaxy

Oh man, what  a joke this trilogy has become.  

Modifié par Halo Quea, 03 mars 2012 - 10:04 .


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This is like reading the complaints about Arrival and how their precious pure paragons would never kill innocent people. How Bioware forced that choice on us. But never mind the fact that you can sit on your ass and wait for the countdown to finish.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 03 mars 2012 - 10:23 .


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LOLandStuff wrote...

This is like reading the complaints about Arrival and how their precious pure paragons would never kill innocent people. How Bioware forced that choice on us. But never mind the fact that you can sit on your ass and wait for the countdown to finish.


I never understood that criticism. Isn't sacrificing the minority for the greater good of the majority the ultimate Paragon choice? Yes, through his actions thousands perished, but their sacrifice, albeit forced upon them by someone else, gave a chance of survival to billions. To make that choice and live with those consequences would take immense strength.

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LOLandStuff wrote...

This is like reading the complaints about Arrival and how their precious pure paragons would never kill innocent people. How Bioware forced that choice on us. But never mind the fact that you can sit on your ass and wait for the countdown to finish.


Yeah, but if you do the game makes you start over from the last checkpoint, so.... no, no choices there.